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Unforgiven_ve
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On May 31 2012 07:31 O.Golden_ne wrote: I disagree sciberbia, i've learnt from the past that it's stupid too not lynch day one. You should realise that yourself with the last games fiasco with Mufaa being AFK all. I'm strongly against not lynching, either we knock a lurker or we knock someone who appears scummy and see how they flip. Mafia is a game of information, and with no information on day 2 we loss. Standard stuff. I understand you don't want to hit blue again D1 like last game, but its the responsibility of the blue role to defend himself from a mislynch rather than town being to scared to lynch for hitting blue. agree 100% 1. DO NOT claim you are a vanilla townie. We won't believe you AND you should be glad to die in place of a blue. We don't want to limit the pool of possible blues. 2. Attention DT (if we have one) - Let's say you get a lucky check on scum. Do not reveal yourself day 2. Do not come screaming into the thread with your pants still at your feet. You are not guaranteed a medic. Breadcrumb your result. Look at their behavior and create an accusation. Anything is better than a reveal. STRONGLY AGREE on this, blue people, dont roleclaim instantly, but dont put yourself in the radar, you SHOULD roleclaim as last resource i think, and give proof for such claim of course. Also, i have a reccomendation, please people, dont use PAST games as a guide, people change their way of play everytime, the last (and only) game i played, town got fucked (in part) thanks to this...i was mafia, lurking, bad town play and bad reads based on past games granted us the victory, only 1 mafia died thanks to a very lucky shot. Keep in touch, i'll try to do my best | ||
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Try not to bandwagon with a simple "I agree with ___". We want to limit our lynch candidates. The voting patterns of Day 1 may end up leading us to an excellent mafia candidate day 3 or later. If we have people voting all over the place, the usefulness of the day 1 lynch becomes diluted. That's not say don't be aggressive. Don't be afraid to poke the bear right in the eye if you feel good about an accusation. Sorry, i missed this, im REALLY against bandwagons, specially at the last hours of the day, i think on day 1 we dont have much information to work on, but we need to have our eyes open for a mafia slip, yes, lets pressure people, if they evade/lurk/start attacking other people whitout a real reason, then thats our day 1 candidate. Also, i like to save my vote to the last hours of the day, mafia is always much more active at day last hours just to see if they can change the decision or who is going to die. If someone wants to be "town leader" please take all this in account, im all in for some kind of town guidance and not a FFA f**kfest. | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
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On May 31 2012 17:31 Xatalos wrote: Something feels off about Unforgiven_ve. His contributions so far are "safe" generalities to say about the game. In addition, he wants to move the spotlight away from himself by asking for a town leader to easily sheep, and then he even says that he won't vote until the last hours (when it's extremely easy to bandwagon and blend in as Mafia). As things stand, I'm ready to go for a Unforgiven_ve lynch. However, I want to see your response first, Unforgiven_ve. You better impress with your next post or your filter looks really bad already. Sorry, i wont play to "impress" you or anyone, i play for town benefit. 1) What "contributions"? what filter are you talking about? I just posted one time after the day started, of course is "safe", its one post about generalitys and how i think the game shoud be played. 2) Town should discuss everything, i agree on that, but in a newbie game we need to have some kind of structure (same as normal games i think)...im not saying we should vote or choose a leader, i ment, if someone wants to take that spot, take in account all i said in that post If someone wants to be "town leader" please take all this in account, im all in for some kind of town guidance and not a FFA f**kfest 3) If you really read and interpret my post, you'd find this especially those lurkers who goes super active the last hours of the day, we have to keep an eye on them + Show Spoiler + he even says that he won't vote until the last hours (when it's extremely easy to bandwagon and blend in as Mafia) At day 1 (at least for me) we have to use timing and votting patterns to our gaing, when you just throw a bunch of FoS and Votes in every post you do you are actually helping the mafia, just making townies reasoning harder whit every post you do. I agree we have to pressure people and make them talk, but we have to do this whitout being PARANOICS, again, this just helps mafia. Raise your case, make a couple post pointing out what you belive about someones filter, keep your FoS to yourself AT LEAST FOR THE BEGGINING OF THE DAY. (i see it coming) Dont interpret this as some kind of "HEY GUYZ HE'S JUST TRIYING TO MAKE US PASSIVE AND DONT DISCUSSS LETS LYNCH HIM LOLZ I LOVE LOLCATZ"...im saying Play it smart, lets take safe steps every vote counts, every FoS counts, every post someone makes about finding something suspicious SHOULD count. | ||
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I guess "reek" means "full of" or something like that, not what im triying to project i guess. The only thing i feel is a overeager feeling from you to start a bandwagon, seeing as we still have one whole day left i see this unnecessary. also, i see you are not a pretty good reader, im not saying im looking bad, im saying people (like you) will try to decontextualize everything someones post. | ||
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Im going to really try to clear the suspicions abotu me (but i must confess i dont really see it). First of all, my "contradictions"...dont use PAST games as a guide is the first one i think. Im saying this, because i see (and saw in the past game) some people talking about "meta-game", for me, when i read NEWBIE Mafia and some players triying to do indepth analysis based on a few, sometimes even ONE random post is just hilarious, i understand we have to get the ball rolling but again, i say, we have to do this in a smart way, not just throwing gazillions of FoS and votes. Now, at this stage of the game and seeing the post count we have something to work on, still very little, but at least is something. About the "town leader", is something that manifest for itself, i never said lets vote or something. My "reads" so far: The ridiculous aggresiveness im getting from Xatalos got me thinking about 2 things, he's just a really bad townie triying to use his ubber skills...or just a mafia playing in a pretty risky way (metagame uh?) I confess deep inside me i think its the first option, just a bad townie, contradiction and all, thats what my personal experience dictates. My main suspect revolve around someone who have had some kind of agression but not making it too risky and not taking any pressure at all. suki: his first post is about the NL d1 theme, and asking Miltonkram about his fst vote. His 3rd post is some semi-analysis about the people the town is talking about and to close his post he throws a vote against me, before make it clear "it may change"...then a couple more post naming Cattivik, Superouman and me. That's it...he nevers really pressure someone, playing it really safe, his filter is short, he's just taunting Cattivik in hopes of preparing a Day 2 candidate. For now on: ##Vote suki but it may change uh?! ----------------------------------------- Im heading out to work (i work at night and study at day) i will make a post tomorrow about my second suspect. I can get online form my phone, if anyone wants to ask something please make a precise question and i'll try to answer it. It sucks to write a long post from the phone. | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
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Golden: wait and you will see every lurker will go active at the last hours of the day | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
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I see my first post still is a problem for some players, i will try to summarize my response (for the last time) taking this post... he states that you shouldn't use past games as a guide, yet he references two past games in the same post. He states that blue people shouldn't roleclaim, and yet they should roleclaim (as a last resort!). He states that mafia is more active during the last hours of the day, yet he slips in that he'll save his vote for the last hours as well, as if by stating it early he alleviates all suspicions on his actions later on. He's really against bandwagons, yet he asks for a town leader for people to follow. when i say "dont use past game as a guide" i mean personally, dont look for the other games some especific player has played (¿sp?), they can change their way of playing very easily. I just had played 1 game, blue roleclaiming at the end of the game is pretty obvious for me. I said i will save my vote for the last triying to show the town how is my style" of play, like i said, watching all the post, getting information, etc...but i see maybe i was wrong, one should adapt to the way the TOWN plays. When i say town leader i ment someone who are good at making indepth anaysis and posts, who could get people thinking, who can sumarize 10 pages in one post... i think i did not made it very clear, but for a mafia this would be VERY hard to do, thats what i ment when i said "structure" just one or a couple of good players, not someone we will blindly follow...i forgot im in a newbie game ;D. Now to all the new information... __________________________________________________________________________ This extended mayority lynch will fuck us pretty bad, mafia are theonly ones benefiting from this i think... This new case (and votes) against Ange777... i did told you mafia would come at last hours for some activity uh? She's is now on my list, but suki remains number one, specially after this On June 02 2012 01:45 suki wrote: I feel that lynching unforgiven at this point would give us a sure mafia lynch, but from the tone of the thread it doesn't seem like it will pass. I'll put off this discussion until day two. Ange777 already has four votes on him, and by lynching him we rid ourselves of a lurker. To guarantee a Day 1 lynch I will vote for Ange777. ##Unvote Unforgiven_ve ##Vote Ange777 Same random blind vote agains a case someone's else started. s0Lstice: + Show Spoiler + On June 02 2012 02:37 s0Lstice wrote: Xatalos asked me how I felt about Unforgiven in light of his defense. I'm leaving my FoS where it is. When he finally had a little time to scum hunt, he pointed the finger at suki. It was a novel idea at the time, but to me it lacked effort. Look at sciberbia's post compared to his. Now, not all accusations have to have a big word count to be effective, but his effort just looks lazy. Does the reasoning he laid out really warrant a vote? Not to me. He says Suki never pressured anyone, which is ironic because a big part of sciberbia's case is that he bandwagon pressured a lot of people. Whether he was first on the scene or not, he has pressured milton, unforgiven, vivix, and superouman. Saying he hasn't pressured anyone is just false. His case is just 4 short points. The first I just discussed. Past that, his other points are a short filter, safe day 1 play, and some nonsense about taunting cattivik to butter him up for a day 2 vote. It's just not a lot to go on. Keep that in mind. In his defense posts, he says we should discuss everything and nothing at the same time. Don't throw FoS around, or votes. Don't use meta arguments. What is his idea of hunting scum? Those two things are very important tools for applying pressure. He says we need structure, but never says what that is outside from some leader emerging to tell us what to do. His message remains totally unclear. Wait, be smart about scumhunting, and let people talk...but don't use half the tools in your arsenal to get them to talk. He doesn't follow his own rules. He posts a 'meh' case on Suki and then votes right away. If he was following his own rules, I'd think he'd at least wait for a defense before throwing his vote around. Bottom line is I like that he has started to make some effort to hunt scum, and I realize that he has had to spend a lot of time defending himself, but there are still so many inconsistencies in his play that my FoS stays put. I will keep watching. On refresh I see there's a lot of other stuff going on right now so I'd better hurry up and post! Some tother time would say you are not good at reading and throw a light insult ;D but at this point of the game i (think?) know is me not knowing how to make a proper post. Im not good at writing long posts thats why i try to resume and point to the precise stuff i find scummy. For me, suki is still number 1, if Ange777 flips red this will just convice me even more, i bet they are wishing for a NL. I will change my vote before deadline if neccesary, i still have a couple hour to burn. As always, if anyone has any question please ask | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
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On June 02 2012 04:15 Xatalos wrote: Ange777, your case against Suki gives me hope that you might become an asset for the Mafia hunt after all. More so than Superouman or Unforgiven_ve. However, you made mistakes / mispresentations. Suki jumping on the lynch push for you (in favor of his better Mafia read) isn't really suspicious in itself, since the other option was to basically vote for no-lynch (Unforgiven_ve had no other votes, so it could have as well been voting for no-lynch). It's actually the most logical thing to do as town (unless you think you can turn the tide of the thread in 3 hours) to ensure a lynch, even if it isn't your best Mafia read. I also dislike how you put so much faith in Unforgiven_ve's initial defense, while to me it just looked like angry deflection and dodging. Unforgiven_ve had one decent post later, but why you would bring up his most Mafia-esque post as his defense, I can't say. I can certainly see why someone would feel suspicious of Unforgiven_ve at this point. Do you think Suki is Mafia if you consider these points? What are your other reads? Please share what you can, as fast as you can. lol @ anger. That just happened in your little head, my dear scum. I forgot to put this in my last post, i also, dont like how Ange sided by me so strongly. That REALLY raised my eyebrown when i read it. | ||
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On June 02 2012 05:02 Ange777 wrote: ... And Suki IS bandwagoning. He was the 5th player to vote for me, I can't see how this counts as "the first". twice, whitout at least posting his reasons besides "yep she0s lurking" and "omg unforgiven looks so scummy, but maybe not" | ||
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and i meant he (suki) bandwagon'ed twice, me and you whitout stating any real reasons of his own | ||
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