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Demolicious
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 05:53:52
February 28 2012 11:07 GMT
#1
Unprofessional, disrespectful, rude and pretentious. These are just some of the words I would use to describe a certain cast from Playhem TV. Although i have not done my research, one caster named Katu completely disrespected the terran player DRAGON in the competition today. Many comments and implications were made while the casters look like they have very little knowledge about the game.

I will continue to stay away from Playhem TV
Playhem NA $75 Daily Tournament // Caster: Katu + Bonk
http://www.twitch.tv/playhemtv/b/310000688
(later in the vod)

They deserve to be criticised badly, so maybe they will improve or change careers.


Ok , Dragon starts his games around 3 hours and 30 minutes
but the real disrespecting and bias casting is done around 4 hours and 1 minute(even implying stream cheating)
No perspective

- Dragon was also streaming at the time with over 3000+ viewers. He was just trying to play the game to his best ability.
PS - Im only able to write this because of the high standards E-sports are in this day and age!



PlayhemTV first response"
Hi everyone,

I'm Ryan, one of the founders of Playhem. I'm sorry if the following is sloppy and disorganized -- It's after 3am and was just woken up to my phone pinging with all of the complaint emails we've received due to this incident. However, I think its imperative that I address this immediately.

First and foremost, I must express my sincerest apologies to Dragon, his fans, and our stream viewers that were subject to the distaste apparent in our broadcast tonight. There are no excuses for such behavior, intentions included. However, being a strong believer in the adage, "actions speak louder than words," I'd like to extend an offer to Dragon, and indirectly to his fans, in an attempt to make amends. If his schedule permits, it would be our pleasure to sponsor Dragon at IPL 4 in Vegas -- player pass, hotel, and flight included. We would love for him to represent Playhem at the event, but understand if his preference is otherwise. The offer stands regardless. I can't read or write Korean, so if someone who does would be kind enough to help me contact and communicate with him, please email me at rdesanto@playhem.com.

Over the past year we have found our home in the Starcraft 2 community, for which we are proud and grateful. Without the daily support our players and fans, we would cease to exist. I will admit, this situation was handled improperly, and my apology probably too late. And so, I understand if you ignore my appeal, but please do not let the actions of an individual be representative of Playhem as a whole. All-in-all there are nearly 30 of us who wake up every morning and work into the hours of night with the singular goal of making Playhem something special. If everyone can take a step back from what transpired tonight, I think our true intentions are clear. We are committed to providing quality entertainment to the e-sports community, players of all skills and spectators alike. We <3 e-sports and all those involved, wanting nothing more than to continue showing our support in any way we can.

That said, I do not know what the fair punishment is, yet. I will ask, if a reformed player previously fallen from grace deserves redemption, should a caster not as well? I suppose Katu holds the answer to this question, but ultimately you, the community, will be the judge.

Unfortunately, my role in Playhem distances me from our day to day operations and an active involvement in the e-sports community. Between leading a team of 20 developers, heading up business development, fundraising, and everything else that comes with running a start-up, I'm left with little time to engage in a passion that was the catalyst for founding this company. What's even more unfortunate, is that an event of this nature is what brings me back. I'm truly sorry that any of this happened."

MOD EDIT:

On February 28 2012 23:20 KatuStarcraft wrote:
This was posted in the reddit thread, though it will likely get buried so I re-post here.

Hello SC2 community,

First and foremost I'd like to apologize once again, and clarify in lieu of some of the comments here, that I did apologize last night not only on stream but I also approached a translator who communicated for me to Dragon my apologies and reasoning.

First I would like to say that trolling is not a professional way to act, though, it can be fun and in person I do it constantly, on air more rarely, but in both cases, I always do it for a laugh and never to tear anyone down.
Last night I had a lapse in judgement, thinking at the time that it would be funny to make comments which were inappropriate. I sincerely apologize for making these comments, and any negative impact it had on Dragon.

At the time, I unfortunately did not realize the kind of outrage I was creating. As I'm casting I glance quickly at the chat to look for any audio or video/overlay problems and then get back to the cast. Through these glances I did not appreciate the impact of my comments and thought it to be the usual minority of people who are either trying to stir things up or trolling right back. Bonk who was co-casting tried to warn me as he had his eye on the chat a lot more than I did, however, I did not understand.

So instead of clarifying immediately I just kept it going, unbeknownst to me, simply fueling the fire I had no intention of starting.

Finally, during a game I saw some comments made by co-casters which made no sense, considering the way I thought this was going and then I took a more than 2 second glance at the chat and started to realize what was happening. I was incredulous at first, truly stunned, I couldn't believe the way this had actually gone and I tried to apologize but it was too late. If you watched the video, you'll notice that I am rather calm about what I'm saying and nonchalant about the comments from chat. I really did not understand how South everything had gone.

I hope this clarifies things a bit, though I likely hope in vain. I do want to state that the things I said were from me, and my own mistakes, and that playhem has the best casters I've ever had the privilege to work with, who shouldn't all be painted with this brush.

To all those of you who tried to explain and continued to support I sincerely thank you for your efforts though I was in the wrong for ever even trying to make such jokes.


Further MOD EDIT
On February 28 2012 22:27 RyanDeSanto wrote:

Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 22:20 TheCrazySwede wrote:
On February 28 2012 21:44 RyanDeSanto wrote:
So there's no confusion, my comment about retribution was not meant to indicate favor in either direction. It was more a theoretical proposition that probably did not belong in my post to begin with. That said, its probably best not to leave this open ended. I can assure everyone that Katu will no longer be a representative of Playhem, and seemingly shouldn't have been for some time.


I can understand why, but I do think this is overreacting a bit.
Yes Katu was out of line and I'm certainly not defending what he said, but the punishment doesn't really fit the crime in this case. I believe an official warning or something similar would be a better fit. He was after all a pretty good caster when he was behaving properly.
I was watching both Playhem's and Dragon's streams when things were going downhill and Dragon didn't seem to be offended at all. Although to be fair it could be that he either wasn't aware or understood what was being said about him.
But my point is that if Dragon can forgive Katu, then so should his fans be able to. At least wait for a reaction from him before making any decisions.



I understand your sentiment, though actions outside of this incident are also a factor in my decision. Playhem does not tolerate any bigotry, homophobia, or general disrespect of any kind -- no matter how vernacular or seemingly accepted the terms are.

Maybe this is a good opportunity for the community to come together and draft guidelines for caster ethics and behavior.
rattatat tat
vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
February 28 2012 11:11 GMT
#2
Good 1st post, "They deserve to be criticised badly.."
Its up to playhem to decide.
YouthSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom355 Posts
February 28 2012 11:12 GMT
#3
Can't you tell us the time where this happens so we don't have to watch a couple of hours?
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Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 11:16:38
February 28 2012 11:13 GMT
#4
Did you honestly even watch the video?

I guess Kaku put his foot in his mouth, but Bonk? He was trying to get Kaku to stop, and made it pretty clear that he didn't share the same views...
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
February 28 2012 11:13 GMT
#5
On February 28 2012 20:12 YouthSC wrote:
Can't you tell us the time where this happens so we don't have to watch a couple of hours?


04:04:00 ->
I am not young enough to know everything.
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
February 28 2012 11:13 GMT
#6
On February 28 2012 20:12 YouthSC wrote:
Can't you tell us the time where this happens so we don't have to watch a couple of hours?

Around 4:04:00
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
February 28 2012 11:14 GMT
#7
What did they actually do?
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Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
February 28 2012 11:14 GMT
#8
i like that the community is fast to forgive players for anything, but if a caster makes an ass out of themselves, people are up in arms that they should never cast again and change careers.

nice job making an alt account to post this though.
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
February 28 2012 11:18 GMT
#9
Katu is really getting swollen headed. Bonk was trying to shut him up.
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
February 28 2012 11:19 GMT
#10
wow unprofessional ill be sure to never watch any of this guys stuff.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25492 Posts
February 28 2012 11:19 GMT
#11
Sweet, awesome thread with lots of details on what they actually said. Reserve judgement until I get some kind of synopsis, internet is too screwed to stream currently alas.
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Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
February 28 2012 11:20 GMT
#12
Does Katu and Dragon have some kind of history?
I am not young enough to know everything.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 11:21:49
February 28 2012 11:20 GMT
#13
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft

that is where you take drama with no backing. at least either post direct quotes or a time in the VOD where stuff was said. no-one is going to watch an entire recording to find out what was said

EDIT: I see you just added times. While it was incredibly unprofessional, Dragon is a known stream cheater. It was a ridiculously stupid thing to say on air, but still, you know what they say about cheaters....
Deshkar
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 11:23:53
February 28 2012 11:21 GMT
#14
gosh that was so unprofessional, and it's disgusting to do so on stream.

posted a transcript of what was said.

+ Show Spoiler +
Transcription of the dialog from 4:05:30 to 4:07:30 :

Katu:

Apparently Dragon is lagging like crazy and that's because he's lagging like crazy that he lost, not because he went for 3 command centers versus a roach all-in.

Bonk:

No ... no that's ...

Katu:

And you know what? Like, I'm not accusing him of stream cheating but I just want to put this out there all right, if he's just randomly starting to lag now, think about reasons why he'd start lagging. Just saying, just saying. I'm not even implying that all right, I don't want to say that he's stream cheating cause he might not be, but Dragon is known for this kind of stuff and I'm just saying, why would he lag all of a sudden, just saying.

Bonk:

You are making them so mad

Katu:

Dude, I hope they get mad, eat it. If they can't handle the truth then they can keep living in their fantasy world.

[...]
[Chat starts Raging]

Bonk:

Oh my god.

Katu:

This is awesome.

Bonk:

How am I getting dragged in your ...

Katu:

Dude, do these people know why Dragon doesn't go to a ? That's because the guy's banned cause he ch... Ok, it was never released what happened, but essentially this is the gist all right guys

Bonk:

Ohhh... wait.

Katu:

So something happened, we don't know what it is cause no one released what it was that happened, but he's now not allowed to play any more and that's why he's not on Slayers, all right.

Bonk:

I'd just like to separate my name from your name.

Katu:

No, fine, I don't care Bonk get away I don't care, I'm just stating the truth.

[Chat rages some more]

Katu:

It's pretty good man, I'm pretty proud of myself I gotta say.
KenZo-
Profile Joined December 2010
Faroe Islands190 Posts
February 28 2012 11:21 GMT
#15
Why are they bashing him ? I lag all the time from Asia to NA and EU.. it has nothing to do with lagging.. wtf is up with this guy... "the truth" ? how does he know what another person is doing ?

this is unacceptable.

Playhem has to get some changes and clean this up.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
February 28 2012 11:22 GMT
#16
On February 28 2012 20:14 Angel_ wrote:
i like that the community is fast to forgive players for anything, but if a caster makes an ass out of themselves, people are up in arms that they should never cast again and change careers.

nice job making an alt account to post this though.

TBH, this guy is like the embodiment of Reddit.

It is pretty clear he hasn't actually watched what happened, rather has just been reading the comments in the reddit thread.

First he mixes Bonk in with all this THEN he goes and says this:

while the casters look like they have very little knowledge about the game.


Sure, they weren't Pro players but they weren't exactly bad and their analysis was not to shabby for the most part...

Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
February 28 2012 11:22 GMT
#17
On February 28 2012 20:19 Wombat_NI wrote:
Sweet, awesome thread with lots of details on what they actually said. Reserve judgement until I get some kind of synopsis, internet is too screwed to stream currently alas.


Everything is quoted in the reddit threads.

Transcription of the dialog from 4:05:30 to 4:07:30 :
Katu:
Apparently Dragon is lagging like crazy and that's because he's lagging like crazy that he lost, not because he went for 3 command centers versus a roach all-in.
Bonk:
No ... no that's ...
Katu:
And you know what? Like, I'm not accusing him of stream cheating but I just want to put this out there all right, if he's just randomly starting to lag now, think about reasons why he'd start lagging. Just saying, just saying. I'm not even implying that all right, I don't want to say that he's stream cheating cause he might not be, but Dragon is known for this kind of stuff and I'm just saying, why would he lag all of a sudden, just saying.
Bonk:
You are making them so mad
Katu:
Dude, I hope they get mad, eat it. If they can't handle the truth then they can keep living in their fantasy world.
[...]
[Chat starts Raging]
Bonk:
Oh my god.
Katu:
This is awesome.
Bonk:
How am I getting dragged in your ...
Katu:
Dude, do these people know why Dragon doesn't go to a ? That's because the guy's banned cause he ch... Ok, it was never released what happened, but essentially this is the gist all right guys
Bonk:
Ohhh... wait.
Katu:
So something happened, we don't know what it is cause no one released what it was that happened, but he's now not allowed to play any more and that's why he's not on Slayers, all right.
Bonk:
I'd just like to separate my name from your name.
Katu:
No, fine, I don't care Bonk get away I don't care, I'm just stating the truth.
[Chat rages some more]
Katu:
It's pretty good man, I'm pretty proud of myself I gotta say.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/q9ar8/are_the_playhelmtv_casters_always_so_rude_to_the/
I am not young enough to know everything.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
February 28 2012 11:22 GMT
#18
Sounds like Bonk didnt share the views on Dragon. Makes your post a lot less credible considering you have 1 post and false information.
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Demolicious
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia38 Posts
February 28 2012 11:23 GMT
#19
Did you honestly even watch the video?

I guess Kaku put his foot in his mouth, but Bonk? He was trying to get Kaku to stop, and made it pretty clear that he didn't share the same views..Did you honestly even watch the video?

@ Dommk
- Bonk just seems young and really not up to date with current trends/ styles. Some of his comments stupify me. He needs to improve also, but he caused no disrespect from what i heard.
rattatat tat
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 11:28:36
February 28 2012 11:25 GMT
#20
Some people can't handle the fame

Katu was great when solo casting the KSL, haven't had time to listen to it since moved to weekends though and never really follow the Playhem tournies.
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