Hi, You should ofcourse claim if you're roleblocked. It's just 100x better to claim in 99% of all scenarios so just do it.

Forumite hit spot on regarding double-lynches and represent my feelings to the letter.

It's playing with fire and scum will make us burn ourselves if they can. Also from experience people get lazy in their accusations and pushes and the discussion will be far worse. Furthermore the longer the game goes the more it generally favors town. We shouldn't aim to shorten it. Especially in this setup where we have a medic.

About using the tracker to claim for effect of innocent child. This will as you say only be valid in the early days before scum might try to counterclaim. While the benefit of this plan is that it will give us a confirmed town (or less likely trade for a mafia) which the mafia might not be able to straight of kill because of a doctor. (If they try we might even get some saves) I think the benefits of having an investigative role is better. But maybe it's just me assuming stuff. I'll try to think about this when I'm not exausted from work.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

August 07 2012 21:24 GMT

#156

Bluelightz, what's the point of having adesignated mafia killer when it's completely uneffected by town roles?

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

August 07 2012 21:26 GMT

#158

On August 08 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote:
I must be missing the bit where it says Tracker/Watcher don't see NK actions. where does it say that?

It's in this post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346#16

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

August 07 2012 21:27 GMT

#159

On August 08 2012 06:21 ShiaoPi wrote:
But stilll there is no need for him to claim. Just with his presence it would let our doc work much easier as scum cannot do too many RB's with his potential check. Do not see the need to lynch both claimers, just evaluate on the claims independently,I dislike both options , whether it is giving it a freepass or lynching.

If the tracker claimes he'll be absorbing roleblocks untill he dies.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

August 07 2012 21:30 GMT

#163

On August 08 2012 06:28 ShiaoPi wrote:
@risk:
It's more the general concept of Hiro to use a tracker claim as means of confirming town that I am against, not against claiming in general, but scum can easily counterclaim so it won't work that way.

Scum most likely won't claim if he does it day 1 or 2.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

August 07 2012 23:38 GMT

#175

On August 08 2012 08:28 Bluelightz wrote:
Agh. Clarifying nao. Watcher tracks everything that visits his target, while tracker tracks role actions. Yes one person can both rb/kill in 1 night

Okey, I'm still not sure but I'm starting to lean that if we have a tracker (which we probably don't have if we're lucky) he should claim. At first I thought hiros suggestion was dumb as crap but thinking about it more and including things that hiro probably didn't even realise I'm starting to feel this might be the best action. I think he should claim Day 3 or preferably during night 2. Just before the daypost. (He could put some effort into making sure he'll be around for that time) but otherwise day 3 will be fine.

thoughts?

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

August 08 2012 11:06 GMT

#200

On August 08 2012 08:47 marvellosity wrote:

Show nested quote +

I think postulating about a setup we only have 1/3 of the time with various unknown lynches/nightkills in the way is quite an unproductive use of thread space. Even in your post you say "for things without Hiro realises" without expanding upon them. Looks like crap designed to spam up the thread.

Well let me explain further what I ment. When hiro first brought up the idea of using the tracker as an innocent child because tracking sucked in this setup, his idea was crap. When I gave it more thought and realising that doing this at a specific time gives us a mid-lategame confirmed townie and a high chance to stop a kp with a medic the idea started to look good. However the idea he explained to us was crap, so no matter where this leads hiro should still be held accountable for proposing a shitty plan.

Last night was a good time to discuss these things marv. You claim I was spamming up the thread when what I was doing was discussiong ideas. Which is infinitly close to scumhunting then what you have been doing. Which is nothing.

Prplhz also have done nothing.

Glad to see we got some scumhunting going. I'll be on later and join the fray.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

August 09 2012 09:52 GMT

#307

Prplhz as people have already pointed out don't play like this as town and I prefer to hang him rather then Forumite.
##Vote: prplhz

Worth to note - Mordanis votes for a a new lynch candidate a couple of hours before the deadline and then says he will go to bed. If he honestly thinks he can get someone lynched on that short notice without staying in the thread absolutely screaming and arguing then I'm a horse. So what I can make of that is Mordanis pretty much doesn't care who dies.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

August 09 2012 15:26 GMT

#345

So do we wan't to kill prplhz or mordanis tomorrow.

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

August 09 2012 16:07 GMT

#347

Forumite. Don't beat yourself up because some scrubs can't tell cowboy play from scum play. Sit your pretty self down and watch me catch the gobbo bastards.