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What Happened?: In the second group of the  Blizzard Cup, NaNiwa and NesTea played in the ninth game, each having lost their first three matches. Therefore, both were eliminated from the tournament and could not advance. NaNiwa was unhappy about having to play a meaningless game after having lost all of his previous games, and apparently requested that he be allowed to forfeit the match. His request was denied, and was forced to play the match. Immediately upon loading the map, NaNiwa a-moved his first six probes to NesTea's base, and then removed his hand from the keyboard and watched as his probes all died to NesTea's drones, after which he gg'd and left the game.
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What was the initial drama yesterday? (Tuesday, December 13): Many starcraft fans had strong reactions to NaNiwa's actions. But the reaction was strongest and most negative among the Korean community. Below are listed a representative sample of reactions:
Korea Progamers
ThisIsGame (Korean Website)
After the controversy broke, NaNiwa initially responded to the controversy in an interview with TeamLiquid.
The controversy was also discussed on F%&# Slasher and State of the Game.
What is the new drama today? (Wednesday, December 14): In response to the controversy, GOM decided to go back on their original plans to invite NaNiwa into Code S for GSL January. There is still some misunderstanding about whether NaNiwa was going to be invited on his own merits, or whether it was part of the league exchange program with MLG. This is what we believe the situation to be:
1) Due to LXP agreement, Naniwa earned a Blizzard Cup spot.
2) 2012 had a format change, where GOM had two "code s seed" spots that they were going to use as invites instead of a direct MLG seed like the 2011 season. Due to this format change, Naniwa was probably going to be given one of these code s seed invites instead of getting that direct MLG seed
3) Since they were spots they were going to use as invites, they saw yesterday's games and revoked that invitation explaining that it's an invitation.
Mr.Chae from GOM had this to say: (thanks to NHY for this).
프 로게이머라는 직업이 사실은 이겨서 상금을 타가서 그걸로 업을 삼는다고 프로게이머라고 생각하지 않아요 프로게이머라는 직업은 승부를 가리는 것들을 시청자분들에게 보여주고 그것들을 시청자 분들이 열광하고 그것을 통해서 승부를 가리는 것을 직업으로 삼는 선수들을 프로게이머라고 저희가 생각을하고 있기 때문에 저희가 시드를 줬던것은 퀀틱 게이밍의 프로토스 프로게이머 나니와 선수였지 스웨덴에서 게임을 잘하는 청년 요한 루세시는 아니였습니다.
"We don't believe that winning games and getting prizes make you a pro-gamer. We think that pro-gaming as a vocation should be about gamers competing for the victory, for the audience so they would get excited, and in all that, players job is to compete for the victory through that. We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not the Swedish youth Johan Lucchesi who plays the game well."
Because NaNiwa will now not be playing in Code S, the two foreign Code S invites for January have been announced to be Sen and IdrA.
Reaction to this punishment was immediate and widespread. Listed below are a representative sample of opinions.
Liquid`Jinro
Liquid`Tyler
DoA
Many arguments have been made in the course of this controversy, regarding who was at fault and how the situation came about, what actions were justified, and so on. For a detailed rehash of the major arguments, please read this recap (Thanks ehMove)
Latest developments: In response to the controversy, Quantic and NaNiwa released an apology. and GOM has released an official announcement clarifying their positions.
Summary: Quantic and NaNiwa express their regret for what occurred, NaNi will stay in Korea but take GSL January off. GOM addresses that they did not deny NaNiwa a Code S spot that he had earned, but rather declined to consider him for the spot given his recent actions.
Quantic and NaNiwa Apologize
GOM Announcement regarding NaNiwa
NaNiwa was interviewed on Live on 3
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Thanks for the summary, this was much needed.
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Canada1169 Posts
Yea this really helps instead of having 12 different threads :p
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What a mess. I don't think anyone will benefit from this situation. Crazy reactions from both sides.
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I kinda of feel the drama is coming to a slow end. Do we need another thread. ?
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I'm pretty satisfied with the responses from all parties here. It was a pretty ugly situation and I think most people managed to come out of this reasonably alright.
7/10 would read again
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gom's response (announcement) is very professional and appropriate. they seem completely reasonable to me.
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thanks, I hope everybody will get the right information now...
Hope this will turn out well for everyone 
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If anything it shows that GOM is running a flawed tournament system and rather than punish Naniwa for it, they should just learn from their mistake and not use the system in future. Thus avoiding this situation arising again.
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I think people care too much about things. This isn't highschool, despite half the posters here are in it.
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Thanks for condensing everything into one thread. It was becoming extremely hard to follow all the discussion.
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Interestingly enough GOM are now making things up to save face, making me lose all respect for them. Naniwa earned a spot in Code S yet now they claim he didn't? Even the official MLG website says he earned a code S spot.
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension/
"Naniwa [..] earned a seat in Code S."
In my opinion, GOM are getting quite desperate to save face here. First they tried to play the "he broke a rule card", but as people realized he didn't break any rules. So now they are trying the "Well, he didn't break any rules, but he wasn't even invited to begin with, so it is no penalty.", card. Obviously, this doesn't work very well when it has already been announced that he has earned a spot.
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Thank you OT for actually describing what happened, which none of the TL front page stories or statements by related parties bothered to do.
TL.net is very poorly designed site. You guys have no business criticizing the MLG site (although MLG is still worse).
I don't how you manage to be completely inaccessible to casual fans over a period of years. E-Sports needs better.
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Good idea, maybe we should make this thread the hub of discussion and close all the other independent threads? We don't need like 5 threads about the same thing mucking up the general forum. All I want to do is browse interesting topics in general but all I see are threads about Naniwa. Thanks!
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On December 15 2011 06:51 Paladia wrote:Interestingly enough GOM are now making things up to save face, making me lose all respect for them. Naniwa earned a spot in Code S yet now they claim he didn't? Even the official MLG website says he earned a code S spot. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension/"Naniwa [..] earned a seat in Code S."
yeah this is fucking hilarious :D
MLG writing this in own webiste
GOM telling different story :D
but another topic about Naniwa? really ? everybody who are interested knows what's up so for what the next one?
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On December 15 2011 06:48 Keone wrote:
What a mess. I don't think anyone will benefit from this situation. Crazy reactions from both sides.
total mess... hopefully it'll set standards for the future
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Haven't been following SC2 much, but IMO GOM made the right decision. Throwing a game simply because winning it wont win you glory or prizes is unprofessional for an athlete in any sport. You are not only playing for yourself, you have an audience to entertain
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Consolidation!!!! Finally.
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On December 15 2011 06:54 Fanek wrote:yeah this is fucking hilarious :D MLG writing this in own webiste GOM telling different story :D but another topic about Naniwa? really ? everybody who are interested knows what's up so for what the next one?
maybe MLG should come out and give their take on it. JP was careful not to speak on behalf of MLG during SOTG last night.
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