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sToFu
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sToFu
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I was away over the weekend; just got back. I just finished reading through page 22 of the thread, I'll come back later, read through the rest, and post/vote. | ||
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sToFu
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As a result, I'm voting Wiggles. ##vote: Wiggles | ||
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sToFu
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On May 29 2012 07:01 jaj22 wrote: @SToFu: Who do you think is scum? I would be more inclined to believe, at this point, that toad is lyncher. As far as scum goes, sinesis has acted incredibly suspiciously and ss just rubs me in the wrong way. I'm on my phone, so I'll write a more detailed response when I get home. | ||
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sToFu
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On May 29 2012 13:04 jaj22 wrote: Picking some fights with lurkers: Broken promise notification. Do you still want it? | ||
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sToFu
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Okay, typing up in word document now. | ||
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As a note: I'm fairly slow to give out a “scum judgment”, so I'll be indicating my degrees of trust. Also, everything is off the top of my head, so I probably missed things while skimming. I'd greatly appreciate being corrected if I say something blatantly wrong about a player (ie saying doesn't post at all when they did multiple times). Finally, I'm grouping people into general activity levels, seperating notable people. My judgments for each individual are obviously different, but not significant enough to make a difference in posting. Mattchew, hassybaby, phagga, Alderan, Cwave, GambitX32, MajuGarzett, MidnightGladius, papapanda, FrimTofu, meeple: They may or may not have posted, but I honestly can't say I remember anything said by these players (that was of any significance). No judgement. Sinensis – To be honest, I was ~70% confident that he was scum, and on my initial read through the thread, I read all his posts under the assumption that what he was saying was from the perspective of an invader. This probably resulted in slight changes in my perception of him and everyone that he commented on. What essentially damned him for me was his insistence on the lynching of grush, even after noticeable improvements. Hyaach, austinmcc – Nothing of note (off the top of my head). I do like that they are posting. No real judgement. Grush57 – Could have been policy lynched: promptly cleans up his act. I have a nagging feeling about him, but there's no solid argument that can be made about him. Zealos, jaj22, Forumite, MZ, VE – Neutral to town reads on all of these, with varying strength. Notably, VE and MZ have been quite forthright about their viewpoints, while Zealos and Forumite have been slightly more diplomatic. I do like that jaj22 is calling people out on broken promises. For Manason... I honestly can't remember much about him, though he (probably) belongs with this group. Kenpachi, Manason – Sorry, can't remember anything. I do know you two have been fairly active. Kita – For some reason, all I can really remember off the top of my head is odd and convoluted “analysis” and, after being pressured, a couple one-liners and no real response. I'll have to review those sections more carefully. ET – Even if his “we should all talk, including the noobies” spiel was most likely a PR move in order to appeal to the (apparently) large base of new players in this game, it is nevertheless an important point to make. I do like the fact that in his early argument with BH, he didn't get too emotional or involved. As others have said, I wouldn't be incredibly surprised to see him flip scum, but, at the same time, I believe that he is, by virtue of his actions, more likely to be town. This is reflected in my thought process in my vote post. Wiggles – Doing a lot right, not a lot wrong. Can't say much aside from strong town feeling, as reflected in my vote. However, he's being a little too diplomatic, which I find discomforting. BH – I'm not going to lie, your early tirade and fight against SnB and ET, as well as your early insistence of grush lynch, have appeared extremely suspicious. On the other hand, your newer actions reflect Toad, ss, snb – I dislike, but understand, snb's cessation of activity after his early fight with BH and the shadiness of his campaign for pardoner. While I understand and agree with the arguments against him, I can't help but think he deserves at least more time to provide better insight into his actual allegiance. Toad, ss – that awkward couple that keeps trying to keep dissociating (probably the wrong word :/) themselves from one another but can't seem to do it. Leaning scum. If you want a more detailed analysis on any one person, I'd be happy to do it tomorrow (too much homework left undone over Vet's weekend). | ||
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sToFu
United States189 Posts
On May 29 2012 15:09 supersoft wrote: lol why am i so much better at this game than you, stofu A number of reasons, actually: you've probably played a lot more than me, and from your posting history, have probably read more carefully and more deeply than my current time constraints allow me to do, especially given how spam-happy the first few hours appeared to be. Furthermore, in RL mafia, I often disregard words in exchange for body language and tone, key factors that don't transmit well over the internet. I would actually appreciate any advice but everything you say to me in this game would be tainted by your initial hostility towards me. | ||
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On May 29 2012 15:06 MajuGarzett wrote: Why do you lean scum on Toad? He may not be town but it seems very unlikely he would be mafia after his claim of being mason which is easily proved and probably will be soon. Your intuition also seems to be giving you some weird reads. You say you find wiggles diplomacy discomforting but the diplomacy of Zealos and Forumite doesn't worry you at all. The nagging feeling about Grush makes no sense if you think he's trying to be a helpful townie. Even if there's no solid argument could you explain why you feel that way about him? I disagree with you on BH's early actions. As BH was running for mayor it makes complete sense for him to try to prove to everyone that he will post constructively and not spam. Though he may have gotten overly engrossed in it I hardly see it as signs of being suspicious. It's not even as if he was responding to accusations of being scummy, just accusations of being a poor poster. I agree with that. Rereading my post, I realize that I didn't properly convey my thoughts nor detail them correctly. I agree with you in that his actions make sense. I apparently didn't finish my description of him, but it essentially says that I understood that he became emotional and that I wasn't taking that much meaning out of it besides suspicion. The reason I felt it suspicious was two-fold: first of all, it felt as if he were overreacting greatly to fairly minor accusations, something in my (outside) experience more often than not attributed to members of the mafia. I feel as if he jumped on SnB to prove a point - that he is capable of rooting out scum - but in the process became engrossed As for Toad, his posting history is shady - no one can deny that - and, in my rush to finish the summary, failed to say that I believe toad is lyncher (as I did in my previous post). That said, I believe that he's fairly innocuous and that his role claim of mason allows us to give him the benefit of the doubt until his "special mason" powers allows us discover his actual alignment. Last thing: For me, intuition is only the method with which I choose to read more carefully into actions. If my intuition leads me to believe I have a new/different case, then I will be relying much more heavily on reason and actual post histories than on first impressions made from a single skim through the thread. | ||
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sToFu
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But then I was too lazy to go back and change it so I let it be and now I sound like a 6th grader. | ||
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There's a couple things that I'm concerned about 1. Can anyone explain to me why supersoft was posting the (I mean no offense by this) dumbest stuff N1, and come daytime everyone effectively ignores it? Admittedly, he's not quite the scummiest player (Zealos), but I'd think it would still be worth discussing. 2. Why are we lynching gambit when the lynch provides little to no information. The same logic that applies to gambit largely applies to the other lurkers of this game - including me. Why gambit in particular, and what's the point of lynching a lurker when we are not only unsure if he's just inactive/bad or scum? Bugs seems to be avoiding the question. 3. Where's Wiggles? Did he post saying he would be gone? I don't recall seeing a post of his for a very long time. Finally, I believe someone called me out on giving specifics about my reads and providing concrete evidence. My answers: scummiest is Zealos, but if I were compulsive vig, I would have hit supersoft, mostly just to get him to stop posting stupid stuff and bogging down the thread. Furthermore, I feel that, given supersoft's more numerous actions, his death and the subsequent flip would provide more info than Zealos. At the same time, however, Zealos is active enough to defend himself if it comes to that, which provides more information. | ||
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On May 30 2012 14:27 Blazinghand wrote: G32is scummy. He's lurking. He's actively voting so he doesn't get modkilled. His posts are wishy-washy and scummy, all 2 of them. I'm certain he is scum. I don't care about information or whatever, I want to lynch scum. If he is indeed scum, we'll still have a wagon and counter-wagon analysis to do after he flips, since right now, scum know whether or not he's scum. Lurking does NOT absolve you of guilt. It never will in my eyes, and I would gladly lynch a thousand G32s and Purgatory Erandorrs and Student BBytes until they all fall to the ground like a thousand burned snowflakes I think Wiggles is German so he's probably asleep. You're not addressing the issue here - my question is why gambit over Zealos. You say he's scum - alright, I agree with that, the evidence isn't favorable to him. The important thing that I'm addressing right now is that Zealos has a solid case against him - in my eyes, more solid than the case on gambit - but you and bugs seem dead set on lynching gambit instead. If worst comes to worst, then yes, Gambit is a good lynch target, but he's not the best lynch target. As for Wiggles: that makes sense, thanks. | ||
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On May 30 2012 14:35 Mattchew wrote: I was hardly spoken of day 1 and how is my lying flawed. In what way could my lie hurt town unless I were to try and do what WBG is doing pushing for a liar lynch cause of an unclaimed extra shot (something I had no intention of doing) Plus, if you believe that MZ, WBG and forumite were the 3 scum kills, why (as scum) would I post that I was hit knowing that 2 others could easily claim and get me lynched for lying unless I had other purposes with the claim (as I did cause I am town) People were calling you out for inactivity, contrary to your typical activity level. That was all I meant. People above have demonstrated that even though SnB "fell for your trap", he actually didn't do anything scummy at all. As a policy, I think that lying to the town is, in general, something that shouldn't be done. You ask how the lie could hurt town, and you provided a method with which it could hurt town. Simultaneously, a not lying has none of these concerns. I am willing to let it go, on account of flawed judgment and attempts to apply pressure, but I disagree with the method. As for motivations as a member of the mafia: it has caused considerable confusion without adding any substantial evidence to a viable case against SnB. The fact that we're arguing about the methods instead of legitimate topics indicates the misdirection that it caused. | ||
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sToFu
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As for trying to cast suspicion on others | ||
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On May 30 2012 15:09 sToFu wrote: Maju - Your suspicion of me is completely legitimate. I can't say much about my slip-up in my reads post other than that I slipped up, and that the post, at least to me, reads like one that was written up very quickly and posted without any proofreading. As for the scum/lyncher argument, I thought that scum indicated anyone who was not allied with the town. I'm more used to saying something along the lines of "mafia member" or "mafian", but I'm trying to fit into the slang of TL. Is this a bad, suspicious excuse that I'm probably going to be called out on? Yes. Is it also the truth? Yes. As for trying to cast suspicion on others ...Got cut off. In essence, if I were a member of the mafia, I would want to cast suspicion on someone not already widely suspected a lyncher. Either way, there are much more effective ways of casting suspicion than the quickly noted suspicions of a newbie. | ||
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On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote: VisceraEyes: case stated earlier sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader strongandbig: stated ealier Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy. You asked for my opinions? Here. VE: MZ makes a compelling case, as stated earlier. Wiggles: If you look through my (very short) filter, you'll notice that I begin with confidence in Wiggles. His posting quality hasn't changed - all his posts are well thought out. What concerns me, however, as indicated in my reads post, was that his posts felt too diplomatic and designed to appeal to the masses. You'll also notice that I tried to subtly call Wiggles out for not posting. His posts are growing even less frequent and more noncommittal. Although nothing he has done is indicating mafia, but his lack of action is growing ever more suspicious. SnB: I'm on the fence. His posts read as those of a logical townie, and (as I have stated previously) I believe Mattchew's case on SnB is frankly devoid of content. Others, however, have pointed out his somewhat scummy behavior throughout this game. I wouldn't lynch him - I'd even rather hit a lurker. Hassy: Who? Notable thoughts not really mentioned: Mattchew - Continued tunnel-vision on SnB. Little to no interaction with any other case. grush - Bad play in previous game. Target of D1 lynch and clears up posting. Pressure on him fades and his posting quality and quantity decreases accordingly. This feels like scum play - post well when called out, and lurk hoping not to be noticed for the rest of the time. Manason - I can't be the only user with alarm bells ringing in my head after his last few posts. I believe that he is scum. I'm starting my case against him. However, I feel like it'll be slightly lacking (plus he might just be having a bad day), and there are plenty of worthy lynch targets in the meantime. I dislike the lurker lynch at this point in time. The cases for each one are roughly equivalent, as demonstrated by how quickly the lurker lynch changed. so I'm going to stick with what I've been pushing for since I read Zealos' filter and his postings (after my reads post): ##Vote: Zealos As a minor note, I feel that a Zealos lynch, considering his early activity and initial willingness to impart information, shouldn't be considered a lurker lynch. | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: sToFu, I'm going to ask you kindly right now to do what I say. Vote VE. Thank you. Just read the second part (which came out while I was typing my post). I then reread the last few pages of the thread (which I had skimmed because they were mostly one-liners). Despite my apparent fixation on the Zealos lynch (I strongly believe he is scum), you make a stronger case. ##Unvote ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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