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[G] Belial's Comprehensive Guide to Overlords!

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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 03:39:01
July 20 2012 06:58 GMT
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Hi. I'm a 1500+ Masters Zerg, who also wrote:

  • [G] Belial’s Comprehensive Guide to Everything ZvP!
  • [G] Belial's Comprehensive Guide to Everything ZvT!
  • [G] Belial's Comprehensive Guide to Beating 6 pool!
  • Belial's Guide: How to Build a Budget PC
  • ZvP: Ling/Infestor or: How I Grew to Love ZvP

This is a comprehensive guide on Overlord Paths and Overlord Routes in each match-up! This is just a smaller guide, but I see people ask this question a lot, and it's quite important!


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ZvZ:
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Example replay: Myself vs Ladder

initial - To watch ramp from main and natural of opponent, as well as spot for expo timing, and then for drone counting and gas at the natural (the most important overlord of them all, checking the opponent's natural's drone count is as important as your pool in ZvZ). I hotkey it, and reroute it as necessary on 4 player maps, and so I can get it out of the way quickly if the opponent has a queen around. I position in a place that if a queen comes, it can escape (near a ledge, etc). Once the natural finishes, I will move it to behind the opponent's mineral field, to check his early game drone count. I will put this overlord to watch the mineral line of the opponent to make sure he has 5+ drones immediately after his natural pops, or else he's ling/bane all-inning, and that he makes 16+ drones there by ~50 supply (which is when your natural should be saturated as well, for comparison) or else he's doing a hatch tech roach/ling all-in, and later around 30+ I'll slightly move this hotkeyed overlord to spot for the opponent's gas timing, so I can tell if he's going 2 base muta/infestor (2xGas) or fast third (1 or none of the gas accompanied by full mineral saturation) or roach/ling all-in (no additional gases, very few drones). If he takes 2 gas in natural before 50 supply, it's probably 2 base lair, which you can confirm with you 26 or 32 overlord or a few speedlings and seeing no quick third before 50 supply taken (which is the standard macro based play in zvz these days) You can also poke into the main of the opponent if they go Hatch First, to count his gas and if he makes lings or drones.

9 - I put this on the edge of my creep to watch for spines, then re-route it to in front of the opponent's natural to spot for army move-outs. Once I confirm the opponent is not doing an early pool (either by drone scout or by my overlord), I send it to in front of the ramp of opponent to watch for army move outs. Super important, always do this (put it in front of the ramp, at least, that is). I hotkey it so when my drone scout or overlord arrives to their base, I can send it out asap if they aren't early pooling. It will arrive in time to spot initial lings moving out when I do this. I drone pair my first 16 drones meticulously so I'd rather have the overlord by creep than use a drone to look around at 16 supply. If you want to just send it straight out, that's fine too.

17 - Near opponent's main, also to spot gas (hopefully the opponent takes the other gas as his initial gas, but whatever, I use it to make into an overseer, and spot for lair timings or to poke into his main real quick and pull back before queen kills it, as necessary). Most people use this overlord to put in front of their base to see morphing banes, but my first 2 overlords can see if he streams out lings and it'll be obvious if he's massing lings out front anyways because of the first 2 overlords, and me taking the towers with lings anyways, and with all my overlords moving out over in front of my base. On larger maps you really gotta send it with this overlord if you want to spot for lair timings or roach/ling all-ins, any later of an overlord wont be there in the time to spot quick lair. It's up to you whether you want to send this in front of your base or by the opponent's main.

26 - Opponents third. This is to check for zergs who go fast third before lair (which is standard, but I need to know their timing). On very large maps, like condemned, it wont get there in time if he goes third before lair, but will get there if he goes 2 base lair before third. Very useful overlord imo anyways

32 - Finally, in front of my base. This is when ling/bane comes anyways, so this is why I put it so late.

36 - By my third, to see if he puts a ling there or ling/bane there to deny me when I try to take my third. this helps save a lot of drone losses, really, avoid those obnoxious singe lings killing your drone trying to take a third. I eventually move it up a bit when I take third to see if he morphs banes out front of it to do pressure.

51 - To make into an overseer if I lost one of those initial overlords. Usually to the fourth.

      Additional overlords rallied around my front to make an instant creep highway to connect my natural and third bases, especially if you play a turtle style like mutas or especially infestors, as well as spread some overlords to spot for drops. By this time you can usually tell if he might be going muta or not, which is when I'll start to spread overlords all over the map for vision.


ZvT
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Example replay: Myself vs Ladder

initial - Watch for him taking his natural, then re-route to spot for army movement (Cloud Kingdom)or to sac into the main (Daybreak).

9 - Make sure he isn't making a bunker at my natural, eventually move it to somewhere to sac into his main later on. Have to take outer routes but it will arrive in time to sac at 40+. I hotkey it so I can do this on the fly as I micro drone pairing, putting down a pool, etc. It's best to put this overlord slightly forward, that way you can see if an SCV comes into your natural suspiciously, as well as Terran's who make a bunker a little bit out (which can really suck on maps like Daybreak - you try to kill a bunker building SCV only to find out a bunker is already done behind it). I also recommend you queue a route to the natural to make sure he didn't do anything like send an SCV or two right when the game starts to make stuff in your base (Belshir can be nasty for this, and MMA did this famously against MVP on Daybreak in the Blizzcon Finals). In order to get in position to sac into terran's main, you will have to send this overlord as soon as you realize he isn't bunker rushing (if you drone scout, make sure to take a route that the opponent's SCV would approach, like the opposite path on Daybreak that your worker would naturally incline towards if you just click the opponent's base, that way you can rule out an SCV in your base and just send it right away). If you keep this overlord by the natural to spot for bunkers, you will need to take a long, out of way route to make sure Terran doesn't run into it. However, you are safe to send this overlord straight by Terran's main on most maps if you send it directly after spawning, and use a well routed drone scout to make sure no bunkers are building, as well as sending your 16 drone down to your natural to make sure no SCV is down there (it is extremely important to sac an overlord into Terran's main, so the ~15 minerals you lose checking for bunkers manually with a drone, is definitely worth it, and you can use this drone to look around for proxies as well).

17 - Takes a very long route to spot for Terran's third, or to put in a cute location to spot army movement (like on daybreak, that fan at the outer ramp to natural).

26 - Terran's third or just an inconvenient location in general, that would be a good spot for an overlord.

32 - My third, to make sure he isn't putting a bunker or ebay block down there

      All future overlords rallied as eggs to spot for drops. By the time dropships come out, I have full vision around my base. Nestea is particularly good about this - if you are good with this, you will never need overlord speed, and should have full, complete coverage of the map by the time dropships are out, because you had overlords as early as in the 30's going all the way around the edges of the map to spot for incoming drops in distant corners.


ZvP
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Example Replay: Myself vs Ladder

initial - Where toss puts his natural, slightly to see up ramp too. Spots for FFE or if he's opening gateway first at the top of his ramp. Also to spot his timing of gateway, forge, cybernetics core, gas in natural, if he chronos, if he is making a zealot (cyber isn't done) or is making a stalker (gateway is chrono'd when cyber is done). Not like he can kill it for a long time, then I move it to over his natural's gas, out of range, when cybercore completes. If toss is opening 1 base, this overlord will spot if he expands on time (by 5:31) or as a follow-up to the opener (if he 4 gated, if you 7 pooled vs FFE, etc), as well as make sure he doesn't do a Nexus cancel.

9 - Watch my natural for cannons, when natural pops or my first queen is done (I inject in main, make another queen, then a-move it to my natural, inject will pop same time as 2nd queen made in main pops, this is also to prevent him from sneaking a probe around and into my base or to cannon my natural when my lings chase his first probe and check for pylons at my third). Like in ZvT, you may want to queue a route so that it spots if Toss throws down a cheeky pylon in your main when he comes in and acts like nothing happened (Ohana can be nasty for this).

17 - Rallied to a spot to sac at Toss' main, to see what his follow up is to his expansion.

26 - Toss' third. Spots for super fast thirds that don't make sense, and to put down creep against standard thirds. If you find out that toss took a 6:00 third when his 2 cannons are already done, it's too late, you lose. So a very important overlord.

32 - Put it somewhere by my third to spot for super popular pylon placements (ie on Shakuras, at the fourth by that ledge overlooking third, or on Ohana, by the fourth in the nook where they put the pylons, or on Daybreak, at the fourth again, at the nook they put pylons at).

36 - By a cliff in my main to make sure he doesnt do that thing where he warps into your main with a pylon on the low ground using air units, observer, warp prism, etc. Suuuper important on maps like Antiga where they just always do that.

      Next overlords are just sent around my main and third to make sure his warp prism doesnt fly into my base undetected, if he does something like that. Basically like zvt, to spot for drops, but not as much because of void rays, I usually send a lot of them to spew creep in front of my bases and connecting my bases, as I don't use creep tumors in zvp, yet my creep spread is just as strong. Instacreep is sooo amazing, by the 15:00 mark I have a little banked energy on queens from slightly late injects that suddenly I have 3 tumors that are very far out and active.


Overlord Sacrifice Timings
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Of course, you never want to lose your overlord, so try to be cautious and just poke in at first. Buildings, especially ones that aren't yet complete, do not have the same range as an overlord, so you might be able to spot that starport with a tech lab without losing the overlord. If you have 2 overlords, like one from the natural, this becomes much easier to do.

ZvZ: In the other 2 match-ups, overlord sac'cing is the only way to glean what the opponent is doing, but in ZvZ, you can completely figure out what ythe opponent is doing by seeing the opponent's gas count at his natural, his drone count at the natural, and with speedling run-ins to see if he made roaches or a lair. Overlord sac'cing isn't as game deciding in ZvZ, it's pretty obvious he's going 2 base lair if he takes gas, or if he's taking a third because there's a freaking hatchery at his third. But sometimes you might want to know his lair timing, like if you are wondering if he's doing the same thing you are (2 base muta or 2 base infestor) and so you want to make sure how your lair timing compares to his, or maybe what his follow-up is to his aggression earlier on. But same time that you would go lair on 2 base or take a third if you are going standard play, is when you might want to poke into his main. The overlord by the natural seeing his drone count and gas count at natural is really, much more important. This overlord is really sent compared to what you could do, and what you need to know to do what you want to do (ie you plan to go fast third before lair, but quick mutas are something that can give you a lot of trouble). In short, 40+.

ZvT: Sac an overlord at 40+ into main. If you explicitly do not see a 1 rax FE on the low ground, CC First on the low ground, or reactor hellion on the low ground by 30, then poke in at 30. You should know by 30 that terran expanded though. 40+ is when starport for banshees is started, so sac'cing it at 30 sucks but sometimes you have to do it. Terrans rarely not put a CC on the low ground at all though, and if they do it's their loss.. soo... 40+ supply, 30+ if you aren't sure Terran expanded.

ZvP: 7:00+ vs FFE. Against Gateway Expands, sac it around when the Nexus finishes, to see what their follow-up is, if you haven't figured it out already (such as mass gates as part of the wall-off, or his army standing behind the main wall-in and you poking with speedlings, checking).


Side Notes
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  • Hatcheries have a sight range of 10, but creep extends to 11. Overlords, meanwhile, have a range of 11 (as does Lair). Despite this, I'd recommend that if you put an overlord to spot for morphing spines in ZvZ in your own base, put it near the edge by the ramp, so it can spot if a drone comes in. Leaving it just centered on a hatch won't tell you if a drone suspiciously came in that may be what you would want to know about in order to prepare for that 6 pool. Besides, your drones mining the minerals will grant vision of the other side of the Hatchery.

  • On every ladder map but the larger 4 player maps (depending if you know where the opponent spawned, if you drone scout, and where he actually spawned), in ZvP you can send your overlord straight to behind the Toss' natural, since they need a cybercore to shoot up and cannons won't be done to shoot your overlord and if you hotkey it you can just move it as necessary.

  • You don't need to be pro at counting drones in ZvZ, just as you drone up yourself, look at your natural mineral field. Then look at his. If his looks much more empty compared to yours, freak out!

  • I hotkey my first 2 overlords, since I move them somewhere, then re-move them a lot (to toss natural with overlord, then to get out of range of cannon, then to get out of range of a stalker). You aren't using most of your hotkeys in the early game, so do this. For example, I always hotkey my initial overlord on both 3 (scout, flying) and 6 (research abilities). What this means is I naturally use 3 as it's my scouting hotkey, but when I send a drone scout, I put that on 3, but I still also have that overlord on 6, the hotkey I normally use for spawning pool in the early game and later evos/spires (1 is used up by my 9 overlord, 2 is used up by my 14 drone that I use to plant a pool, or to make into my natural with hatch first after it's specifically mined a single time, since I drone pair meticulously and dont want to pull any of the other drones that are paired on good patches, 4 is used up on drones to follow a probe and queens, so thats why its that way). You should do this too, you aren't going to be using your infestor hotkey anytime soon, might as well put your 9 overlord on it for the time being.

  • ZvT - on Daybreak you can safely send it to the Terran's gases, and around the back, to spot for expansions and come out of the inner side of his main to sacrifice, after spotting for his natural timing and 1 rax FE, of course. A lot of zergs put it by that vent by ramp to natural, which I do with my 3rd overlord going around the edge, avoiding the major pathways. On cloud kingdom, I send my 9 overlord, after spotting for my natural, straight up along the edge, then cuts an angle after the xel naga tower toward terrans main to sac. It's very rare he is killed, and with your initial overlord, you'll know to make lings to kill the marines as you'll see them move out at a time they really shouldn't. On Ohana, you can safely rally to Terrans natural gases, then behind the natural to that nook between main and natural. He may shoot at it with his first marine, but it's rare they will send a marine there to spot for it because it's out of vision of the CC building SCV, and that marine won't take it below half health anyways. You could also send it straight there, but that'd risk terran knowing it's there, although every terran should know that it's there, for some reason they don't.

  • ZvZ you can position your overlord in a spot between the 2 ramps from main to nat to spot for natural timing and ling moveouts and 1 base play and be safe from queens, if you position it right. On maps like daybreak, put it slightly be the edge so when the queen chases it, it will get away safely.

  • On 4 player maps, it's especially important you hotkey your first 2 overlords, so you can re-direct them as necessary when you find out where the opponent spawned. You may also change the order, for example, if you find out that Terran is on the opposite side, simply send that initial overlord across the map to the backside of his main, since it's far from the route he'd travel to check out your base, and the 9 overlord to his natural, since it's obviously closer to it and you need to know that asap.

  • ZvZ, there are many ways to send your overlord, and crossing paths give your opponent just as much information as you do, so depending on what build you do, you might not even want the opponent knowing where you spawned, or if you do a very greedy/aggressive opening, you may need to know asap. You may rather send your initial overlord through the center of the map on 4 player maps, and then re-direct it to the base he's at based on your drone/ling scout, instead of a 1/3 chance to get it right, which would, on the whole, result in your overlords being closer, sooner, or you can send it by the most popular route (close by air), and rule out that that's where he spawned if you don't meet an overlord halfway.

  • On maps with 2 possible spawns (no close spawn), if you don't meet an overlord halfway, you can assume the opponent is at the other spawn - send the overlord to the ramp of the other base immediately. On 4 player maps, you can effectively rule out that the opponent spawned close by air (the most popular way to send an overlord on 4 player maps) if you don't meet an overlord half way, to which I'd recommend sending it in between the 2 other possible locations, of which you'll figure soon enough.



Pictures
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Yellow lines for routes, Red boxes for stop points, Stars for other, noteworthy places to eventually put an overlord

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ZvT:
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If you want to do it differently, that is more than fine. There are many ways to send overlords, it's up to you, but this is how I do it. Instead of explicitly drawing out each map, this guide hopefully tells you the goals of each overlord, and you should be able to figure out a path safe for every overlord on your own as new maps are released. Like my other guides, this guide talks about what is standard, but unlike the other guides, this guide is a little bit more my opinion than what is accepted as standard by everyone - although you will find that there is no great guide on overlords out there (except now, this one), yet almost every pro player takes the same routes and ends up with their overlords in the same spots - it's for a good reason, because everyone independently realized what they needed to know.
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ZeroClick
Profile Joined March 2012
Brazil63 Posts
July 20 2012 07:54 GMT
#2
Really, really wonderful, thank you! But, IMHO, you must rename the OP to

[G] Belial's Comprehensive Guide to Overlord Placement!

or

[G] Belial's Comprehensive Guide to Overlord Scouting!

"Guide to Overlords" --- I thought about Overlord drops, creep spreading or when morphing to Overseers, etc...
killahertz
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland2 Posts
July 20 2012 07:59 GMT
#3
A very nice writeup, with a slightly different approach than Apollo's coverage of the topic in the "Learn to Play" series. Thanks for that and keep those guides coming
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
July 20 2012 08:04 GMT
#4
O yeah, if it's going to be the comprehensive guide to overlords you should do all the things ZeroClick mentioned! Do it! So much more comprehensive....

. Thanks for all the info. Good advice for those that don't know.
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Shaoer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States60 Posts
July 20 2012 09:04 GMT
#5
This is an amazing thread! I do have one question though, what if terran goes for a fast viking and clears out all your overlords around the map, without speed your ovies will be dead and gone. It happens to me and I end up just not spreading overlords at all in ZvT(or ZvP/ ZvZ when they go void/mutas)
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mathemagician1986
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany549 Posts
July 20 2012 09:15 GMT
#6
On July 20 2012 15:58 Belial88 wrote:
[*] You don't need to be pro at counting drones in ZvZ, just as you drone up yourself, look at your natural mineral field. Then look at his. If his looks much more empty compared to yours, freak out!


why didn't I think of that? incredibly helpful!
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
July 20 2012 18:27 GMT
#7

Really, really wonderful, thank you! But, IMHO, you must rename the OP to

[G] Belial's Comprehensive Guide to Overlord Placement!

or

[G] Belial's Comprehensive Guide to Overlord Scouting!

"Guide to Overlords" --- I thought about Overlord drops, creep spreading or when morphing to Overseers, etc...


Thanks, but it doesn't fit
I think my only possibility was to to [G]Belial's Comprehensive Guide to Overlord Paths! but I need a space after the [G], as all my other guides do and it looks better. If someone is trying to google or tl search for it, the content is in the post.

A very nice writeup, with a slightly different approach than Apollo's coverage of the topic in the "Learn to Play" series. Thanks for that and keep those guides coming


Thanks.

O yeah, if it's going to be the comprehensive guide to overlords you should do all the things ZeroClick mentioned! Do it! So much more comprehensive....

. Thanks for all the info. Good advice for those that don't know.


lol. I pretty much say all needed to know, you dont need someone to tell you to get drops or overseers. I do wish there was one more character space in thread titles ;/

This is an amazing thread! I do have one question though, what if terran goes for a fast viking and clears out all your overlords around the map, without speed your ovies will be dead and gone. It happens to me and I end up just not spreading overlords at all in ZvT(or ZvP/ ZvZ when they go void/mutas)


Well, you can start overlord speed if it's a really large map and you really need those overlords out (terran is going bio, you sent out your overlords really really far out, etc) and it should be done before he really kills more than 2 overlords. If you go mutas, they should be out before he really kills too many overlords as well. On certain maps, like shakuras, yea that can be a pain, but just pull them back, it takes a while for a single viking to kill an overlords so it won't be bad, just wait it out and try to move away any overlords that are close by.

But don't let a single possible viking discourage overlord spreading. Vikings really don't do much on most maps, your mutas will be out in time, or you can start overlord speed if you went infestors and can't quite get over there, they are quite slow by the time he kills 2 overlords you'll have your tech out.

As for void rays, that shouldn't be a big deal because with the overlord routes I suggested, you aren't having a ton of overlords all over the map, and you can tuck them away (ie overlord at Toss' third, oh shit a void ray, go move him into the corner of the map for safety). As for mutas, the routes I gave in ZvZ are in such a manner that you really won't have a million overlords all over the map by the time you can scout to see if the opponent is going 2 base lair or not. If the opponent is going 2 base lair (lots of drones at nat, 2xgas taken at nat is the dead ringer for it though, no third taken, spines thrown up at natural), then you might want to worry about 2 base muta and be a bit cautious, and do some follow up scouting (does he have any roaches yet, does he have a double evo or not, etc).
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