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On August 24 2012 09:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If an assassin meets his win condition by being the last assassin standing does the game end or is that player just removed from the game? You thinking of /in-ing? | ||
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I mean, awwwwww. | ||
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ummmmm when is it not time for BM to troll | ||
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On September 01 2012 05:16 strongandbig wrote: yeah and yet somehow town didn't win that game. (hint it's because the "me" was so retarded) just wanted to clarify. i was not talking about myself here. | ||
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That's how 12-hour clocks work. 12:00 to 12:01 AM is the first minute of the day, followed by 12:01, etcetera. | ||
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edit: ooohhh korean time | ||
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On September 04 2012 23:52 Maverick32x wrote: I voted for Matt due to the lying- but I would be curious to hear if he has a defense of some kind?? lol. If matt was going to defend himself he would have said something by now other than "hey guys maybe I'm a VT trying to draw scum shots lol". I've played a bunch of games with Mattchew recently and based on those, I think this is him as scum. For example, if I were going to fakeclaim miller as scum, I would do it very differently. However, you have to remember a couple things about Mattchew: - he's lazy as fuck as scum, except in themed games - he's pretty aggressive as town a lot of the time. The example I was thinking about was from him in TL Mafia LV, where he and I were both town. He lied about taking a shot, and then when I suggested that it made no sense for him to take a scum shot and he might have been vigged, he attacked me like a moron for the rest of the game. Unlike that, in this game his lie doesn't have any follow-up. If it was a planned-out pro-town lie, which I imagine is what he'll pretend it is, he would have been all over the first few people to attack him. Instead he just disappeared. It seems much more likely that what he did was the same thing I did in deathnote - claimed miller without first asking the hosts whether millers are self-aware, and got caught for it. The difference is, I did it in a game with a closed setup. ##vote: mattchew | ||
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On September 04 2012 19:55 Bill Murray wrote: ahhh, man, i just thought I could clear blackmamba and myself via vigilante talk... i just realized MAFIA HAVE A VIG TOO? ASSUMING it's in the game i was looking to see if we had a double lynch, but then i guess i should be just trying to break the setup. it would require people to go out on a limb, and I don't want that yet, so i won't propose any ideas until we have consolidated better current lynch: Mattchew - Reasoning: Claimed a role he can't possibly know he is... 100% logical - 50% he's trolling? doubtful. Positive chance of lynching mafia. If he was blue, I feel like he would have claimed by now. If not, well, he's not playing to the town, and he's showboating... nobody likes a showboat. Maverick had a bad defense of Mattchew's claim. Now, this wasn't just defending Matt for him to build cred, it was defending a claim that any sane person who was a part of this town would be all over. If he's town, I don't want him in lylo. I urge the vig to take action tonight... maybe even an n-word. This guy could easily be a ninjuitsu. awful. Mafia claiming townie is one thing, but who wants to be in a position of the town we are a part of having to let people off.......? weigh in on this theory: townies who are found visiting people as nosy neighbors claim tracker? new FoS presented: Hapahauli. Milton catches him using the word scummy in a way you'd not want to use as town. Admitting something you've done is scummy is one thing, like I did, but the way Hapa used this makes me want to scream scum. His interaction with my 1st suspect Doyouhas is also pretty bad. Doyouhas looks like he is bussing mattchew to me. He tried to get a quick wagon on a good player (me) who is also a policy lynch (i am... i lurk... play scummy as shit as town... etc) seems like something someone would do with a scum agenda. Too long, didn't read: FOS Hap, Mav, DYH from thread prefer to lynch Hap tomorrow ... vig on mav as BlackMamba said Hey BM - are you proposing that nosy neighbors should do this in the future? That sounds like a terrible policy, it basically sets up a free claim for scum who get caught doing scummy stuff - especially for ninjas using their ninja DT checks. | ||
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On September 04 2012 12:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No mafia will shoot a nosy neighbor and any vig who does is stupid, blue trying to look vanilla would claim vanilla. You don't claim miller. Miller is a mafia claim to explain why they do shit at night. Pre claiming is to add "legitimacy to it" On September 04 2012 11:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You can prove I am lying with 1 action. As you have yet to do so (hey its even in the OP to find out how to prove me wrong). You are right, his fakeclaim doesn't prove he is mafia on its own. However, HIM ASKING FOR CLAIMS DOES. Why would a townie fakeclaim and attempt to get all blues to claim ? No townie day 1 should ever be this fuckign stupid. Even if he gets caught as mafia (as I have caught him) had anyone or if anyone proceeds to claim and a bunch of retard blues out themselves mafia is instantly ahead. Use your head DrH. You know how I play and know even as Mafia I don't spout complete bullshit. If I am calling someone out like this I know I am in the right. So in the offchance I am mafia I know hes lying, and as I am town I know hes lying. There is only one way for me to know he is lying given that this is a setup mechanic. Figure out how I know and you then you will know the same thing I do and realize hes fucking lying. One last thing - I wanted to mention some things I saw in BC's filter. Reading through the thread I was pretty confounded by how assertive he was towards DrH, but it makes sense if he was told by Palmar that he couldn't let the thread know Palmar had modconfirmed that nosy neighbors aren't self-aware. The other thing is about the repeated not-reading-mattchew's-actual-post and saying he was trying to get blues to claim. I don't really know what to make of this, other than it kind of shows BC is just skimming. We can pretty safely assume that BC isn't the same alignment as Mattchew, so that means he's probably town unless Matt flips assassin; but this still seems kind of odd to me, especially since the thread wasn't extremely long at the point BC called out Mattchew. I haven't played many games with BC so I don't know whether this is a scum tell for him, or if he's just always lazy as town, but hopefully someone who has played more games with him can drop some meta for us. | ||
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On September 05 2012 02:19 Hapahauli wrote: Don't get why this is suspicious. Did you read anything between those two posts? DarthPunk and BC addressed my question pretty well. Combined with sloOsh's post, I felt that BC's confidence in his read was enough to vote for mattchew (with BC essentially 1-for-1'ing himself and mattchew). actually wait a minute. this is scum logic - only scum makes the argument "X was wrong when he said Y was scum, therefore X is scum." townies are wrong all the time, and they are wrong even when they think they're very right. Why would bc be 1-for-1'ing himself with mattchew? | ||
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On September 05 2012 03:41 Maverick32x wrote: This is a huge red flag to me.... how is that ONLY something that scum does? I agree with everything else you've written.. but using those sort of generalizations really makes me suspicious. Well, it's something that only scum should do. Obviously I'm not speaking in some kind of ontological imperative, I don't magically know that no townie will ever do this. But it's a common scum mindset; "that person was so wrong they must be scum" is a simplistic case and one that is rarely true. There has to actually be some deeper analysis of why the wrongness was a scummy wrongness. Most of the time, people who say "he made a big public case and was wrong therefore scum" are actually thinking "he made a big public case and was wrong, therefore easier mislynch." On September 05 2012 03:39 DoYouHas wrote: Because even after confronted about it BC maintained that he was 100% sure he was right. At that point either BC is lying to the town or Mattchew is. It makes more sense to lynch Matt first (I think slOosh put it best) but if we are all wrong and Matt did end up as a NN (not really a possibility anymore) then we would have known that BC was lying. Not a for sure 1-1, but it would have put BC 1 step from the gallows. I really don't see Mattchew getting out of this lynch. Save the connection analysis until we see his flip. I'm far more interested in interactions not involving Matt currently. Who has just been sliding by? Who has looked awkward in the flow of the discussion? Where is grush? I agree on the connection analysis, but I'm not trying connection analysis here. And BC did say he was 100% sure about the nosy neighbor thing, but that's not what the quote I referred to was about. He voted with BC because BC was confident about mattchew's alignment, not about mattchew being not a nosy neighbor, and he was saying that if mattchew flipped town then BC would be trading his own life. Or at least, that's the impression I got. | ||
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I don't know if this is what he meant, but the not-scumslip way to interpret that statement is that he thinks you're scum and was addressing his comment to you, but was hoping town read his comment also. So I don't think it's a scumslip. That doesn't mean I don't find the rest of his play recently pretty suspicious... | ||
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On September 04 2012 20:59 Hapahauli wrote: I'd like everyone to turn to Miltonkram for straight up lying about post history. This would be the biggest pile of crap I've seen in the thread if it wasn't for the Mattchew fake-claim. Scum coming in late and trying to make the best of a bad situation IMO. At that point in the game, DarthPunk hadn't voted for mattchew yet. DarthPunk never votes until Palmar confirms the lie. Looks like we have scum #2 - using misinformation to make a key component of his "case" stronger. looks like you and me in the thread, toad. You do science, right? You just sitting around taking data too? Anyway, I just reread this post. Thought it was interesting that no one had commented on it yet. I certainly agree that misrepresenting history in posts to make your cases seem stronger is a scummy trait, but I'm not sure if that by itself is enough to call him scum#2 like that. However, given that it's milton's only post, it does draw attention. I'd like to hear something from Milton: - do you still think hapa is scum? - what do you have to say about his accusation that you misrepresented the facts? - do you think he was right or wrong about darthpunk? Does that matter to your read on hapa himself? | ||
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On September 06 2012 01:18 Toadesstern wrote: well 24 out of 25 people agree that Matt needs to die. If that 1 guy telling us Matt is not mafia is right that looks awfully like someone having information he shouldn't have or how in the world is the guy supposed to come to the conclusion that Matt's got to be "not mafia" if everyone else agrees he is.
I don't understand why you differentiate between what we should think of ottox between if matt flips town or third. Why does matt flipping third party make it more likely ottox is scum than if he flips town? I mean, it can't be "because ottox was right," given that his argument makes no sense. | ||
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On September 05 2012 09:38 Gravan wrote: First, the straightforward part. It seems to me that Matt is most likely an assassin, or a very careless player. As many have said before me, there is no case for him to do what he did from a town perspective. To me, it seems that if he were mafia or town, we would likely have seen at least some kind of attempt at an explanation - either to strengthen his fellow mafia by giving them 'towncred' as they jump on his bandwagon or to try to convince us we are making a mistake as a town blue. As an assassin, he could just be seeing his end and giving up - this is of course moot if he decides to put in his piece later. Since he is apparently not a random newbie (who is a random newb, anyway  ?), and clearly likes to be an active player, it shouts assasinto me. Since it is day 1 and we only have so much information, we essentially have to lynch him anyway (even if we were nearly certain he is an assassin. At this time, I'll be throwing my vote his way. The post where I make my comments on the information currently present (as in, not to do with the matt bandwagon) is coming up later. I just wanted to put down somehing somewhat solid so thanI can start to develop a post hostory, watery as it might be. On September 05 2012 13:30 Gravan wrote: This is my fault for wording this sentence poorly. Although I am still leaning towards Matt being an assassin, he certainly looks all kinds of scummy as well. There isn't enough information at this point to lynch someone else - this lynch will, at worst, be neutral. I feel that, unless someone who has better evidence against them comes up (unlikely) we are better off to make this lynch and gain the information (Matt's flip) than sit idle. I am just asserting that I personally think he is an assassin. I'm done on the whole Matt issue now; still working on making my posts more constructive and less parrot-y. If Matt flips scum, Ottox and Toad really need to be looked at. Ottox has been making his bizarre crusade about the potential innocence of Matt, as everyone knows. To me, Toad's last few posts have seemed a little aimless and very personally aggressive with little content. He spends a considerable amount of time shutting down and pointing at Ottox (who is looking obviously scummy or very misguided) in a well written post, then shifts to personal attacks and negligent remarks. Sleep time for me now; I'll actually have some rest by tomorrow and won't be travelling. Gravan, what changed between these two posts? Why did Matt go from being "most likely an assassin" with no scum motivations to his behavior, to being "all sorts of scummy" ? I also reaaaaaallly don't like the "throwing my vote away" comment, but not much more to say about that now. | ||
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