On July 17 2012 05:39 tube wrote:
the points against me are that im being an active lurker and thats supposedly our best lynch
how am i supposed to respond to that other than "i just felt like posting" because i didnt want to be inactive

from my point of view im not attracting suspicion to begin with

Hmm.. Usually Mafia feel the need to post and "fit in" as they have an inherit sense of guilt. Do you think making non-productive posts makes you look more town? Seems like it has the opposite effect.

I'd suggest you share some of your reads with us. What you think about other players etc. If you are town and really do want to get the heat of you.. If you're mafia than keep doing what your doing

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 16 2012 20:57 GMT

#288

Hmmm?

I just want to help the town -- and if your town, I don't want you to be lynched. But I just said you weren't making it very clear to us with your posting that you were town. Instead it looked like you were just crapping up the thread. So I suggested make better posts, discuss your reads with us. You know.. be town?

And your reaction to that is FOS me? lol

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 16 2012 21:02 GMT

#292

On July 17 2012 05:58 JingleHell wrote:

Show nested quote +

With tube, I'm thinking the same way I was about Lazer. If they flip green, at least we don't have them hurting the town with their attitude.

Is this.. a scum slip? You should always go for mafia. Lynching someone for being bad-town is a mistake. This is a noobie game after all.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 16 2012 21:06 GMT

#295

On July 17 2012 06:05 tube wrote:
honestly mafia is laughing at you

What makes you think that he isn't Mafia himself?

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 16 2012 21:07 GMT

#296

ebwop:
laughing hard at your ebwop

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 16 2012 23:53 GMT

#347

Glad you could join is Fulla

In my experience (LVI) it seemed that the first lynch did not turn out to be scum. But that's just down to odds right..
However, one player who posted short reads, accusations, one liners (Bill Murray in that game) ended up being Mafia Boss and was shot N1.

Food for thought I guess. Kind of hard to extrapolate good data or trends for D1.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 17 2012 18:36 GMT

#423

Deadline is soon approaching and we still aren't at a consensus.

Currently I think both tube and Obvious can be seen as scum. But the meta switch by tube (where he all of a sudden changed his tone, style, writing) seemed way too coached to have been his own doing.

A vote against Obviousis a decent one, but I gotta go with my gut here and think tube is the more "obvious" scum player.. Unless I can pull more reasoning out of why Obvious is mafia, I'll leave my vote where it is now.

##tube

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 17 2012 18:42 GMT

#430

Ah
ebwop
Vote ##tube

On July 18 2012 03:38 tube wrote:
you're using the same argument that obvious backtracked on
theres literally no difference between the way i was talking before and the way i am now except i use punctuation and capitalization
how do you even get coached in mafia why does everyone keep suggesting this

There was a huge difference. But since that post and everyone calling you out on it, YOU have since back tracked and modified your play and posting style to the way it was before.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 17 2012 18:45 GMT

#432

@Hap

I can see why you think YourHarry could be suspicious. But I think if we don't lynch tube for that pretty obvious scum slip (coaching.. there is coaching in this game remember?) that we'll be laughed at pretty hard when it moves past D1, D2.. etc and he's still flopping around with his crappy posts.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 17 2012 20:09 GMT

#459

Sigh, are people really bandwagon-ing onto Obvious/Harry this hard?

I've yet to see any super strong evidence posted against either of them other than WIFOM and some contradicting statements they've made. I guess this is D1 after all but I really think tube would be a better vote.

I'm curious how an obvious lynch turns out though since some people seem to be pushing him hard and tunneling in on him quite a bit. Usually that's something mafia does when one of their own is in danger is it not? Push votes to other targets, throw accusations, start spamming up the thread and the like.

I'm keeping my vote where it is and I'd like others to join me. tube's been posting quite carefully since he narrowly escaped the lynch around his neck. But I'll throw my FOS onto Obvious and Harry right now. Seems like there's too much panicing going on in this thread. Gives me a good feeling mafia is scrambling right now. And that gives me a good feeling one of these 3 are definitely mafia.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 17 2012 20:25 GMT

#466

Tube, here's your posting style at the start of our game:

On July 16 2012 09:51 tube wrote:
i see

On July 16 2012 10:26 tube wrote:
in a game this small where everyone said "i will be active" i dont think lurking is a good idea for anyone, esp mafia

idk what igmeoy means but i just didnt do any analysis

what lol
maybe i just dont see anything to analyze in day 1 with no information

On July 17 2012 05:08 tube wrote:
jesus what is with all this hostility

On July 17 2012 05:08 tube wrote:
elmo and whatnot

On July 17 2012 05:13 tube wrote:
you really like putting words in people's mouth to try to sound more convincing dont you

On July 17 2012 05:14 tube wrote:
ok ill try to go into more detail about previous arguments brb

On July 17 2012 05:22 tube wrote:
i didnt martyr myself i thought making a sarcastic statement like that would make people realize how pointless it is to lynch me

On July 17 2012 05:58 tube wrote:
i looked up chainsaw defense and how did i attack anyone by posting a list of lurkers

i think hes just a really aggressive (too much so, to be honest) player im not convinced in anyway that he's either alignment

On July 17 2012 06:07 tube wrote:
whats funny about it

On July 17 2012 06:37 tube wrote:
by the by that also applies to jinglehell's reasoning as to why i should be lynched

On July 17 2012 06:45 tube wrote:
ebwop: for being careful

That isn't even all the one liners that you've posted so far. Majorly shitting up the thread with these useless posts with no decent discussion behind them is a noob-mafia play. You have over 30 posts. And before you changed your posting style they were mostly one liners like these.

Finally when enough people called you out on it you began to post better discussion and actually decent posts, but to me I still think your a scum that is skirting by right now. The only one contribution you had so far was calling out lurkers when the heat was on you and making a list of their names. The only reason you're not being lynched right now is because people have tunneled onto other people since then. But I still think your dramatic change in attitude, posting style, and content is evidence of coaching.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 17 2012 20:51 GMT

#477

On July 18 2012 05:41 tube wrote:
And why are you dismissing the accusations against Obvious as petty bandwagons, he hasn't even defended himself yet.

Don't you think if he was really mafia.. He'd be here defending himself? is the case against him SO STRONG that he sees it as an imovable mountain that can never be overcome?

If obvious was really mafia his scum buddies would be pressuring him to post. They would be defending him, or trying to push lynches even harder onto other players. The fact that he hasn't posted to defend himself, the fact that no one is strongly defending him, tells me that he's probably not mafia.

Also you saying I posted a bunch of one liners is halarious coming from you. Anyone with half a second can check out my filter and see that's simply not true.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 17 2012 23:26 GMT

#515

Sigh -.- he should have just been around in the first place to defend himself a little better since people were so hell bent on lynching him.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 18 2012 23:25 GMT

#621

On July 19 2012 08:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Well in the mafia XX game, it was explicitly mentioned when a player (Khorrus) was modkilled, so it seems like a mafia kill.

Evul was pretty quiet all game, so maybe Mafia was trying to kill a blue?

Regardless, I'm happy to be alive, and let's make this day of discussion better than the last.

Isn't it possible he was shot by vigi, and the mafia NK was saved?.. like by a medic I mean.

Nvm I guess that's sort of unlikely since no one has claimed blue so no one would be an obvious person for the medic to protect.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 18 2012 23:59 GMT

#630

On July 19 2012 08:57 YourHarry wrote:
Also, it would be interesting for people who were roleblocked to claim roleblocked.

Are you saying we should tell the mafia who our blues are already?

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 19 2012 18:34 GMT

#714

I'm sorry Jingle but I really missed your breadcrumb as well and I've been steadily reading this thread.. so I'm not sure even with 3 mafia members that any of them actually caught it. And if they did, I don't agree with your speculations either. Throughout D1 and N1 you and Hap were arguing 50% of the time and spamming up the thread against each others post. Not saying this because you're both mafia, but it's definitely doing mafia's job for them. This is why I think neither of you were NK'ed.

As for Calgar, he was harsh pushing for iamperfection. Perhaps iamperfection is town and so mafia were happy to just let Calgar continue his case into D2? Or perhaps Calgar is the "obviously town acting" mafia scum you were talking about.

Either way, Mafia killed Evul. A lurker, who was going to be replaced. Netting us literally 0 information we can use, other than WIFOM.

For my reads right now, I wouldn't mind testing the waters with a Calgar lynch. Getting one of the major players out of the way and see what he flips. This could tell us a lot about iamperfection as well as others who are resistant (or soft defending) a Calgar lynch.