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[TSL] Ro8 Day 2 Preview

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[TSL] Ro8 Day 2 Preview

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August 19th, 2012 12:02 GMT
  • Curious vs Life
  • Keen vs JonnyRecco
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ST_Curious vs ST_Life

kr (Z)ST_Curious < Cloud Kingdom > kr (Z)ST_Life
kr (Z)ST_Curious < Entombed Valley > kr (Z)ST_Life
kr (Z)ST_Curious < Ohana > kr (Z)ST_Life
kr (Z)ST_Curious < Antiga Shipyard > kr (Z)ST_Life
kr (Z)ST_Curious < Metropolis > kr (Z)ST_Life
kr (Z)ST_Curious < Daybreak > kr (Z)ST_Life
kr (Z)ST_Curious < Cloud Kingdom > kr (Z)ST_Life


ZvZ has a reputation of being one of the most unpredictable matchups in Starcraft 2. Matches between team mates also have a reputation of being unpredictable and strange. The Ro8 of the TSL finds itself with a match satisfying both of these. Of course, we’re talking about Curious vs Life, and we would be very surprised if anyone was able to accurately predict what is going to happen.

We’ve already seen Curious’s ZvZ in this tournament, in the Ro32 he dispatched Lalush 3-0 with little difficulty. There isn’t much to read into this series, Curious was expected to be the better player and played like he was. He displayed a very standard Korean ZvZ style during the series. That is, bane/ling into roach/infestor with 10pools sprinkled throughout at critical moments. As there isn't much to read into about this series, we need to dig a bit deeper. A simple TLPD search reveals that Curious is no slouch in this matchup – he sports an impressive 22-9 lifetime ZvZ (that’s a 70.97% winrate).

Looking closer at Curious’s games reveals that he really likes the bane/ling opening system, and almost always tries to make something happen with lings before transitioning to something else. Usually the transition is to roach/infestor but he has gone mutalisks on occasion. The fact that Curious tends to try and make something happen should make this series quite interesting because Life likes to play the exact opposite. Life prefers to take the role of the defender and play reactionary from there. So a major part of this series should be how Life responds to Curious’s early aggression.

Life is no slouch in ZvZ either. He has a 50-18 lifetime record (or a winrate of 73.53%) despite his incredibly different approach to ZvZ. Life is traditionally known as an unorthodox player, particularly after he all killed Liquid` in GSTL last season with unexpected builds and styles. But his ZvZ contrasts greatly with his reputation, preferring to take the match to a macro game and win it from there. While he lost to Leenock in Code A recently, he is still very confident in his ZvZ and that should make the upcoming match very interesting.

Ultimately, this is a ZvZ between teammates so is about as unpredictable as it gets. But our guess is that while some strange things may happen in the early game, the general theme of the games should be Curious taking the initiative and Life trying to defend.

Ro16 in Pictures



MVP_Keen vs d.JonnyRecco



kr (T)MVP_Keen < Ohana > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
kr (T)MVP_Keen < Antiga Shipyard > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
kr (T)MVP_Keen < Metropolis > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
kr (T)MVP_Keen < Cloud Kingdom > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
kr (T)MVP_Keen < Entombed Valley > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
kr (T)MVP_Keen < Daybreak > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
kr (T)MVP_Keen < Ohana > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco


After Major took out Hyun way back in the Ro32 there was one spot in the Ro8 guaranteed to be non-Korean. It has transpired this spot would be the only non-Korean in the Ro8. JonnyRecco has claimed that spot, and is the last bastion of hope for a non-Korean victory in the TSL. The unlikely hero has surpassed all expectations after he qualified for the TSL on points – just – and proceeded to take out Naniwa and Major, two of the strongest non-Korean players in the world.

JonnyRecco now has a chance to etch his name in the history books as he takes on Keen in the last match of the Ro8. JonnyRecco focused on playing long games with Major last week. His plan seemed to be to defend with infestors and ultralisks before making the killing push with brood lords. And well, his plan worked superbly. He was able to defend all of Major’s aggression and drops and subsequently crushed his opponent with his high tech units.

But can JonnyRecco simply transplant this style across to defeat a player like Keen? Keen got to the Ro8 by the skin of his teeth after narrowly edging out Vortix 3-2. Some would say he was lucky to even win the series. Vortix is currently at IEM where he is making a name for himself as one of Europes top Zergs. It’s also worth noting that Vortix is a very adaptable player, one who can play both the macro and aggressive Zerg styles fluently. Keen being able to beat a top Zerg like Vortix (even in macro games) does not bode well for JonnyRecco.

JonnyRecco hasn’t really illustrated much other than sound mechanics and game sense. Whereas Keen has shown he is capable of dealing with whatever is thrown his way, and thus enters the match as the firm favorite. If JonnyRecco can change things up and come to the match with some intelligent builds selected, he might be able to take the series. If he sticks to the same standard style we’ve seen so far, then Keen should be laughing all the way to the semifinals.

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AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 19 2012 12:04 GMT
#2
st team kill... i guess curious>life
keen and jonnyrecco i have no idea
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ArcticRaven
Profile Joined August 2011
France1406 Posts
August 19 2012 12:14 GMT
#3
Funny that you would give the last foreigner Korean flags
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catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3829 Posts
August 19 2012 12:21 GMT
#4
Fourth paragraph: Life "almost allkilled Liquid"? I believe he did.

If I wasnt such a big Life fan I would give Curious the edge, but I trust that with his time in the Startale house Life has refined or gotten rid of his new 10 pool expand that accounts for some of his recent mirror losses.

As for the second match, go recco so we can have another big interview!
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 12:25:26
August 19 2012 12:24 GMT
#5
woot go life! and i guess jrecco haha
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peia
Profile Joined May 2011
Austria51 Posts
August 19 2012 12:37 GMT
#6
oh johnny record evolved to korean? nice
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
August 19 2012 12:49 GMT
#7
What a tragic team kill between Life and Curious.
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LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
August 19 2012 13:18 GMT
#8
Curious > Life (After GSTL season 2 and his match vs. elfi it's hard to bet against Life because he's so awesome, but Curious is just damn good lately, I'd definitely give him spot at top 3 zerg, if not the best right now with DRG NesTea and especially Symbol being pretty mediocre lately)

Keen > Recco

Commander Keen will just simply outclass him. If Keen can beat VortiX, he can beat Recco.
hmm... let's think about it
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
August 19 2012 13:37 GMT
#9
Im sort of hoping this will be Creator or Curious's tournament. Feels like they've been on the fringe of winning a tournament for the past year. Maybe not winning a BIG tournament, but at least one.

Happy if either Keen or Recco make it through.
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soon.Cloak
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States983 Posts
August 19 2012 14:07 GMT
#10
Where's ma protoss? Guess I won't be tuning into this one.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 19 2012 14:34 GMT
#11
ggogogogoog KEEEN!
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SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
August 19 2012 15:04 GMT
#12
Gotta go with Curious! Im rooting or him to take it!
Also Keen>Recco
Gatsbizzle
Profile Joined March 2010
United States132 Posts
August 19 2012 15:51 GMT
#13
Curious over Life probably, and Keen over JRecco. Although it'd always be great to see JRecco keep that foreigner hope alive.

Clicking on the main pic for this article on the main page links to yesterday's TSL4 intro music article (text link in the caption links fine, though).
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 19 2012 17:02 GMT
#14
Go Life and Keen!
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Mario1209
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1077 Posts
August 19 2012 17:21 GMT
#15
On August 19 2012 22:18 LowEloPlayer wrote:
Commander Keen will just simply outclass him. If Keen can beat VortiX, he can beat Recco.

by that same logic, if MajOr could beat HyuN, why couldn't he beat JonnyRecco?
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Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
August 19 2012 17:34 GMT
#16
At First Glance
Part of me realizes sadly the JRecco hasn't won me over, and the players in the tournament at first glance no longer look like they will produce good games at first glance.

Second glance brings something different,

Keen and Sting are both koreans normal followers of the GSL will know and players with a small fanbase and little achievement to their name. Yet, like nearly all korean terrans, they can turn it on. Not necessarily when it counts, but they can activate terran starpower and they seem to have in this tournament.

What should happen, though it doesn't have to

I like seeing protoss succeed. Even more, I like seeing protoss succeed vs terran's that are giving it their all. Every game parting plays vs T is like watching mario beat up bowser(read:How could he lose?).

Creator has a history of being good at PvT, though not in the same vain as Parting. If he can keep his good planning in this tournament and combine it with his good PvT, I would be most entertained to watch something along the lines of a Ro4 with Curious vs Keen and Creator vs Sting, and a finals with Creator vs Keen.

I'm a bad spectator

I'm nearly spoiled by the GSL. Part the reason I watch MLG's is that for some reason Parting vs MKP and DRG vs MKP epic rivalries happen. A finals with JohnnyRecco would have to mean his still increases a lot. A tvz finals with curious vs sting is acceptable. But I don't feel pvz or recco vs t or p as a legitimate finals. If it happens, I'll watch. But I hope not.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 19 2012 17:50 GMT
#17
GO Keen!
Not to sure about Life and Curious. Life is a fun player to watch but Curious is just unbelievably solid :/
Hmmm
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
August 20 2012 04:35 GMT
#18
Johnny boy the last hope of humanity has failed ...oh well at least he put up a good fight so gratz on that.
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