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First, I agree with the Millers claim day one, and policy lynching all Millers after today. In a game where they are self aware it is a huge boon for town. The benefits far out way the negative of less people with possible blue roles. First and most importantly it guarantees our checks. Detectives know any red checks from non-mafia get lynched, since sanity isn't an issue in this game. Any Mafia will always claim miller if checked and we don't force a day 1 reveal. It will cause a lot of confusion, it is best to eliminate this by forcing day one claims. It also forces Mafia's hand, if they want to claim they have to do it now before they are in too much water. This is hard for mafia to do, they don't want to be scrutinized and that is why they claim miller as a last resort. While it is argued that Millers make it easier to snipe blues it also makes our blues more effective. Look at Bang Bang where I, as a doctor, pushed strongly for a miller claim night one. Second, the focus of Marv makes me think of karma after seeing him do it to Gonzaw in our last game together. We need to be careful with tunneling though, when you push someone so hard day1, they will often come across as scum no matter what since the only content you have is them trying to defend themselves against accusations. He could be scum but I just want to say that we need to be cautious, as I feel the case against him is a bit biased. Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate but I feel like there is too much discussion on him this early in our day. Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly. That said I have a hard time getting anything from his filter right now. Some people analyze best when their quarry is under pressure but for me that introduces too many variables so I like to read posts where they aren't defending themselves. So marv would you mind answering the original question ( as leading as it may be) about what you feel are your tells, and second who do you feel is most likely scum? | ||
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Check it out: On June 22 2012 07:28 risk.nuke wrote: Well Zentor started out very strong but then his activity dropped which is all-in-all a scumtrait. He spends half of his posts unnecessarily defending himself and the other half is useless 1-worders. I would very much like him to come here and explain himselves. Seeing how he can be one of the largest postcount in this game and have said so little of significance. This is his most rounded and contributing post... And it is a joke post. Next we get this gem: On June 22 2012 07:52 risk.nuke wrote: While I agree Zentor is a scourge to have on the gamefield I don't think we should kill him to be rid of him. That's not the way. As for now I want to hear from more players. Not much here, he defends Z but against an attack that was never going to happen anyway so a null read on this one What a quality contribution, but after wanting to hear more from players he certainly doesn't add anything himself or even push this thought further. The original post was a joke regarding probs penchant for losing lately but risk doesn't follow up to even find that out. On June 22 2012 08:03 risk.nuke wrote: I say we lynch zephirdd on account of not realising we're past fun-time. Wants to lynch zeph but like most bad actors he says the lines but doesn't have his actions (vote) match up to his words. He doesnt want to have the case lead back to him, and until more people have joined in he holds his vote. Perhaps you might think he is an actor who values life and is very conservative with his voting habits, but you will soon see that is not the case. On June 22 2012 08:55 risk.nuke wrote: lol, ok #1 scum response ##Vote: marvellosity Now he gets crazy like Charlie Sheen, he now throws his vote onto the marv train, but he doesn't add anything to the arguments, he doesn't even mention agreeing with others but instead he bases his vote off one post. What was this incriminating post? Well I thought it must have been the dodge marv made or perhaps his posts where he says he is confidant he doesn't get lynched, but no it is this one. On June 22 2012 08:53 marvellosity wrote: Thanks, I will pass this on to my scumbuddies immediately. Marv is showing how absurd it is to have millers breadcrumb so they can be saved later, and this post is the one risk decides justifies throwing the weight of his vote behind? I think he thought the risk train was gaining momentum and wanted to get on board. On June 22 2012 19:01 risk.nuke wrote: ##Unvote: marvellosity ##Vote: von Klaust II Here is his latest post, what!!!??? This is so out of the blue, he never says why he changes his mind, he doesn't even say why he votes for klaust though I am guessing inactivity. This is a huge throw away vote meaning nothing as he doesn't even ask for klaus to speak up. On top of that look at the time stamps, this occurs 10 hours after his Last post. So picture this, risk votes marv, 10 hours later he comes and votes klaust with no reasoning at all. Ahha, but what has changed? Well I and a few others have pushed for slowing down on tunneling marv, and he realizes that it might not happen. Prob mentions the lurkers need to get posting and names klaust as one of them, risk immediately votes for him. So he has 10 hours between his posts and apparently knows enough to change his mind on the marv lynch and that klaust hasn't posted yet and still we don't get even a single line of content from. This is a mafia mindset, all of hs targets are equally scummy since none of them are scum so he doesn't care about who gets lynched as long as it isn't them. Let's kick this sham of an actor off our set before he changes this movie from Signs into The Happening. ##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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On June 23 2012 00:39 Zephirdd wrote: + Show Spoiler [Worst-case-ever] + On June 23 2012 00:31 rastaban wrote: I would like to put forward a new actor into the spotlight who I feel doesn't want this movie finished. One risk.nuke! This fellow looks shady to me and he must have gotten Kirsten Stewart for his actor for the poor job he has done hiding his distain for our movie. Check it out: This is his most rounded and contributing post... And it is a joke post. Next we get this gem: Not much here, he defends Z but against an attack that was never going to happen anyway so a null read on this one What a quality contribution, but after wanting to hear more from players he certainly doesn't add anything himself or even push this thought further. The original post was a joke regarding probs penchant for losing lately but risk doesn't follow up to even find that out. Wants to lynch zeph but like most bad actors he says the lines but doesn't have his actions (vote) match up to his words. He doesnt want to have the case lead back to him, and until more people have joined in he holds his vote. Perhaps you might think he is an actor who values life and is very conservative with his voting habits, but you will soon see that is not the case. Now he gets crazy like Charlie Sheen, he now throws his vote onto the marv train, but he doesn't add anything to the arguments, he doesn't even mention agreeing with others but instead he bases his vote off one post. What was this incriminating post? Well I thought it must have been the dodge marv made or perhaps his posts where he says he is confidant he doesn't get lynched, but no it is this one. Marv is showing how absurd it is to have millers breadcrumb so they can be saved later, and this post is the one risk decides justifies throwing the weight of his vote behind? I think he thought the risk train was gaining momentum and wanted to get on board. Here is his latest post, what!!!??? This is so out of the blue, he never says why he changes his mind, he doesn't even say why he votes for klaust though I am guessing inactivity. This is a huge throw away vote meaning nothing as he doesn't even ask for klaus to speak up. On top of that look at the time stamps, this occurs 10 hours after his Last post. So picture this, risk votes marv, 10 hours later he comes and votes klaust with no reasoning at all. Ahha, but what has changed? Well I and a few others have pushed for slowing down on tunneling marv, and he realizes that it might not happen. Prob mentions the lurkers need to get posting and names klaust as one of them, risk immediately votes for him. So he has 10 hours between his posts and apparently knows enough to change his mind on the marv lynch and that klaust hasn't posted yet and still we don't get even a single line of content from. This is a mafia mindset, all of hs targets are equally scummy since none of them are scum so he doesn't care about who gets lynched as long as it isn't them. Let's kick this sham of an actor off our set before he changes this movie from Signs into The Happening. ##Vote: risk.nuke Post-by-post case on a <24hr game, huuuuuuuuuuuge fluff accusing no one other than risk - I'm scummy when I'm town because I never roll scum - nuke. Have you played other games, rastaban? link me please. Yeah bang bang that just wrapped up, check out my post on cephiro, which nearly everyone ignored based on his few early game posts but in the end it was found out he was mafia. I think you are dismissing it way to fast. I may have played up bits to fit the setting but I stand by what I said, I really don't see town swapping votes like that with no reason and the sudden defense of him is quite astounding to me. | ||
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On June 23 2012 00:40 marvellosity wrote: rastaban: no, someone said they were gonna lynch me and I said "lol, ok" - risk says lol ok = scum response and votes me. Will read your case in more detail later but that's a correction for now Thanks I misunderstood the Iine of thought there. I really want to hear risk give some reasoning for his bad play. | ||
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Also I never saw Sloosh's post as it took me far longer than 30 minutes to work up a case against risk. You know why ,because I don't throw accusations around wildly until I have convinced myself. Last game as a doctor I had no gun and so I had to mafia reads and a town read but since it was my first game in a year and I was afraid that without a gun if I pushed too hard they would want me to shoot and out my role. Well no one seemed to care about my cases but me but in the end I was correct. Day 1 of Bang Bang I posted this: "Meapak_Ziphh, your filter looked really bad last night tons of filler and no posts contributing to discussion, but you seem to be posting more like your normal self today. Mind explaining what was going on?" I actually had an entire case typed up like I just did for risk and yet I decided to go easy and let him slide, well guess what he was GF. If I had pushed for him like I thought I should have day 1 we might have outed GF immediately. This game I am trying something different since I don't worry about having a gun, I am going to push my scum reads and try and save my town reads. If I get lynched for that, at least town gets a trail votes to follow that led up to it. Sorry but this is so similar to bang bang's Gonzaw fiasco where everyone clamored about him being red while I thought the case against him was awful, he gets shot flips blue and since it was almost all townies pushing the lynch we started the next day clueless as to where to begin which is why I had to post the Cephiro case linked above to begin with. So yeah, I stand by thinking risk is our best candidate and want him lynched. I am putting forward someone who is actually scummy instead of the marv case where half of it is based on his reaction to a leading question. | ||
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On June 23 2012 03:19 Snarfs wrote: Why risk.nuke and not MrZentor? Can you demonstrate the differences you see which makes risk.nuke the more likely scum, in your opinion? Because I feel they have played a similar game up until now. When I review MrZentor I see someone who hasn't contributed much, which, while scummy, isn't enough to lynch yet in my opinion.,Especially when he commits to delivering something tomorrow. I have seen players like Foolishness say the same thing so I am inclined to give him till tomorrow before I make my Judgment on him. I feel like Nuke hasn't just been a null, like MrZentor, by not contributing, but that his actions further scum agendas. There are legitimate reasons a town player may not contribute day 1, but I can't find legitimate town reasons for Risks actions. His "lol, ok #1 scum response ##Vote: marvellosity" Seems like such a cop out to get a vote on marv, instead of finding for a reason himself or even investigating it. It is the combination of not contributing but still trying to push a lynch that I find very questionable and seperated him from MrZ. What does town gain by him voting Klaust later, but not mentioning why he is doing it? The huge time gap, is so strange as well. I can see not being caught up and posting a quick one liner, but to be aware enough that one of the players still needs to post, to take your vote off someone you said was scummy, and yet not take even a moment to say something seems strange to me. I would like to hear from him on these actions and why he did it, maybe I am missing something but I feel that his actions make him extremely suspicious. | ||
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On June 23 2012 19:34 marvellosity wrote: Fairly happy with risk's recent contribution. Had a look through Zentor's filter. His vote on me was the first time he mentioned me at all (other than the general 'how intense' comment), and worse it was in response to Zephirdd's comment about scum bussing. 'One of them has to die' - why? no reasoning. I first got my anti-town read on Zentor in Bang Bang when he mysteriously lumped Toad into his list of scumreads without having previously mentioned him, because other people had done so. So pretty satisfied with where my vote is right now. I disagree about risk, he defended himself but didn't actually contribute yet. However I doubt I am going to get enough people to vote for him today. The reason I wanted to wait on on mr.Z untill tomorrow was because he stayed in, even after subbing out. now it isn't deffinate by any leas but it increases the likelyhood he got a blue or red role. I didn't mention this earlier because if he wasn't scum then it increased his chance of getting hit tonight. However I think his vote on marv after claiming both were probably town is pretty incriminating. | ||
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On June 24 2012 01:26 marvellosity wrote: I'd like to know exactly what you meant by that, rastaban In my post I compared him to Kirstin Stewart and Charlie Sheen, because this is movie star mafia, and I thought it was a funner way to getting across than using the terms scum and mafia. | ||
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Funner way to get my point across. On June 24 2012 01:49 risk.nuke wrote: rastaban zephirdd and zentor, what are your thoughts on eachother? I already posted my thoughts on Zentor, Zephirdd is Pretty likely town, when he asked about by previous games he followed up by looking into the case and linked my previous case so others could review as well, that is a pretty town aligned action in my opinion and his last comment isn't something scum would say. It invites attention, but a townie just wants to find the truth and not be played. I liken it to my statement last game where I jokingly said that ace had rigged the game so that all lurkers were scum. It was half a joke but also out there to get people to think in that direction if things started getting fishy. | ||
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On June 24 2012 04:40 slOosh wrote: Yea I really think rastaban has a higher chance of flipping mafia than MrZentor. He isn't doing what he said he would do - hold him accountable. He pushes risk saying that he is scummy, yet waits for risk to defend himself. When he does, all he doesn't comment on whether the defense is valid or not, but dismisses the whole thing and says risk still hasn't contributed. How is that pushing scum reads? He clearly still has one, but isn't pushing it. He is merely going with the flow and sentiment of town. Compare his play here to his play in Bang Bang, in which he is confident in what he says and isn't afraid to put out his thoughts. In this game there is more fluff and more references to games that don't really prove anything. Moreso, suspicions of him have been ignored several times, which indicates resistance. Vote rastaban. Guess what there is more than 1 mafia in this game o.O surprising huh. I still want risk lynched, but do you really think 6 other people are going to do that in the next few hours? No, because everyone seemed to want to discuss me instead of my case. And this game if we don't get 7 votes on someone then it is a no lynch which is very bad for town. Also if I stay on risk it doesn't say anything about my alignment if I am the only one. I think Zentor is currently the second scummiet player after risk. As I mentioned earlier his voting for someone who he thought wasn't scum pushed me from being neutral on him to him being likely scum. I felt his play only fit a red or blue player, I don't think he is blue now so red is most likely. Also staying on risk is the safe move it means regardless of the lynch results I am not responsible For the outcome. | ||
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On June 24 2012 04:54 risk.nuke wrote: Rastaban if you still think I'm scummy why haven't you bothered defending your case? Most of the responses were attacking me or dismissing it out right. The only legitimate response I got regarding my post was from Snarfs wanting to know my thoughts vs you instead of Zentor, which I responded why on. On June 23 2012 03:47 rastaban wrote: When I review MrZentor I see someone who hasn't contributed much, which, while scummy, isn't enough to lynch yet in my opinion.,Especially when he commits to delivering something tomorrow. I have seen players like Foolishness say the same thing so I am inclined to give him till tomorrow before I make my Judgment on him. I feel like Nuke hasn't just been a null, like MrZentor, by not contributing, but that his actions further scum agendas. There are legitimate reasons a town player may not contribute day 1, but I can't find legitimate town reasons for Risks actions. His "lol, ok #1 scum response ##Vote: marvellosity" Seems like such a cop out to get a vote on marv, instead of finding for a reason himself or even investigating it. It is the combination of not contributing but still trying to push a lynch that I find very questionable and seperated him from MrZ. What does town gain by him voting Klaust later, but not mentioning why he is doing it? The huge time gap, is so strange as well. I can see not being caught up and posting a quick one liner, but to be aware enough that one of the players still needs to post, to take your vote off someone you said was scummy, and yet not take even a moment to say something seems strange to me. I would like to hear from him on these actions and why he did it, maybe I am missing something but I feel that his actions make him extremely suspicious. I feel like people are viewing what I said about you as being due to the lack of content when I was referring to how you went about posting. | ||
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What do you think of my post defending Zephirdd: Zephirdd is Pretty likely town, when he asked about by previous games he followed up by looking into the case and linked my previous case so others could review as well, that is a pretty town aligned action in my opinion and his last comment isn't something scum would say. It invites attention, but a townie just wants to find the truth and not be played. I liken it to my statement last game where I jokingly said that ace had rigged the game so that all lurkers were scum. It was half a joke but also out there to get people to think in that direction if things started getting fishy. Do you think mafia would have followed up on something like that? When I played mafia a long time ago I almost never went through players past games as it was pointless since I knew they were town. | ||
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On June 24 2012 05:26 marvellosity wrote: I seriously need an explanation for some of this. What do you mean by his last comment isn't something scum would say? looking at his filter his last comment is explaining appeal to emotion to me as an acronoym. Are you talking about this? The fact you never went through past players game just means you're lazy as mafia. Don't attribute this to anyone who might play mafia. Sorry I was quoting my earlier post. His last comment at that time was saying he thought the two people were bussing each other. I thought it was meant partly in jest but to be alert incase that was the case. He has said since then that he actually believes they were bussing each other so I guess it wasn't a joke like I originally thought it was. | ||
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On June 24 2012 06:19 slOosh wrote: rastaban, this is probably the post that makes you think the Zentor switching his mind is scummy (correct me if I'm wrong). Notice the timestamps. There is a whole day - a little more than 24 hours between his two posts, pages 11~19, in which a lot of VE Marv interaction happened. Do you still think what he did was scummy? (p.s. to everyone else this is what I was alluding to when I asked people for opinions on Probulous - I think it's bogus reasoning to hop on a bandwagon). I hadn't noticed the the gap so while that weakens the case slightly I am bothered more by his voting marv without any reasoning. Not giving a reason for your vote isn't good for town, we need to know why (one of the reasons I think risk.nuke is scummy). When asked about his vote he says:" I want to lynch marvellosity, because it will provide a lot of information about VE's role. I switched from my they're both innocent theory to the at least one is probably mafia theory, because of they're both pretty good players, and I don't think both of them are wrong." Lynching someone for more information on someone else isn't a good option and it still doesn't tell us why he picked Marv over VE if he thinks 1 of them is scum. When pressed further he finally answers: On June 24 2012 00:18 MrZentor wrote: 1. Marv has been acting weird, and his first posts were pretty scummy. 2. Even if I knew for sure that VE was scum, I probably wouldn't be able to get him lynched, because half the town is sheeping him. Earlier he stated: "In Bang Bang mafia 2, I thought Rastaban was mafia, and it turns out that he was doctor. Now he looks innocent to me, but I'm not really sure if that means anything." but now most recently he has stated On June 24 2012 04:43 MrZentor wrote: There are people who I'd rather see dead *cough*Prplhz*cough*, but Rastaban isn't a bad choice. ##Unvote: Marvellosity ##Vote: Rastaban Strangely he never once even voted for prplhz though, and he doesn't give a reason for his latest switch to me. Is marv now less scummy to him, or did he suddenly see something he missed earlier that made him se my play in a new light? I don't know 100% that he is mafia but I think he is a pretty good lynch target for day 1, and he hasn't done anything since I voted him earlier to make me think he is playing more town alligned. | ||
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On June 24 2012 06:51 wherebugsgo wrote: Vote Count - Roughly 10 minutes to go MrZentor (8): prplhz, VisceraEyes, prplhz (0): Probulous (0): marvellosity (0): von Klaust II (0): risk.nuke (0): rastaban (5): Snarfs, Snarfs (0): I am in the unique position of knowing I am town so mafia obviously wasn't worried this lynch either way. The marv lynch team is split evenly onto both lynches. I am going to review what has happened so far along with the votes and see what I can find out. | ||
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I have a case incoming in a bit, going to eat supper before I finish it. | ||
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