EPTBut I guess I did verbally half commit!
Don't start this until the 23rd though, or you won't see me posting until then.
Responsibility Mafia!
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But I guess I did verbally half commit! Don't start this until the 23rd though, or you won't see me posting until then. | ||
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On December 20 2011 07:55 Ver wrote: verbally "half" commit= "rol are you playing in my game?" "okay ill play" pff, you know I do that just so you will play team games and always plan on bailing last minute. | ||
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So my advice, play smart and tight and don't do dumb shit. | ||
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On December 20 2011 15:30 L wrote: Alright, straight off the bat people are saying that we need good posts. No shit. Not only is the concept of the game surrounding the idea that poor play will be punished, but there's also the notion that we've got relatively few players. in the game. 5 to 15 or so. This means that best case scenario, we can win day 5 through lynches alone, but that's a rather long timeframe to close out a game. So poor play seems to be some form of game accelerant, and the 'poorer' the play, the less in our favor it seems to be. So! What do we do? Post with content and condense your points. Keep your short posts to yourself and clump them up to make substantive comments. I'd say that posts between 6 and 15 lines are large enough to be substantive, but short enough to be read. But that shit is obvious. There's a bigger question here, however, which is what we're going to do with the first vote. RNG is probably the worst possible idea; gives us next to zero information regarding how people argue and its practically an excuse for people to not post anything because there's no element of responsibility attached to it. Either way, we're going to want ideas down on the table asap. And not like dicks, either. Cut it out bum/prplhz. Meh, I assumed the RNG thing was just to randomly create something to work with D1 and wasn't serious. Every non retarded person knows very few people will actually RNG it and there is no way a mafia candidate would get support and lynched using RNG. So now that I have wasting my time talking about that for some reason, how have you been L? Remember that time you spoiled the entire ending to death note for me? | ||
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On December 20 2011 14:09 bumatlarge wrote: Why wouldn't you be serious? RNG is when there is an impasse in the first day votes, and when there is no "no-lynch" option. I'm sure just mentioning RNG first nets me some responsibilty points. That's pretty good. From now on, all talk about someone provoking what Ver has warned us about has an arbitrary amount of "Responsibility". I have a tiny bit of Responsibility at the moment. I think for asking such a question VE, regardless of your true intentions, also nets you some responsibility. I think RoL has very responisibity at the moment, unless there is a Captain Obvious role.  The obvious is only obvious when someone points it out, if no one does than I guarantee we will see some people not realize ver hates retarded people and then realize this set up is likely devised to punish stupidity. | ||
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It's day 1, what else would you like him to currently say? | ||
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On December 20 2011 21:39 GMarshal wrote: quote fail. Lets try again A hydra is an account shared by two players, in this case SamuelLJackson shared by Curu and Sandroba. They are, of course the ideal target for a day one lynch! As they have the issue of being extremely difficult to read, because of the two heads. ##Vote: SamuelLJackson Also, as much as I love Chezinu, is anyone up for either policy lynching him or teaching me how the hell you get a grasp on his alignment? I enjoy his insanity, but its hardly conducive to figuring out his alignment. Nah, you are only as strong as your weakest link. I'd be more scared of them as mafia using that logic. They have twice the time to analyze and I know they are both decent players, sandroba particularly can be a good scum hunter sometimes. I am a bit curious how my name got into your first post gman <3 and that's the thing about chezinu. You never know and the mafia will rarely hit him because hes always a potential wasted lynch because he plays weird as shit and it becomes hard to actually develop a proper behavioral read off of him. If I was to policy lynch anyone it would be him because I find his play discernible either way which helps the mafia way more. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he was actually the traitor right now, seems like something he might do to try to draw a quick mafia recruit on him and its not even that bad of an idea. | ||
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We all know that role claiming is stupid though and can never be trusted. The mafia know what possible roles there are and how claiming only giving more information to them because they know whether your role exists or not. Inversely the mafia know which roles they can claim that likely exist and might get them support from other people who actually have the role. IE: IF I am getting lynched, I claim the specific medic role I know to exist, hopefully the other actual medics that are likely in the game realize that role exists and therefore believe I must have it. So the only other punishable thing I could think of we should never have a need for, which is role claiming since it only hurts us. The mafia will never know if they killed a blue or not and I'd rather we kill the blue and the mafia are still scared of the potential of that blue still being alive, than know more likely than not that someone claimed medic before they were lynched, and they are likely to actually be a medic, meaning better chance sniping prominent figures isn't blocked. So don't be dumb, if I fistpound palmar a nuke isn't going to go off somewhere. | ||
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On December 21 2011 02:25 syllogism wrote: It was a response to RebirthOfLeGenD, who seemed to be advocating not claiming, ever Your only reason is that if mafia actually gets a KP blocked by a medic or something and the medic doesn't claim they can fake the protect later or something assuming the person they failed to kill was 1. 100% protected and not a veteran, they can't be sure of this. 2. Still alive and knew they were protected. Some hosts have used a non inform on medic protects which can't be overlooked as a possibility. 3. That we would somehow also overlook that we don't know the mafia KP and that they could have some way to manipulate it in order to claim a hit. | ||
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Working on finals stuff. Consider it a placeholder if you will. | ||
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On December 20 2011 07:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: You know, I guess that's one way of getting me to actually play in your game Ver ;P But I guess I did verbally half commit! Don't start this until the 23rd though, or you won't see me posting until then. I refer you to this. I have been busy all semester and I literally just finished my last thing I had to do which was a 20 page research report. If you would like a copy of it you are more than welcome but killing me is a bad idea. | ||
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On December 23 2011 14:06 Foolishness wrote: noooo not RoL! You could have shot bugs! If I am right, he couldn't. | ||
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LSB (12): wherebugsgo, SamuelLJackson, Jackal58, BloodyC0bbler, VisceraEyes, syllogism, -VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Palmar, Foolishness, bumatlarge, Liquid`Sheth, GMarshal, -Liquid`Sheth, GGQ, prplhz, -Foolishness, Mr. Wiggles | ||
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On December 23 2011 14:32 L wrote: RE: Return Alright, just got back from hours of crazy monkeysex. The night so far's been a gigantic, terrible cesspool as far as discussion quality goes. This is important: Compare page 35, a typical night page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384¤tpage=35 With Page 17, a typical day page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384¤tpage=17 I'm going to go back and write up a list of who pushed for who from day 1, because if night 1 is any indication, there's going to be a flood of shitty one liner posts and we're not going to be getting anywhere otherwise. RE: Daypost Just refreshed Oh, I was right about Palmar? Figures. Good lord I'm good at this game. Some notes: GM seems to have lied about his target in order to lessen the chance that his shot would be medic'd/intercepted/roleblocked/whatevered. His target was probably one of his greens to throw off suspicion, so he probably didn't shoot Jackal. Palmar's shot was claimed. This means GM either shot VisceraEyes or SamuelLJackson I'm gonna go back and look through his post list to see if he gave any indication of suspicion with respect to either of them. I asked Ver, the timing off Gmarshal's post was at the deadline. There was no way for the mafia or medics to change actions when Gmarshal had posted that. I speculate he may have been some sort of suicide vigilante who wanted to make sure he could send out a message as he died without it affecting the game. Read this: So, I've sucked horribly and the fact that two of my coworkers decided not to show today really cut into my TL time. Be that as it may, a list of my reads, for reference if I misfire, and for reference if I hit. Consider it my apology for not being able to crank out a full fledged analytic post full of pictures. If I live, well then, this should be something to hold me to. He's apologizing in case he dies. I am guessing he has some sort of conscience where if he doesn't target a mafia then he dies. This post reads like a last will and testament because GM knew he was going to die. This could also explain why I didn't die or get notified of getting hit at all. His hit is only successful if its on a mafia, or he dies instead. This would also fit nicely with the theme of the game too. | ||
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On December 23 2011 14:39 kitaman27 wrote: If that was the case, why in the world would GM not inform us who he really shot after the 12:00 deadline? He had around 20 minutes to share who he really would have shot, during a time which the scum team wouldn't be able to change their actions. Are you purposely trying to shift focus away from RoL or something? @RoL,did you receive any notification of receiving a hit? I never received any notification. | ||
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Oh, I guess I should announce that I'm shooting RoL. I'm not having a repeat of TMM where he gets away with being busy till the endgame. If I'm wrong then on my head be it (and by that I mean I'll be horribly dead). I know there isn't strong analysis supporting it, but I just spent 3 1/2 hours writing this post/coming up with who to shoot, and I just don't have time to flesh out a fully detailed analysis on anyone before the deadline. That would also explain why GM released all his reads. If you believe my analysis of this, then congrats. I am now confirmed town by GM's death, or at the very least, confirmed not mafia. If only he said specifically how his role worked, oh well. | ||
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On December 23 2011 14:48 Foolishness wrote: I think RoL needs to go back and read the thread... I am going to now actually, but what am I missing? | ||
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On December 23 2011 15:03 wherebugsgo wrote: oh wait wtf RoL didn't die? If GM shot at a townie does it mean he would kill both the townie and himself? Or would GM just die and the townie would live? If GM would have simply died and RoL would've survived then we know nothing about RoL's alignment. However in the former case we have to lynch him. The host isn't going to be able to answer that because he would be confirming roles in the game. And wow lol, why would you guys think Gmarshal was lying about who he hit if you knew what his claimed role was? GM Couldn't of been roleblocked because then he wouldn't of been dead. So if he faked his hit to mislead mafia then changed it last minute to try to kill me and he was roleblocked then he wouldn't of killed himself, which means the mafia would of had to RB + hit him, which means there would be 4 hits unaccounted for, which is bad and probably not possible since we know someone claimed killing palmar, that would leave 4 other hits in mafia hands. More likely, the mafia was going to let GM kill himself/whoever else since it wasn't them, and as a result GM hit me and killed himself because I am town aligned. This would leave 3 hits unaccounted which could be an SK kill and 2 mafia, or just mafia kills. Much more reasonable. Either way, we can be certain that GM was NOT roleblocked, otherwise it leaves an absurd amount of KP unaccounted for, so he must of killed himself. Any other explanation would be elaborate as shit and confusing therefore, we defer to Occam's and we have our answer. | ||
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On December 23 2011 15:11 Foolishness wrote: I'm fairly confident that if GM lied about who he shot then he breadcrumbed the real victim in his post. I could see him doing that, but why would he lie? He knew actions were final at that point. | ||
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