TL Mafia 'Area' LIII

On April 21 2012 11:16 MidnightGladius wrote:
If we all agree for all vigs to claim, then this is what happens:

0 vig claims: There are no vigs. Simple enough.

1 vig claim: There is either 1 vig, or a scum faking the claim. We have the vig claim their shot. If the shot hits, and we have a tracker, we can keep tracking the vig claim, meaning that a fakeclaiming scum would never be able to shoot until the tracker died. If the shot doesn't hit, and the jailkeepers know not to jail the vig's target, then we have confirmed scum between the vig and the target. In this case, as long as the mafia team doesn't know the real role distribution, they can't risk fake-claiming. This is good for town.

2-3 vig claims: There are 0-3 vigs, and either no scum faking claims, or some number of them. Each vig claims and shoots a different target during Night 1. Day 2, we sort them into two groups based on whether or not their shots hit. If the shot hit, we set it aside, and we focus on the group whose shots didn't hit. For each such vig, either that player has no KP (therefore GF), or their target was a GF. We lynch both of them. Either they flip GF and townie (case 1) or GF and GF (case 2). In case 1, great, we can do normal analysis on the flipped GF. In case 2, we have to be a bit more careful, but it's still a 1-for-1 trade. If all of the shots hit, then we know that there are no actual GFs fakeclaiming, and any lynched non-vig-claim flipping GF is an actual GF.

4+ vig claims: There are 0-3 vigs, and some number of scum faking claims. We use the same plan as in the above case. However, if all of the shots hit, then in addition to there being no GFs in the group, we know that there are one or more goons among the group, which is awesome.

This is all assuming, of course, that any JKs follow the plan by not jailing any of the vig claims or their targets, but I think that that should be doable.

Additionally, scum have no incentive to shoot vig claims, because a night-killed "Godfather" can only be a vig, making it a lot easier for us to figure out lynched players flipping GF.

Gonzaw's points about preventing chaos during later vig claims/GF lynches is also quite valid. VE, I don't see what you don't like about the plan.

On April 21 2012 11:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Paq he's talking about if there are more than 3 CLAIMS. If there are more than three CLAIMS then there's guaranteed to be a liar in the bunch, which is what he's saying.

Now go be a good lad and vote for gonzaw.

On April 21 2012 13:10 Mattchew wrote:
To elaborate

This reads to me as "i don't want to take a side, i want to look like i like both sides to the argument" also, lets change subject (but wait, read on)



apology post and leave to get away from being wrong.


Interestingly filmsy opinion again, to me this just feels like he has more information than I do



I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion

I know how much we love the 3rd and 4th person to jump on an opinion and now that he knows people will agree with him, he can be firm in his assertion

On April 21 2012 12:23 gonzaw wrote:
WARNING, Big Post coming up, be sure to read all of it, or at least the end and the part between the red asterisks:

To VE:



Scum already have the info of who is town and who is scum.
Like someone else already stated, if we lynch a vig, he will flip GF, and we won't know if he's vig or GF, but scum will.

Also, you missed this post of mine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&currentpage=10#187
This plan isn't about "giving scum information", it's about:
-Coordinating vig shots at night (if there are in this game)
-Avoiding the chaos regarding the "Flips GF" Miller mechanic from vigs
-Force scum to take action and claim or not.
-Based on the logical statements concluded from actions and claims, use it to aid scumhunting and determining the alignment of players and their actions.

On April 21 2012 13:34 gonzaw wrote:
IMPORTANT NOTICE:

I've already explained all about the plan.
All these "criticisms" by johnny, Paqman, etc have already been addressed, so if you want to check them out please just reread my filter.
For instance, this:



It's already been addressed properly, so PaqMan please reread my posts.

So I'd like not to waste time arguing about it ad nauseaum while going nowhere.

So vigs, please reread it, analyse it, and make the right choice by claiming right now, or at least way before the lynch (specially if you are a lynch candidate).

On April 21 2012 11:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Just wondering, what's the chance gonzaw's not mafia but just making an extremely retarded point?

At any rate, what I don't get is number 6. If I was GF pretending to be vig, I'd shoot as many of the other vigs as I could. And if I was JK, I'd protect those vigs who I trust to be either town vigs or some other blues.

On April 21 2012 10:15 Bill Murray wrote:
We're not going to be able to outguess the mod based upon the numbers we sent in

On April 21 2012 23:17 BroodKingEXE wrote:
/confirm

Ok, here is my thought on the matter. Revealing the vig roles is a bad idea in my mind. This is because of the possible hits of vig's. We don't know how exciting this game is going to be; we very well could have bored townies due to the size of the game. If we have vig's having to aim at lurkers, as a town we gain no info as the vig could have made an honest mistake. Also what if the mafia choose to circumvent the situation and not fake-claim. The Mafia kills before the Millers we would have wasted our two shots. There is really no way for a vig to get a shot off and figure out the alignment of the player in question unless we target them on the lynch.

On April 21 2012 09:24 Mattchew wrote:
what about roleblockers laya?

On April 21 2012 13:03 Mattchew wrote:
Yo anyone else reading paqman's posts... cause you guys should... scummy as fuck