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On May 24 2012 07:39 Toadesstern wrote: I wanted slot 25! 14 is awkwardly in the middle. People might want to lynch me because of that. Here I am, waiting for the perfect number to be next in the list, not signing up all the time and once 25 is up he signs me up under 14  Suck it, Trebek. | ||
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On May 26 2012 05:32 EchelonTee wrote: Yeah, mg wont be the lurkiest anyways even being gone for a whole weekend. Sounds good to me. GL HF peeps Are we all jus agreeing here and now that mg is midnightgladius and we'll just call the other mg majujubees or something? Cause otherwise this could get confusing. | ||
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On May 26 2012 07:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Guys, since I learned how well arrogance works last game, I need to top that effort. With this in mind I present you with the scum list before the roles are distributed: Mattchew Pandian Hassybaby phagga grush57 MidnightGladius GG scum, you can resign now + Show Spoiler + I think telling the scum they can resign will be my catchphrase Wait! Does this mean... + Show Spoiler [sunglasses] + Kenpachi is town? | ||
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(In case it isn't obvious, I think it's important to be able to hold the mayor at least somewhat accountable, and that means you have to be able to analyze their posts in a serious way.) 2. That segues well into why you should vote for me for vice leader! I take things seriously and am easy to subject to analysis. I don't mean "hey I'm always transparent because I suck at scum"; people running for things always say that. What I mean is that when I post I'll do my best to include my reasons and background, and you all can do your best to tear them apart or find corroboration. So, why am I running for vice leader/pardoner? Well, last game I played was my first time being a blue role, and it was really fun; I want to try something new this game as well. Last thing: my platform for vice leader. The vice leader's only power is to nullify a lynch once per game. I'm not gonna say "I'll only use the pardon if town wants me to" because that would be retarded since town voted for the lynch. What I will say is that if I ever use the pardon, I'll announce that I'm considering pardoning the person loooong before the lynch happens and I'll discuss it fully. There's a 90% chance that I won't use the pardon at all during the game, because in general flips on suspicious players tend to be pretty helpful for town. The only case where I use the pardon would be one where I'm very sure of my town read on someone, and where there are at least a few other people who think I'm making sense. So, vote for me! | ||
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On May 27 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote: Oh yeah and if I get second place and end up as Vice Mayor, here's my promise about how I'll use the pardon power: I will use it if/when I think it will help the town. I make no promises whether or not I will discuss it with anyone or whether I will or won't use it. If I think I can help us win the game, I'll take that opportunity. Typically this will give me a chance to discuss it beforehand, but I will not make stupid rules about how I use my power. I will try to win. I assumed that this election would work the same as the election in the last game I played, where there were two separate elections for mayor and pardoner (holy roman mafia). I just looked through GreyMist's filter though and saw that the runner-up becomes the vice leader, so there's really no point running a campaign specifically for that position. | ||
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On May 27 2012 14:28 Blazinghand wrote: So are you gonna run for mayor or what Probably not. I don't really feel confident enough in day 1 reads to decide the lynch. OTOH, getting double the votes sounds nice. Let me sleep on it. | ||
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And the question "why are you trying to get a power that's almost useless for town but super useful for scum" has a retardedly obvious answer, doesn't it? So scum can't have that power? Finally, it's not that I don't know why I like ET more than the other three of you. It's that I didn't want to come right out and say "half of everything bh or ve post is retarded or trolling" because you're both pretty good players and have a lot more experience than me; but I honestly think it's better to have a mayor who takes all their posts seriously so we can analyze them, rather than someone who posts like a retard or trolls half the time. | ||
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However I don't see how your questions for me make sense. I didn't even mention the "keep pardoner power out of scum hands" the first time because that seemed me the obvious motivation for any townie to run for that office, and I was interested in explaining why I specifically was interested in running for that. I'm interested in hearing where I've been omgus-ing, from whoever it was that accused me of that before; as far as I cam tell I haven't called bh scum, but I could be missing something. | ||
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What I do think, and is hopefully phrased in a better way, is that both of you can on occasion get into posting patterns which are non-constructive and hard to analyze. I do think the mass of posts last night between ET and BH was an example of this, and I think that VE tends to do this when he thinks he's right and town is wrong. I will still be supporting EchelonTee for mayor for the reasons I stated above: I think his posting style makes it easier to understand and analyze his leadership than it would for BH and VE. I'm not sure about Wiggles' candidacy, I don't think I've played many games with him yet. I'll keep thinking about that. | ||
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On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote: I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low. @Hyaach: What do you think about Kitaman voting for you? Or anything else, for that matter. @Wiggles: What do you think about strongandbig? He's your main competitor on current form. To the 60% of players who haven't posted at all yet, please do. No need to feel intimidated. There is no separate election for pardoner, the runner up for mayor becomes the pardoner. It's true that pardoner's power is really bad if it gets into scum hands, so people should only vote for their strong town reads; but since mayor does so much more to determine the early town atmosphere, has a power that can actually be used without the whole town jumping on him, and gets double votes, I think we should not be voting for anyone who is mostly running for vice leader. We can worry about organizing town to get a particular person into second place if the mayoral election looks like it has an obvious winner, but until that point we should be voting for a mayor IMO. | ||
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2. Sinensis are you still running for mayor? Do you still want to policy lynch grush? I'm pretty sure BH still does but idk about you. 3. MrWiggles, you've said a lot about pardoner but this is an election for mayor. Also, how do we know if you're town? Obviously the "I'm town" paradigm posted by the subject of suspicion should always be treated with several grains of salt, but it can still be useful to townies making up their minds so I'd like it if you could post one. | ||
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On May 28 2012 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I spelled it out myself. Okay, so I like Kita/Sinensis for scum so far...which is actually kinda disturbing, what do you think about 2 scum pretty much just claiming in thread like that? Seems too easy...but anyway there are lurkers to consider. What are the chances that ANY scum are among those who haven't posted yet? I think Mattchew or one of the other older players may be playing scummylurky. I recall ET did that explicitly and on purpose in SS mafia, maybe one of them (someone who recently lost a game as scum by being super active and leadery in the thread until I shot him) is doing that. + Show Spoiler [wiggles on me] + On May 28 2012 17:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote: strongandbig: I believe strongandbig is scummy because of how he made a decision to run for pardoner, and then just sort of fell out of the running and didn't even try to continue to gain support after being called out. He comes in and makes a post saying that he wants to be the pardoner. Quickly, BH calls him out on it, and after some back and forth, he drops his candidacy. It seems to me that scum would love to be able to nab the role of pardoner. This is what strongandbig set out to do, but when he was actually called out about running specifically for pardoner and was put under pressure, he was very quick to just drop his candidacy altogether. I think this is a sign of being scum, since it displays that he was very nervous in running. I feel as though a townie in that position wouldn't back off from running so quickly and after so little pressure. Also, his reason for not continuing to run is odd as well. He says it's because there aren't separate elections, but in my eyes, it seems more because he didn't like that he immediately came under scrutiny and was pressured. Even beyond his candidacy, strongandbig's posting has been very safe, and not very relevant to the game or contributory. He hasn't provided us with many original thoughts, and has been very reserved since he got called out by BH. Again, this looks like he's afraid of being in the spotlight or being put under pressure. 1. I stopped running for pardoner when I realized that it wasn't a separate election from the mayor's election. That's how it worked in the last game I played, and it wasn't specified in the OP. Once I figured out that it was the same election, I stopped running for reasons I've already explained -- I don't want to be mayor. 2. BH's "scrutiny" didn't make any sense at all! 2a: His first point was "why did you run for vice mayor instead of running for mayor, your reasons for running for vice mayor also apply to mayor." I had already answered that point (I don't trust my day1 reads enough to kill someone off). 2b: His second point was "hey first you said you wanted to do something different because blue roles are fun and then later you said that you want to keep pardoner power away from scum what gives those are different." I didn't mention keeping pardoner power away from scum because I thought it would be obvious; if a power is useful for scum and not for town then town should try to keep it away from scum. 3: IDK what you mean when you say I was "called out for running specifically for pardoner" - that's exactly what I was doing, it's not like I was trying to hide it or anything. I thought there were separate elections since it didn't say in the OP that the runner-up becomes the vice leader, I had to look through greymist's filter to figure that out. Basically, my point is that I wasn't trying to avoid scrutiny or the spotlight. There really just wasn't much worth responding to. Also after BH and ET blew up the thread over my poorly chosen comments about BH, I didn't want to drag the thread down any more. Think about this - if I was scum, by not posting I gave up a golden opportunity to get just as emotional as BH was and keep the thread fucked up for at least several more pages. | ||
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Also because he and Wiggles are the most reasonable and towny-seeming candidates ATM, and Wiggles apparently wants to shoot me. | ||
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My Finger of Suspicion points currently at supersoft. On May 28 2012 06:00 supersoft wrote: And this is actually something i agree with. The electionroles in this game are basically pretty meaningless. This pardonerguy and this mayor. Pfff i mean, they will die before LYLO anyway so there is really nothing to worry about. This is not a good town attitude. As has been discussed, these roles are super important for town - each of them can pretty much fuck up an entire cycle by denying town info, plus there's the mayor's double vote. On May 29 2012 03:03 supersoft wrote: My strongest townread is forumite and therefor i vote him for office. I think everyone should do the same. Result will be, that most likely townplayers are in this office and not some players you guys expect to win the game for you. Btw this office with no bodyguards is no office we want to vote the players in, who are in danger of getting shot tonight. I <3 forumite and I agree that he's probably town, but this is a terrible plan. If everyone just votes for their "strongest town read" instead of for one of the actual candidates, then the votes are likely to get very spread out giving mafia a good chance to swing the election by coordinating, either to get one of them elected or just to avoid getting someone they're scared of or who's on the right track elected. Lol. Kenpachi'd by the kenpachi copycat. And in case anyone doesn't think this works, I got caught by BC with it in SS mafia. It does work, probably because claiming VT is suspicious and weird behavior that scum think they can gain towncred for by calling out. On May 28 2012 05:58 supersoft wrote: good example for a completely nontelling post. You FoS Toadesstern?! because you disagree with him regarding this ET guy? What is your plan?! What do you want? Toad claimed Mason; he reacted kind of okay when i pressured him (regarding that he's mason his reaction actually is okay). Please, make a plan and dont pressure around randomly. We got everything from toad he has to offer right now. Badluck he seems to be mason and we forced him to claim that. This also is a bit of an odd post. Why does the fact that Toad claimed mason change SS's impression of his townplay? SS had some really strong reads on Toad, saying things like "I know your townplay." More importantly, SS's points on Toad were 100% right - saying "elect me because I'm unreadable" and "I will magically kill scum on day 1" like toad did are super suspicious! I tend to agree with many people that this leans towards Toad being third party. So why did SS back off here? Also, how did we "force" Toad to claim anything? There was literally no reason for Toad to claim some kind of nonstandard target-changing un-roleblockable "manipulation-proof" (wtf?) mason role, as part of his campaign for Mayor. This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum. | ||
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On May 29 2012 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote: This is just one example of anti-town information to share with the class. In fact, this almost makes me disbelieve the claim. Toad wtf are you doing? If this makes you "almost" disbelieve his claim, what about the On May 28 2012 07:11 Toadesstern wrote: Also I have a super secret I haven't told about my super awesome powers which works against manipulation. and On May 28 2012 23:04 Toadesstern wrote: ALTHOUGH I HAVE A FUCKING ANIT-MANIPULATION POWA | ||
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