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Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
February 25 2012 05:21 GMT
#10
/IN.

Good old classic setup!
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
February 27 2012 22:36 GMT
#42
So game is full, can we start!
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
February 28 2012 00:11 GMT
#49
I am brilliant, you all shall sheep me and town will win the game.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
February 28 2012 00:55 GMT
#56
Palmar is scum this game and will be lynched.

I can tell from his one post, because I am brilliant.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 01 2012 05:35 GMT
#148
Hey everybody!

Just got home from school.

The Probulous spam makes me laugh.

I am cool with lynching all lurkers. Hopefully this will be an active game, so we don't have to resort to such measures. I am excited to play with a few more vets in this game, than my previous games.

Quality of posts > Quantity of posts
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 01 2012 17:09 GMT
#195
Probulous is town
Palmar is null
rg is town

deconduo is scum for his horrible reads so far

Vote: deconduo
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 02 2012 08:07 GMT
#245
Question do we know how many scum there are in the game?

My scum reads so far.
Jackal - Has posted nothing of substance. He also agrees with Deconduo who is scum
Deconduo - His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed.
TheToast - Very defensive, diplomatic and not scum hunting at all.

##Vote: Deconduo

I messed up the format last time.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 02 2012 23:42 GMT
#291
On March 03 2012 07:36 Snarfs wrote:
##Vote Paperscraps

I've noted the defence of Paper, namely that posting short lists of players with little analysis is something he just does. That being said, something else he does is back up his votes with some reasoning. So far, his reasoning for voting deconduo is:

Show nested quote +
deconduo is scum for his horrible reads so far

Show nested quote +
His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed.

Furthermore, Paperscraps' vote for deconduo came shortly after Palmar was grilling him, making him a seemingly easier target to jump on. The combination of the lack of reasoning and the fact that Palmar was grilling dec makes me think that Paper was trying to hop on a wagon while it was forming.


The irony in this post is pretty laughable.

This whole entire post is pretty hypocritical as well.

I play a certain way at the beginning of games to gauge people's reactions. My FoS on Deconduo was because I thought his reads were off base. Then his reaction to my vote seemed overdone. I mean who cares what I think really. I was just one guy voting him up for a reaction test, in which he failed.

Now if I understand you correctly, Snarfs, two whole votes on some one is a bandwagon. You could accuse Deconduo for the same logic, which is bad logic btw. Palmar grilling Deconduo has nothing to do with this. Palmar didn't even vote him up, so your last point makes no sense at all. There is no bandwagon.

I will be the last person to be lynched in this game and probably one of the first to be murdered during the night.

Also Bluelightz has voted me which is hilarious.

On March 03 2012 03:58 Jackal58 wrote:
misder and Papaerscraps both appear to be doing an omgus vote on Decon.

Why do you guys think Decon is scummy?


Jackal, it isn't OMGUS when I voted him first, which I have stated my reasons for doing so. If anything Decon has OMGUS on me right now.

On March 03 2012 04:06 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 17:07 Paperscraps wrote:
Question do we know how many scum there are in the game?

My scum reads so far.
Jackal - Has posted nothing of substance. He also agrees with Deconduo who is scum
Deconduo - His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed.
TheToast - Very defensive, diplomatic and not scum hunting at all.

##Vote: Deconduo

I messed up the format last time.


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Please explain how could you know my reads were bad if you are town?

We lynch Misder today and Paper tomorrow. I had a look at Pandain's filter and its nothing as bad as these two.


I know Decon's reads are bad, because I am getting towntells from the people Decon is calling scum.

Doesn't the last sentence of this quote strike you as odd? Pushing on Misder and I, the only two people to have him voted up. If that isn't OMGUS, then I don't know what is.

I can see a bit of a team forming between Decon and Jackal right now.


Pandain has been playing more town as of late.

Palmar is playing weird this game so far. He might be scum.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 03 2012 00:07 GMT
#293
Hey Bluelightz are you going to change your vote to a better lynch like Decon or Jackal?

First off your case against me is weaksauce.

On March 02 2012 20:38 Bluelightz wrote:
I do agree that there is an SK here.


I Believe Paperscraps is scum.

Let's look at his posts.


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On March 01 2012 14:35 Paperscraps wrote:
Hey everybody!

Just got home from school.

The Probulous spam makes me laugh
.

I am cool with lynching all lurkers. Hopefully this will be an active game, so we don't have to resort to such measures. I am excited to play with a few more vets in this game, than my previous games.

Quality of posts > Quantity of posts


The part I italiced is just fluff. The other part of this post is just voicing his opinion

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On March 02 2012 02:09 Paperscraps wrote:
Probulous is town
Palmar is null
rg is town

deconduo is scum for his horrible reads so far

Vote: deconduo


List = Useless, he didnt even provide reasons for why X is town, his reason for voting deconduo, I don't agree how reads can be horrible unless you know other people's alignment.

Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 17:07 Paperscraps wrote:
Question do we know how many scum there are in the game?

My scum reads so far.
Jackal - Has posted nothing of substance. He also agrees with Deconduo who is scum
Deconduo - His reaction to me calling him scum was pretty bad, telling me I slipped, when I just disagreed.
TheToast - Very defensive, diplomatic and not scum hunting at all.

##Vote: Deconduo

I messed up the format last time.


Fixed his vote, his list is not useless this time.

and.........

No more posts! Also, he is not providing anything useful to town and not contributing to the discussion.

So, ##Vote: Paperscraps


I have provided a lot of useful information to town. I got a reaction out of Decon to show his true colors.

On March 02 2012 09:19 deconduo wrote:
Scumslip much? I might have bad reads, but the only way you could know they were bad is if you're scum. Especially seeing as neither read was about you.


He is already doubting his reads. Of course I can't be 100% sure on anything, but some players are obviously townie.

Bluelightz and Deconduo argument's against me hinge on two main points.
1. I can't know if their reads are bad, unless I am scum
2. Making lists are bad and scummy.

When player A towntells and player B calls player A scum, then of course I am going to think something is wrong here. It is pretty reasonable to think they either (a) Player B is scum trying to get a townie lynched or (b) Player B is just bad at mafia and reading bad. I don't see the latter

Making lists is NOT scummy. Just because I don't provide a book long post on the merits of each player doesn't make me scum. Making lists is town. It lets you know where my reads are at and gauge me at my scum hunting abilities.

Just look at Decon and Jackal's filters and tell me they aren't scum. Jackal's filter takes 5 seconds to read and Decon's filter is full of non-sense and bad arguments.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 03 2012 09:02 GMT
#326
rg who are you shooting tonight?
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 03 2012 22:07 GMT
#340
Three people voted Misder: Deconduo, AKCT and Jackal. They all give me a scum vibe, but I can't believe that scum would vote together like that on the first day. At least one of them has to be scum though or they are all just bad at this game.

Deconduo's little back and forth with Palmar today was interesting. Deconduo calling Palmar bad at scum hunting is pretty funny imo. Deconduo blamed Palmar for Misder's death, but Decon was the one with the vote on Misder. Pretty contradictory. Palmar is still null to me right now although Palmar's read on Misder was correct and Decon's read was wrong, as I have said in previous posts. I am still leaning towards Decon being scum. He is redirecting blame on to others when he should accept responsibility.

Jackal has posted no substance at all. His reaction to the Misder lynch was over done. He has buddied/defended Decon which I find scummy. @Jackal: I would like to see some actual scum hunting come from you. Anything at all really, that isn't filler

A Killer Cuppa Tea uses being drunk as an excuse for pretty much everything. Also AKCT thought Probulous was mafia which is a pretty bad read. Right now I think AKCT is just a ignorant townie.

Sandroba will by far be the easy lynch tomorrow and maybe rightly so. Posts one line content and filler. I don't agree with Sandroba's read on TheToast as of now. TheToast is null to me at the moment. I feel as though Sandroba might be too easy of a lynch. If Sandroba is mafia, then why lurk and post crap and be sure to get lynched. Does Sandroba just not care about the game? Maybe just a bored vanilla townie?
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 03 2012 23:53 GMT
#343
Oh yeah, that is a mod error. I voted for Deconduo. I don't know that happened.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 04 2012 09:07 GMT
#354
On March 04 2012 13:29 Pandain wrote:
AKCT visited rhtheschworz last night.


Honestly this is very believable. AKCT has played a scummy game so far. AKCT needs to claim a role though, before we proceed with anything.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 04 2012 23:37 GMT
#383
Ok so Sandroba claims vet or saved by medic. Why would Sandroba have been targeted as all last night? I don't think a medic would have been on Sandroba either. Thus that leaves the vet claim. Honestly I think Sandroba is SK that is claiming a fake hit.

On March 05 2012 07:44 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:
Since you've claimed blue already, can you tell me if you Tracked AKCT or if you Watched rgTheSchworz? I assume its the latter, but id like to know for sure.


What use does that answer provide to town? The only possible thing I can think of is that he didn't believe Pandain and was using this as a way of getting him to possibly slip up. Pandain had announced his suspicion of AKCT so it makes sense for him to follow him. I don't see why watching RG would necessarily be more likely. As I previously stated it was obvious that RG claims were bogus from a simple read of his filter.

Even if you disregard the above, why ask? I read guilty concience here. Mafia shot RG and wanted to find out if they had been caught. If Pandain claims he tracked AKCT, no harm done. If he claims he watched RG they can counterclaim because they know they were the one's who were shot RG. Thus Pandain was either lying or he knows they are scum. They know that he knows. Thus the only possible way out is to counterclaim as soon as possible with more information.

It is a scummy scummy question.

##vote Adam4167


Probulous this makes no sense. It is reasonable to wonder what role Pandain might have been. A watcher on rg the first night makes complete sense, since rg was soft claiming vig, whether you believed him or not.

No I gather you are wondering that if maybe mafia hit and roleblocked rg, then Adam's question would show some concern. We have know way of knowing that. Also Adam has been towntelling recently. I don't think he is scum.


On March 05 2012 07:40 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 06:12 Pandain wrote:
AKCT is town.
I was just seeing how he reacted :<.

He was the second most suspicious person I had, so I just decided to pressure him a little. What he did was opposite of mafia. If he was mafia, he would have claimed to have a blue role, not a vanilla townie. Instead, he's been actively offering the right thing to do in his situation(if town): Lynch him, and then lynch me.

If he's SK the situation is a little different, but still points to him as town. He's perfectly alright with being lynched( when he CAN'T as SK if he wants to live.) So basically now, in my opinion, AKCT is 100% town.

+ Show Spoiler +
basically im not watcher/tracker unless im pulling epic mindfuck games


You do realise this doesn't work. The ploy tells us nothing about his alignment except that he probably didn't kill RG. Unless he actually did visit rg last night, he would know you are lying. All you've done is waste a day.

##Unvote


Deconduo is scum or just bad at this game. Both AKCT and Pandain are definitely more town than before.Mafia would have counter-claimed as a PR not a vanilla townie. AKCT reacted very well to this.

##Vote: Deconduo
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 04 2012 23:52 GMT
#387
You have to look at motivations behind peoples night actions. I have to go to work. I will post more later.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 05 2012 08:29 GMT
#411
On March 05 2012 08:41 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 08:37 Paperscraps wrote:
Ok so Sandroba claims vet or saved by medic. Why would Sandroba have been targeted as all last night? I don't think a medic would have been on Sandroba either. Thus that leaves the vet claim. Honestly I think Sandroba is SK that is claiming a fake hit.

On March 05 2012 07:44 Probulous wrote:
On March 04 2012 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:
Since you've claimed blue already, can you tell me if you Tracked AKCT or if you Watched rgTheSchworz? I assume its the latter, but id like to know for sure.


What use does that answer provide to town? The only possible thing I can think of is that he didn't believe Pandain and was using this as a way of getting him to possibly slip up. Pandain had announced his suspicion of AKCT so it makes sense for him to follow him. I don't see why watching RG would necessarily be more likely. As I previously stated it was obvious that RG claims were bogus from a simple read of his filter.

Even if you disregard the above, why ask? I read guilty concience here. Mafia shot RG and wanted to find out if they had been caught. If Pandain claims he tracked AKCT, no harm done. If he claims he watched RG they can counterclaim because they know they were the one's who were shot RG. Thus Pandain was either lying or he knows they are scum. They know that he knows. Thus the only possible way out is to counterclaim as soon as possible with more information.

It is a scummy scummy question.

##vote Adam4167


Probulous this makes no sense. It is reasonable to wonder what role Pandain might have been. A watcher on rg the first night makes complete sense, since rg was soft claiming vig, whether you believed him or not.

No I gather you are wondering that if maybe mafia hit and roleblocked rg, then Adam's question would show some concern. We have know way of knowing that. Also Adam has been towntelling recently. I don't think he is scum.


On March 05 2012 07:40 deconduo wrote:
On March 05 2012 06:12 Pandain wrote:
AKCT is town.
I was just seeing how he reacted :<.

He was the second most suspicious person I had, so I just decided to pressure him a little. What he did was opposite of mafia. If he was mafia, he would have claimed to have a blue role, not a vanilla townie. Instead, he's been actively offering the right thing to do in his situation(if town): Lynch him, and then lynch me.

If he's SK the situation is a little different, but still points to him as town. He's perfectly alright with being lynched( when he CAN'T as SK if he wants to live.) So basically now, in my opinion, AKCT is 100% town.

+ Show Spoiler +
basically im not watcher/tracker unless im pulling epic mindfuck games


You do realise this doesn't work. The ploy tells us nothing about his alignment except that he probably didn't kill RG. Unless he actually did visit rg last night, he would know you are lying. All you've done is waste a day.

##Unvote


Deconduo is scum or just bad at this game. Both AKCT and Pandain are definitely more town than before.Mafia would have counter-claimed as a PR not a vanilla townie. AKCT reacted very well to this.

##Vote: Deconduo


Hi again mister tunnel.


Riveting defense. Would read again.

Care to start scum hunting? or push a lynch? anything?
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 05 2012 08:35 GMT
#412
After reading Bluelightz filter, I am not sure what to really think haha. I just played with him in Werewolves Mafia and he was hard to read as well. He always seems to sheep and is easily swayed to vote one way or another. If I were to read him purely based from meta, I would say he is town. He has played pretty similar to the last game I was in with him. I think there are better lynches today.

Deconduo, TheToast, and Jackal are all better lynches. I don't know if we should lynch Sandroba yet, due to the hit claim. Sandroba is on ice though and needs to start contributing as do a lot of other players.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 05 2012 20:02 GMT
#428
On March 06 2012 01:06 sandroba wrote:
I'm busy as fuck right now and I'm already working towards being replaced. I'm veteran. I got shot last night. That's all the info I have good luck.


If you aren't even going to try, then you are going to get lynched.

##Unvote

##Vote Sandroba




Side note: TheToast is scum.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 05 2012 20:27 GMT
#430
Slinging unsupported accusations is what I do! Have you been playing this game?
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
March 06 2012 00:22 GMT
#456
Hmmmm, my gut tells me that Sandroba is vet, but logic dictates that Sandroba is mafia/SK. This bandwagon on Sandroba went up pretty darn fast. But, alas Sandroba hasn't taken his vote off of AKCT and not putting up a fight at all.

This lynch on Sandroba doesn't feel right. I feel if I change my vote though, people will think that scummy.

Only one person died last night. Something doesn't fit here.

Going to change my vote anyways. Back to my "tunnel" on Deconduo, who has been coasting.

##Unvote

##Vote: Deconduo

Inb4 people say I am scum trying to make myself look townie "if" Sandroba flips vet.
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
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