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Belial88
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Last Edited: 2011-03-30 11:47:05
March 24 2011 08:28 GMT
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Belial's Awesome Starcraft 2 Budget PC Building Guide (for under $400!)

The key to building a PC is buying smart, and here I will teach you how to evaluate every component so you can do that. Too often I see advice saying "SPEND MONEY" but not understanding why; just as a caveman thinks, 'it works'. This guide is focused on Starcraft 2 performance, but will work well for any game out today. You don't need to be a PC guru to build a PC, the hard part is that the information does not exist all in one place and that hardware is constantly outdated.

However, don't turn away rich kids - I will tell you how to build a great system for cheap, not because we are skimping, but because we know what we need. By knowing that your system doesn't need as much power, or that SLI is stupid, or that despite having 2400mhz RAM, or that SC2 only needs a dualcore, we can save a lot of money.

There are 7 parts to this guide, for each component. I will tell you what you need for an amazing Starcraft2 Computer, what you get by spending less or more, and what you need to look for when you buy each component, in terms of quality, performance, and reliability. This system should be able to play all games out today pretty comfortably, but is intended for the budget builder to play SC2. I also assume basic accessories like monitor, keyboard, and mouse are already had, as this guide is aimed towards those who are unable to play SC2 at the moment, looking to upgrade, or do not have a PC but want to play SC2 - not to mention there are much better and in-depth guides on such parts elsewhere. Also, the technical information in this guide can be applied to a PC build of any kind, and knowing what you need versus what may be a good value or be just getting the best when you don't know what you need, can save you a lot of money. Note this guide is written with many components bought in America, so the specific recommended parts and brands may not be compatible for those outside the US, but the information contained herein will be useful to anyone so they know how to buy what they need.

The CPU
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Starcraft 2 is a CPU intensive video game, compared to the majority of games which are GPU intensive (think Halo, Crysis, Bioshock). As such, this is where you want to spend your money, if anywhere - although the way the market is right now, there is really only 2 or 3 choices. This may be in contrast to most gaming computers, where you generally want to spend a little more on the GPU instead of the CPU. At the moment, Intel chips are a little too expensive to be worth it if you are just playing Starcraft 2 - so although there is no argument they are the best, the Athlon II series is the best value today for the budget minded and the SC2 gamer.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/starcraft-ii-radeon-geforce,2728.html
This article will explain a lot, but the summation is that SC2 is optimized for dualcore @ 3ghz. See, when a game is made, it is made with the specs in mind of when they began designing the game - usually this is 2 to 5 years. So, when a game is released, you could say it is already 'outdated' from a hardware perspective. This is good news for the budget builder, as many good options exist today.

The minimum CPU you want to play SC2 with no problems is a Dualcore 3.0ghz, or an Athlon II X2 Regor. SC2 gains a huge boost from single to dual core, an insignificant boost from dual to tri, and an even more insignificant boost from tri to quad. SC2 likes cache space, but an L3 cache will only yield about 0.3ghz performance boost, so you can usually find an Athlon II with no Level 3 cache memory that's much faster, for cheaper. In short, there is no reason to buy a CPU with level 3 cache memory (also note, not all Phenom's have L3 cache, which is kind of a sketchy marketing trick by AMD as that is the only difference between the 'flagship' Phenom II and the Athlon II).

I recommend, however, that if you want to spend money anywhere, spend an extra ~$15 to get the Athlon II X3 450 (or 440, 445). With the Athlon II X3 450, you will be able to play everything on Max settings, with no problem ever (I will discuss overclocking at the end). Basically, you can justify an extra core to be about 0.5ghz in speed added, although this isn't exact considering SC2 is optimized for only dualcore and that speed vs core count affects performance differently, so just take it as a rough estimation.

The Athlon II X2 Regor is about $60, and the Athlon II X3 Rana is about $79 or less depending on the speed. The next best AMD chip, a Phenom X4 is about $125, meaning about $40 for just an L3 cache, or roughly 300mhz increase in speed, which is a pretty bad speed to price ratio, and the Intel I3-2100 is just a better buy at the same price. Considering that the Athlon II series will play Starcraft 2 at max settings, there isn't a Starcraft 2 reason to pay the price premium. In short, an Athlon II is the best. There are many articles out today saying the Athlon II X3 450 is the best deal CPU for the money today as well.

The Motherboard
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crappy taiwanese Orkos electrolytic capacitors, no wonder they blew out. Many of today's motherboards have these, even 'high end' ones, on where it counts, the VRM, so be careful when you buy! Even the motherboard I have, has them, although not on the VRM where it counts.

What many people fail to understand is that as the PSU is important for supplying power to the system, the motherboard is just as important as supplying power to the CPU. This is so important, and we will save this for last in this section.

Least importantly, make sure everything fits. There really isn't much to this.

First, make sure the Motherboard has at least one PCI-Ex16 (key word x16) slot for a GPU video card. SLI/Crossfire, NVidia and Radeon's take on using multiple graphics cards, are stupid. Plain and simple, there is no reason to do it for the budget, or rational, PC builder. You do not get a 200% performance, you generally get somewhere between 110% to 160%, the average around 140% (according to most review sites). The extra heat can cause your system to slow down as increased heat over a certain point, generally regarded to be around 60*C, causes system parts to slow down, and the extra power you will need to invest in a heavier PSU will make the price not worth it compared to single card solutions. You may think you may one day use it, when you can get a 2nd outdated, old card to go with your outdated single card - this is stupid, just sell your card and get a single, better card. In 2 years, when you think of doing Crossfire/SLI, cards 2x the performance will drop in price to be more affordable and a better solution.

Second, the Northbridge. This isn't important anymore considering that CPU's today now have the Memory Controller built into them, talking directly to the RAM as opposed to before. The only reason to pick one Northbridge over another is if you're interested in overclocking. The difference between most northbridges is if they can support a GPU (revealed by a PCI-Ex16 slot) and if they can overclock (usually made obvious by details on the motherboard page). Generally, motherboard companies understand that people buying just the motherboard for building a PC like to overclock, so you probably won't have a situation where the motherboard that can overclock is cheaper than one with a northbridge that can't.

Third, the form factor. Make sure it fits your case - if the Motherboard is ATX, make sure the case is ATX or bigger. You can search this, but it's pretty straightforward. The only difference in Micro-ATX motherboards is they are smaller, generally, this means less RAM slots and less PCI-E slots. As long as it has a single PCI-Ex16 slot, and 2 RAM slots, that is all you need. There is only so much RAM you need these days, and 2 slots is more than enough. I already talked about PCI-Ex16 slots. In short, there is no reason to avoid Micro-ATX, if you so happen to find a good deal on it.

Unfortunately, many motherboard reviews online are extremely unreliable. This is because they review a board based on silly things like how many SATA or USB ports it has (which you can expand yourself), the design (a smart builder can hide any cable), how it looks even, or the chipsets (which don't matter if your getting a GPU anyways). What they fail to take note of, is how quality and reliable the motherboard is, as anyone can make a motherboard with holes that connect to things and advertised as having so many functions, but would blow out immediately due to bad quality (something that happens all too commonly). So if you are reading a review for a motherboard, make sure they talk about the VRM in-depth.

So back to what's important on a motherboard: The Voltage Regulator Module (VRM, or sometimes addressed as the MOSFETs, a type of chip used on it). Sound complicated? It's because it is! This is what supplies a delicate amount of Power Width Modulation to your CPU in bursts of 12v based on binary demands of the CPU, which is controlled independently on each channel by a mosfet driver transistor, which is then linked to a set of capacitors. Huh?

So you need to make sure that your motherboard can support your CPU. Do not just look at the details page, as it can be misleading. When people say their motherboard 'fried', they generally mean their VRM fried out.

This link is great for seeing what a motherboard is rated to support:
http://www.overclock.net/amd-motherboards/946407-amd-motherboard-power-phase-list.html

Generally, dual or tri core CPU's have a THERMAL DESIGN POWER (TDP) of 95w, and quadcores have a TDP of 125w. When you overclock or unlock, this power need goes up.

If you plan to go quadcore or overclock, or both, you need to have a quality board. First, most importantly, you need multiple channels. This can be indicated by the number of square blocks with a few letters on them. The channels are usually referred to as "X+1" which means CPU Power + CPU-Northbridge Power. 3+1 you should avoid completely, 4+1 is okay, and 8+2 is great. Secondly, you need "Ferrite" Chokes - which are square blocks - don't consider anything else. If you don't see square blocks, you don't see a motherboard. Third, you want 'Solid Capacitors" - make sure the cylinders by the VRM are, well, smooth and 'solid', and not 'wrapped' (understandable when you look at a motherboard). Third and a half, by the way, IF you have electrolytic capacitors, the kind that are 'wrapped' and not 'solid', you want to make sure they are Japanese - again, beyond the scope of the thread, but just search the words on the the capacitor to see the brand; for some reason Japanese capacitors are very high quality but Taiwanese and Chinese are crap. Fourth, you want those little chipsets, or MOSFETS, to have 4 'legs' instead of 3 'legs' with the center one cut (a feature of efficiency known as RDS on). Fifth, a board that uses an 8 pin power supply port is better than one that uses 4 pins. Sixth, you want your motherboard to have only two mosfet 3 or 4 legged chips instead of 3 identical mosfet chips per channel - this is because cheap motherboards will use a 3rd mosfet chip instead of a 3rd, different chip called a "mosfet driver" to handle the voltage flow on the mosfet chips. You can usually identify Mosfet driver chips as the 8 legged chipsets, and even the cheapest boards have a single driver at the 'bottom' of the VRM. Finally, a heatsink on the VRM is important.

You can add a few of these up to make an acceptable motherboard, but if your motherboard of choice is "no' to most of these, avoid it. The difference is that certain VRM's run hotter or cooler, and some handle heat better or worse. All the quality in VRM comes down to how hot they run and how they deal with the heat.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Everything-You-Need-to-Know-About-The-Motherboard-Voltage-Regulator-Circuit/616/1
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The squares are called chokes, and in this case are 'ferrite' - good. The cylinders are capacitors, and in this case 'solid' - good. There is only 5 chokes, so it's probably 4+1 channels as opposed to 8+1 - not good. The mosfet chipsets, or those flat computer chips, have 3 legs with the center cut instead of 4 - not good. To be depth and technical and beyond the scope of this thread, the mosfets are Nikos, which are horrible and no wonder no one likes MSI motherboards and they blow out all the time - not good. No heatsink - not good. 4 Pin white power supply port instead of 8 pin - not good.

Also, avoid MSI motherboards. They have horrible quality VRMs. You can actually just look at pictures of them and, using the information described here, realize they are overpriced and dangerous.

If you do not plan to overclock/unlock, do not worry, just get what you can afford (provided people aren't saying they blow out at the time when you look up the board online with the word "fried"). If you are pro like me, you can attach heatsinks to your motherboard or even replace your mosfet chipsets with soldering, along with spot cooling. But generally, try to at least get 4+1 with solid capacitors, and if you are a genuine overclocker, get a board with 8+2 or heatsinks. You can also just buy copper 'chipset' heatsinks for $8 along with thermal tape, and attach them to the heatsinks, and getting a 'Spot Cooling' fan, or jerryrigging one, will do wonders to cool a VRM. This following forum page talks a little about VRMs, what they mean to you, and also lists a great number of testimonials - so while this section may be a bit over your head, simply search and see if your motherboard is on the list. If it isn't, that's a good thing. If you had your eyes set on an MSI 870A-G54, then maybe all these people saying it blew out on them at stock settings may make you realize it's a crappy board, and hopefully you'll take the time to understand this section of my guide and realize how important it is.
http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/943109-why-vrms-big-issue-why-choose.html

In my case, I bought an Athlon II X3 + Biostar A770E3 combo. My mobo has 3+1(bad), Ferrite chokes(good), solid capacitors(good), 3 legged mosfets with no RDS on(bad), 4 pin PSU port (bad), and no 8 legged mosfet chip driver but a 3rd 3 legged mosfet chip (bad), with no heatsink, suffice to say, even though it's 'rated' to be okay for 125w/quadcores, it's probably not advisable to do so. I sawed up an old heatsink and taped it on to help, but if my motherboard blew out I wouldn't be surprised. The price was good and I didn't know better at the time.
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my custom VRM heatsink

The GPU
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Now, SC2 is CPU limited - but if your PC can play at minimum settings but struggles at higher settings, that is because of the GPU. This may sound obvious, but when you go for higher graphics settings, that is all on your GPU. Now if you struggle at low settings, that is a CPU issue.

It is recommended to have at least 30FPS in Starcraft2, since it isn't as intense as first person shooters. However, we want at least 45FPS, and 60 average FPS is indicative of a system that may have a lot of headroom. GPU's tend to show their strength in their minimum FPS in SC2 though, and at key moments it's important this doesn't dip too low. Since this is a budget build, we are assuming a resolution of around 1600 pixel width or lower, but if you have a high resolution (think 1080 or 1900 pixel width) than you should assume a graphics setting lower for each card described below with the exception of the 460 except in the most extreme custom games.

The best card out for the money today is the GTX 460 768mb, no argument about it. Having 1GB or more of VRAM is unnecessary, as Starcraft2 Ultra only uses 512mb and Extreme, which only applies in single player and is insignificant, will still look good on 768mb. Note that VRAM is simply a matter of having enough, just like RAM, and the only reason some higher VRAM models perform better is because they usually have a higher, or 'wider' bus bit - in effect, buying a GPU with a higher bus bit vs an identical model with a lower bus bit means better performance, irregardless of the VRAM (unless the game actually requires more VRAM - in the case of SC2, 512mb is all you need). I've seen this at $95 (that same card is back to $150 now) but you can get an MSI 460 for $126 right now. This is a relatively powerhungry card. However, it is complete overkill for SC2, and is so strong it will get slightly bottlenecked by the Athlon II series. Get this if you can afford it, no doubt, otherwise we have 3 other players:

GT430 - a pretty bad card, relatively, but if you can find this in a combo with a decent PSU, Motherboard, or anything, and have the relative price of this card at under $30, it's a great contender. It will play Medium at around 1600 pixel width resolution.

Radeon 4830 - this card will play on High settings at around 1600 pixel width resolution, and at around $60, probably the best deal if your budget is extremely tight.

Radeon 4850 - at around $80, this is probably the best card to get not just for a budget build, but for any computer made just for Starcraft 2. This card can arguably play on all settings maxed, with a sacrifice in a few settings only if you play at higher resolutions. If you are playing at around 1600 pixel width resolution or lower, this card will be the best choice if your budget isn't dire.

Here, a great article benchmarking all of today's GPUs in relative performance. The above tomshardware article is useful too.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html


Note, that while the Radeon 5670 and 9800 GT comes highly 'recommended' as budget cards, the 4850 is a much better card at a lower price, and the 460 is a much better card for slightly more. While the 5670 is 'newer' the 4850 is just more poweful and SC2 is an 'old' game. Generally Radeon cards run much cooler, quieter, and less power-hungry than their Nvidia counterparts, and are generally 'better' budget cards, NVidia is generally 'better', and the 460 is such a beast at such a low price today.

Also note that resolutions impact framerate more than settings do. If you are playing at 1080, you may need the GTX 460 for max or only high on the 4850. If you are reading this guide, you probably aren't playing on 1900x1080 resolution (on the other hand, theres no reason this article isn't for rich people - going anything above this guide's maximum recommendations is overkill for SC2). Also note that you need to play on your monitor/TV's native resolution. Screens/resolutions/monitors are beyond the scope of this thread, as you probably have one anyways, but besides the fact resolution is about the 3rd or 4th most important thing (read: not most important) on a screen, playing above the number of pixels your monitor actually has may look nice by making things look small, but is really just reducing picture quality.

While Starcraft 2 does not have in-game anti-aliasing, you can get 'forced' anti-aliasing (AA) from Nvidia cards, which apply AA to anything shown on the screen. It's a nice effect that you probably won't notice, and eats up a huge amount of resources. Just something you may want to take note of.

Finally, I want to stress this: the difference between medium and Ultra, is it really worth a price premium to you?
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Note that it's pretty much impossible to try to figure out how well a GPU performs by comparing specifications like stream processors, as a multitude of specifications work together to provide better or worse performance. As such, this section will be horribly outdated pretty soon, as not only new GPUs come out but price changes in the market. You can use the GPUs listed here and compare their performance via the Passmark GPU benchmark link bolded above to GPUs that may become attractive in the future, and see what the expected performance will be.

The RAM
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Memory is simply a matter of do you have enough, or not. Benchmarks have shown that the difference between the fastest, $250, overclocked RAM and simple 1066 RAM is less than 10% (money better spent on the CPU or anything else, really). 2GB will be able to play SC2, but you will need to close out everything, and 4GB will be enough to play SC2, stream, have multiple browsers, download, play music, and run a movie at the same time. There's no reason to get more.

When shopping, look at the price of 1GB, 2GB, and 4GB models. Sometimes getting a single, bigger RAM is cheaper than less, multiple RAM, which seems counterintuitive.

Of course, DDR3 is the only choice today.

Also, AMD system prefer 'tighter', or lower timings, as opposed to speed in mhz, so do not get caught up in 1600mhz vs 1333mhz. Some Phenom CPUs also can't do 1600 mhz settings, so check on that when buying RAM and your CPU. I've found that Kingston is not only the cheapest, but the best in terms of quality, overclocking, and warranty. Also, heatspreaders are really unnecessary, and do very little to cool RAM. Case setup is more important. If you are going to spend more money on RAM, don't, but if you do, you want to aim for tighter timings as opposed to speed. Also, you can underclock the RAM and go for better timings to get a bigger performance boost. I'll go over overclocking later.

The Hard Drive
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Hard drive is simply a matter of space - higher or slower performing hard drives only affect boot times and loading times, read: not performance. The difference between, say, 1000RPM Raptor hard drives and 7200RPM Caviar Blue is only a few seconds. Solid State Drives are absolutely amazing, about 5 times faster, but the price premium is just absolutely ridiculous.

Note how much space you use on your current system (also note that you can simply use the old drives in your old system). Do you need 1000GB? Do you even need 200? If you delete all the porn and movies you download, you'll realize you don't even need 100GB - I have downloaded many games, torrents, movies, and operating systems, and none of the PCs I have ever owned have gone over 100GB. Just delete the movies after a month after watching, if you don't delete them right away. But whatever you need in space, get.

You need to get SATA connection, you need to get 7200RPM, and that's really it. You'll want to avoid Caviar Green, or '5400-7200RPM' HDDs as they are simply slower than 7200 RPM HDD, despite claims that they will scale up to 7200RPM when needed (unless you really want to be Green). You can find great deals on used/open-box/recertified hard drives, and Caviar Blue, WD's newest HDD line, can be had for as little as $20. WD, Seagate, or Samsung for common quality brands.

Hard drives also suck in about 24w in power each, give or take, so if you plan on having multiple HDDs (like porting over multiple from an old system), than you may need a bit more power. The PSU section and the linked power calculator will clear the issue up for you.

The Case
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You can go caseless! In all seriousness, you can buy the case later

There's no comparison to getting the NZXT Gamma. Tomshardware and other review sites have shown only one or two other cases that come close in value, which reviewed when the Gamma was much more expensive. Due to price drops, there is no discussion on this one. As an owner, it's an extremely solid case with great airflow, space for tower cooling and up to 7 fans (and that's just the open slots, not extra places you could cram them or fit them, I have 7 fans and not even using 3 slots). The fan the case comes with is also surprisingly high quality (as reviewed by silentpc). The look is unique though, some people love it and some people hate it, so always google up a case so you know what it looks like, before buying.

But to understand them...

When buying a case, you need to check to make sure it fits your motherboard. This is a simple making sure your motherboard is the same "ATX" form factor or smaller than the case. Also, good things to have in a case is a bottom mounted power supply (better air ventilation), fans slots (although you can drill holes easily), space behind the motherboard and slots for cable management, a solid build (something you just need to read up on the case for), and most importantly, well, the look! Don't worry about drive bays, as things like CD drives and floppy drives are a thing of the past, and your case will more than likely be able to fit extra HDD's in unconventional places if 5 HDDs is not enough for you.

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you do not want to see my PC from the other side, my side panel barely fits with my wires from 7 fans and system!

The Power Supply Unit
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Chernobyl is what happens when the 12v rails are weak

When people talk about the PSU, the saying is "Spend cheap, spend twice". However, this is usually said by people who don't understand them, as the motto should really be "Spend smart, spend once". While a PSU may say something like "Over 9000 watts!" the 'true' power may be much less. This is because modern, reliable PSU's by reliable companies will have most of their power on the 12v rail, whereas crappy, unreliable, or old PSU's have the power on the 3.3v or 5v rails - essentially it is misleading.

Your system's power needs are overwhelmingly on the 12v rails - the two most power hungry components, the CPU and GPU, all rely on the 12v rail, and accessories such as fans, lights, the motherboard, sound cards, et cetera, all use the 12v rail as well. What is a 12v rail? Well, that's beyond the scope of this thread, but just understand it is where the most powerful power comes from and it's what is important.

Now, how to calculate your 'true' wattage? Given that sometimes PSU's may have more than one 12v rail, the calculation is:
12v1xAmperage + 12v2xAmperage= PSU Wattage

If you do this calculation on older PSU's or crappy, cheap ones (under $20) you will see that only around half of the power is on the 12v rail, meaning that despite the PSU being 500w for your system that only needs 350, your stuck with a smoldering burning mess. This is not being cautionary, this is being straight up - no, that $20 PSU with 500W will not work, and you didn't find some great deal. Sorry.

Modular Power Supplies are power supplies where you can hook up the power lines as needed, which is amazing and very cool looking, but doesn't affect performance and the price premium is not worth it. If you are smart, you can hide the wires without a modular supply. This is where a good case with space behind the motherboard comes in.

Most power supply calculators out there, such as Neweggs, exaggerate things, in order to get you to spend more money. The only trustworthy power calculator is this one:
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

You generally want your PC's power needs to be 80% of the PSU's capability, or on today's gaming PC's, this means that your PC's power needs should be about 80% of the PSU's 12v rail wattage. This is not an issue about headroom, but about performance, as PSU's will inevitably lose their power output over time and even the best PSU's will have slight inconsistency in their power output. Even with this in mind though, 350w should cover most builds, and 430w will be enough if you plan to get fans, accessories, and you are overclocking. 500w is unnecessary unless you plan to overclock, have a Fermi GPU, you have quadcore (either by unlocking or by stock), and have multiple accessories, drive bays, cooling, and hard drives. If you plan to work your PSU hard and to the limit 24/7 and plan to keep it for many years, you may want to step it up a step to take care of wear and tear (ie electrolytic aging).

Also, you want to check for how efficient a power supply is. When a power supply says 500w, that just means it can feed 500w to a computer (which we also know can vary depending on which rails the PSU supplies the power). It does not say how much it sucks out of the wall, and crappy PSU's can draw around 800w just to supply 500w, meaning they are jacking up your electric bill and raising heat in your PC. You generally want 80% efficiency, and 80 Bronze or 80 Plus means they have a certain guarantee of efficiency.

Right now, the only PSU to get on Newegg/the USA is the Antec Earthwatts. There is no other PSU that compares in terms of quality and price, as they are the only 80+ Bronze PSU's at their power levels as well as having high proportions of power on the 12v rail. I haven't seen any cheaper PSU that was quality enough to compare, and usually they aren't even cheaper than these VERY cheap PSUs that are VERY quality at $38+.

Note that I've never seen a PSU under $25 that wouldn't straight up blow up your system, guaranteed, despite being '500w', so it's not something you can just say 'oh it's a PSU with the wattage I need for cheap!'. I guarantee you those $20 PSU's will fry out your system! So please do this PSU calculation before buying. Also, Cases with PSUs should generally be avoided - I haven't seen a budget system ever with a reliable PSU, and those that do have good PSUs are usually too expensive for a budget build (however if you just like that case and setup, using the knowledge in this guide you can figure out if it's quality and will work though). Again, just look at the output specifications for the 12v rail on the case PSU to judge it's reliability, but otherwise you can't really just say "oh I found a case with a PSU for $50, time to save money!"


The Accessories
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DVD/CD drives are being outdated. If you bought SC2 on CD, you can download it for free, as SC2 is actually free - what costs money is the account (check for yourself at starcraft2.com). But if you insist on getting one, just get the cheapest, these can be had for under $20, or off your old PC for free. Note you can install OS's via USB.

Fan controllers are a great way to control fan speed/noise, and the NZXT Sentry 2 also has temperature monitors. Unquestionably the best controller, and one of the cheapest at $25. Looks great, touch screen.

HSF: Right now the best value is the Cooler Master Hyper 212+, and if you search you will find it unanimously recommended at $30. However, note that it is tower cooling, and your stock HSF is radial cooling (ie it blows 'through' the case whereas your stock 'radial' cooling blows 'down' onto your motherboard, cooling everything by the CPU) so while your CPU temperature will drop at least 10*C, your northbridge and VRM (remember what that was?) will rise, even dangerously high, making it well not worth it. You should overclock your CPU and see if temperatures are a concern, before buying an aftermarket HSF, as you may find your CPU is limited by voltage or stability well before temps are an issue, and your VRM may not have the quality to withstand the added heat or your northbridge too. I myself had to saw an old heatsink to glue onto my VRM and attach with wire a fan to my northbridge heatsink to compensate, when I probably should've stuck to stock cooling since my CPU did not have temp problems at all. Note that the majority of instances where people's motherboard blew out, or that their VRM blew out, was when they stopped using a stock cooler and went to an extremely fancy tower cooler that neglected their VRM.

Mouse: The Steelseries Kinzu is the best deal at $30. Other mice are too expensive, and the acceleration can be removed. There are more indepth articles about mice, elsewhere. idra uses it though (baller!).

Fans: The Yate Loons are the best value, no question. Petras Tech shop has the best 'batch' and you should not buy them anywhere else (you can google why this is true). Mediums provide adequate cooling, and Lows are the only option if sound is an issue to you. $5.

Operating System: Budget builders usually know ahead of time where they are going to get their operating system (yarrr matey) but, that aside, all operating systems these days are good - including freeware. Apple's Snow Leopard and various incarnations of the MacOS on PC make buying a Mac pointless, Windows 7 is actually good, and while Linux may seem scary because, despite of how awesome it can be, it is complicated, Ubuntu is very newb-friendly. With programs like Wine, you usually never have to worry about compatibility issues. If you are on a budget, you can just use Linux/Ubuntu for the time being, and then get Windows or MacOS when a little bit of cash goes your way. Given the huge range of free OS's available these days, the quality of all Operating Systems (even old ones), and that your OS doesn't matter when playing Starcraft 2, I am not including it in the price. It's not hard to make the cost $0 here, and no I am not referring to pirating. People argue all day about OS's but when you get down to it, your marine micro will be the same regardless and they are all good. However, Windows 7 is around $100, as is MacOS, but if you buy it with a student discount you can get it anywhere from free to $70 - just check with your campus computer center.

Monitor: Check what output your GPU of choice has, and match it up with the monitor. However since this is a budget build, and the technical aspect of monitors can be very complex (and beyond the scope of this thread), we aren't really discussing them here. I assume you are running at 1600 pixel width or lower as a budget builder, but if you are running at 1900 pixel width, you may want to get the GTX 460 or understand you may have slightly degraded performance than expected for the power, since resolution can impact FPS more than your graphics settings. As this is a budget build, I assume you have a monitor from your old PC build, but a quality monitor can be had for under $100. Sanyo has some great budget monitors, and most 'broad' review groups like ConsumerReports has great information on the subject, as this is a subject not just covered by nerds, but all men. Note that you can run off a TV, or even projector, and you don't need to get just a dedicated PC monitor.

*Note that when discussing costs, I am excluding mouse and keyboard since you can use your old ones or get temporary ones from friends for free or cheap. Monitors and Operating Systems also are something you can use from either an old build, or use for free. While some may say this is misleading, this guide is an assumption that your current PC either cannot play Starcraft 2 or suddenly broke and you need to play SC2 as fast as possible, so in that sense this guide is much more practical. The general prices for such components are discussed so it's not hard to figure them out, and since this is a PC building guide the specifics for components such as an OS or monitor can be found discussed in much greater depth, elsewhere.

The Overclocking
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Although my temps never get past 40*C, I can only get an extra 200mhz when overclocking my CPU, although I did get an extra core

Now, I'm not writing a guide to overclocking. What I will write, is how overclocking affects buying decisions.

First off, the Athlon II series can be quite interesting when it comes to overclocking. Many people have seen better results overclocking 'slower' (at stock speed) CPU's than the faster ones, so bear that in mind (which is funny, because your 'awesome overclock' may just get you barely past stock speed on a faster Athlon II which only overclocks a tiny bit). Also, the Athlon II X3 450 is generally guaranteed to overclock to over 3.8ghz, or unlock, but not both. You may want to buy a 430/440/445 instead if you are an overclocker enthusiast and okay with the risk. An Athlon II can give you great reward from great risk when overclocking. Just search the exact model to see what results people generally get, and make sure they are recent results (as newer manufactured CPUs may act differently, not to mention the general warning that all CPUs act differently).

Note that when increasing voltage with CPUs, you need a better motherboard. See the VRM section on this, as well as the link on overclock.net and googling "vrm guide overclock.net"

You can overclock on some CPUs on stock cooling just fine, sometimes stock cooling is actually better because tower cooling neglects your VRM, RAM, and mobo due to the lack of radial cooling blowing onto the board - leading to a situation where if your CPU is stability limited instead of temp limited, your temps and system are better off overclocked on stock cooling. So just note that sometimes you may cause temperatures of critical components to go too high when switching to aftermarket cooling, and if you are using a cheap motherboard with 4+1, this may cause a component to get too hot and fail. So before you go crazy buying 7 case fans and an aftermarket heatsink, check your temperatures and see if you really need it, as well as making sure that your VRM, RAM, and NB can withstand added temperature (or get a solution to cool them independently if your new solution neglects them). Remember, that in the majority of VRM motherboard failures, it was because people moved away from stock cooling to tower or liquid cooling, and those parts are rated for usage when cooled by a stock radial cooler.

RAM overclocking comes all down to 'tightening' the timings when it comes to AMD systems (whereas Intel prefers faster speed). 1600 mhz is much easier to work with, because you have more 'headroom' than 1333mhz, but all in all increasing speed on RAM is neglible except in benchmarks.

CPU-NB overclocking will yield tangible results in overclocking, probably the 2nd most important thing to overclock on a system. You will see more from a Phenom II with an increased CPU-NB than an Athlon II, just fyi, but Athlon II still appreciates it greatly.


In summation, this guide shows you that you can build a budget PC to play SC2 at max settings for under $350, and you can play comfortably with $250. Spending anything more won't see noticeable improvement in SC2, but may help with any overclocking if you enjoy doing that, give you more HDD space, or have a cooler looking case. While newegg has the best US prices, check pricegrabber.com also to compare each item. Look up the items on newegg, then when you find the item priced right, compare it on pricegrabber. For example, my case was cheaper by $1 shipping from walmart and my HSF was cheaper by $5 on amazon.

Good luck! Many people have a lot of fun in the process of building a PC, and the love you feel for your awesome new PC will only be made more awesome when you realize how little you had to spend for a truly quality PC.
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
UrASofty
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Canada772 Posts
March 24 2011 09:26 GMT
#2
this looks identical to your other thread?
i be that pretty motherfucker
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 03:43:29
March 24 2011 12:29 GMT
#3
Edited since I'm not his editor.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
March 24 2011 13:48 GMT
#4
Why did you post a second thread...?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 24 2011 16:58 GMT
#5
Because his first thread got closed.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-24 22:46:16
March 24 2011 22:45 GMT
#6
Jinglehell if you can post a review site talking about SLI/Crossfire who say the average increase in SLI/Crossfire is a different number, or a review site that actually recommends SLI over single card solutions for budget builders, I'd be more than happy to revise the guide on that. I've read more than a few guides that say the average increase is about 140%, and I'd be willing to post my sources on that - for some games and instances it's higher, sometimes it's lower. I know some games like it a lot, like you posted in your example, but most games it's not really worthwhile. Otherwise, I made it pretty clear I was generalizing about SLI/Crossfire, and the ultimate point is that a budget builder would not do SLI/Crossfire.

This thread is posted with mod approval and guidance so this time it is going to be kept clean, and on topic. It was also cleaned and finalized.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 03:46:26
March 24 2011 22:55 GMT
#7
This review shows 1 card up to 2 cards scaling a good bit higher. Those are newer cards, and the game data is limited though.

I don't disagree that SLI/Xfire are practically junk with SC2, nor do I disagree they're horrid for budget builds. Much easier to just step up a card for $10-$20 and pick up a few frames that way, regardless of the scaling, you should never go multi-GPU for just SC2.

Here is the page where they show the percentages.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 08:56:59
March 24 2011 23:19 GMT
#8
^ I think those links are the same I would've quoted - they show up to 160% increase, max. Now as for 3-way SLI/Crossfire, it's actually worse - while they may have up to 185% increase over a single card, you are getting less than a 60% increase per extra card. I do see the 6950 - card horribly out of budget mind you - gets good gains in particular instances, but that's about 175%, 15% more than what I said you 'generally' get. My point still stands, that SLI generally gets about 110-160% gains, with an average of 140%, but sometimes you get more, sometimes less.

If anyone has recommendations with the guide, please PM them to me and I assure you I'll be more receptive. Otherwise I must ignore posts that aren't really relevant to a budget builder. I'll be happy to take feedback but this thread has to stay more focused. I'm hearing about 460 SLI performance via PM that sounds like it is relevant - like I said in the GPU section, it's always changing and perhaps the one part of this guide that is the weakest, considering how GPU's always change, and that you can't simply compare stream processors or other specifications to one card from another because of how they all interact to perform - to understand GPU's, you literally have to read up on every single one and compare them, whereas the information I posted about motherboards and PSUs will always be relevant.

I may also consider discussing Intel soon, but the i3-2100, as amazing as it is, is only dualcore - but I imagine Sandy Bridge, especially the budget ones, will drop in price soon to make them very worthwhile. The i3-2100 is really on the edge of being acceptable - although the Athlon X3 and Athlon X4 even, is a great chip, it is bottlenecked by the 460 and it really is on the edge of a chip that can handle SC2 perfectly, meaning it may slow down on rare instances, very rare, but considering the sheer power of the i3-2100, I feel I may have to include them. But prices aren't down yet, and this is very specifically a budget guide versus a PC building guide, although I discuss how to build any sort of PC with the technical information included. I may expand the CPU section just for this very reason.
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mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
March 25 2011 12:41 GMT
#9
Speaking of dropping prices, the i3 2100 is now $99 with a free mATX mobo. :p
http://www.microcenter.com/specials/email/CPlanding0325.html



With no power comes no responsibility?
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
March 25 2011 13:38 GMT
#10
I dont know if I could recommend the i3 since it's dualcore, despite being more powerful. Given how close the x4 is and how well the x3 unlocks in most cases, which is almost the same power, and then with the price premium of the i3 vs athlon ii. that is a good deal though on the i3, I think I'm going to add a bit more info to stay relevant when the i3s and i5s drop in price later on.
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mockturtle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States220 Posts
March 25 2011 14:38 GMT
#11
Belial:

Could you give some insight on the appropriate hardware if one intends to stream?

I'm looking to buy a new computer solely for SC2 -- the one I have is a several years old laptop and runs everything fine except for SC2 which it chokes a bit at low settings. I don't have a specific budget but I don't want to spend money I don't need to spend since I have no demands other than SC2. The only caveat I'm not so sure about is I want to be able to stream, which means it needs to maintain a good FPS at high enough graphics settings to look pretty, and my current monitor is 1900x1200 (i have another one with some wacky super-wide resolution, like 2050x1000 or something, hardly an improvement). If supporting a bigger resolution vs. smaller is solely up to the graphics card it's probably easier/cheaper to get a nicer card than pick up a new monitor. As far as streaming, you mention it in the RAM section but nowhere else so I'm curious if it puts additional strain on other components (cpu, graphics, etc)
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 25 2011 14:48 GMT
#12
To stream SC2 at decent quality, you'll want a decent quad core, and a minimum of 4GB RAM. For 1920x1200, a 1GB 460 is enough graphics card, especially if you OC it a bit.

There are already a few threads running around this board specifically relating to cost-efficient streaming PCs though. They've probably got more specific info.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
March 25 2011 16:11 GMT
#13
Does Newegg ship to Europe (I can't find anything about this on their site)? I looked up a lot of the stuff (this is what I call whatever is inside my computer) you recommended on some Danish sites but it's a lot more expensive than on newegg.
wat
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 16:25:00
March 25 2011 16:23 GMT
#14
On March 26 2011 01:11 EquilasH wrote:
Does Newegg ship to Europe (I can't find anything about this on their site)? I looked up a lot of the stuff (this is what I call whatever is inside my computer) you recommended on some Danish sites but it's a lot more expensive than on newegg.


I don't think so, but they DO ship to APO, so if you knew someone in the US military, you might be able to pay them a small chunk of the difference to let you ship to them, and have them trans-ship.

Not entirely sure if that's technically legal.

Edit: The regions you can shop by are US, Canada, China, so I doubt they have European shipping.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
March 25 2011 16:53 GMT
#15
I'm not looking to build my own, but buy a one ready made. I was just wondering what you think of this combination for SC2 (costing 629 000 won/566$):

CPU- AMD Phenom II-X4 955

Motherboard- ASUS M4N75TD Digital Green Tech

Memory- Samsung DDR3 2G PC3-10600

Graphics card- XFX Radeon HD 5670 D5 512MB Rextech

Hard drive- WD 1TB Caviar Blue WD10EALS (SATA2/7200/32M)

Case- Espresso 3Rsystem R460

Power supply- Micronics New Classic 450W Active PFC

ODD- Samsung Super-WriteMaster SH-S223L

+ 2G USB memory + 1 year warranty + other accessories

(I already have a good LCD monitor)

Coriolis
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
March 25 2011 17:06 GMT
#16
On March 26 2011 01:53 tomatriedes wrote:
I'm not looking to build my own, but buy a one ready made. I was just wondering what you think of this combination for SC2 (costing 629 000 won/566$):

CPU- AMD Phenom II-X4 955

Motherboard- ASUS M4N75TD Digital Green Tech

Memory- Samsung DDR3 2G PC3-10600

Graphics card- XFX Radeon HD 5670 D5 512MB Rextech

Hard drive- WD 1TB Caviar Blue WD10EALS (SATA2/7200/32M)

Case- Espresso 3Rsystem R460

Power supply- Micronics New Classic 450W Active PFC

ODD- Samsung Super-WriteMaster SH-S223L

+ 2G USB memory + 1 year warranty + other accessories

(I already have a good LCD monitor)



Should run it fine, I have a similar set up but with a HD4830 instead. The only possible issue would be lack of ram, but 2gb should be enough. Can probably run high smoothly and ultra with some choppiness.
Descolada in everything not TL/Starcraft
Cleric
Profile Joined July 2010
United States34 Posts
March 25 2011 20:47 GMT
#17
Glad I finally found this thread. I've been thinking about buying a new computer for some time now and these recommendations really helped to cut out a lot of "fat" in my original prospective build.

I was originally pegged to spend over $700 but with the information found here I cut that down to $550 and I don't think I'll be cutting down any on performance.

I don't think the old Latitude D830 with the Quadro 140M wants to run Starcraft 2 anymore, lol.
A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it.
zSoloo
Profile Joined May 2010
50 Posts
March 25 2011 21:19 GMT
#18
Just say i build a budget P.C with the items you listed above as my core supplies

Will i be able to stream even with my connection being

down: 1.32
Up: .33

?
Cragus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada144 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-25 21:24:37
March 25 2011 21:23 GMT
#19
On March 26 2011 06:19 zSoloo wrote:
Just say i build a budget P.C with the items you listed above as my core supplies

Will i be able to stream even with my connection being

down: 1.32
Up: .33

?

No, you need way more upload bandwidth (at least 0.7mbps if you want the stream to be watchable). I don't know about the computer's capability since you didn't actually say which CPU you would be using.
aka Nakji/Сталкер/Reed
zSoloo
Profile Joined May 2010
50 Posts
March 25 2011 21:34 GMT
#20
Thanks i was prolly going to use the "Athlon II X3 450"

but, my current comp runs SC2 fine, was just going to build anther just to have in hopes i could stream

but my connection is so bad ill prolly just keep my current comp
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