• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:59
CEST 03:59
KST 10:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes60BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch0Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
Soulkey on ASL S20 ASL20 General Discussion BW General Discussion ASL TICKET LIVE help! :D NaDa's Body
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [ASL20] Ro16 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
i'm really bored guys
Peanutsc
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1608 users

[H] Can seem to be surviving in silver, help?

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Surikizu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States32 Posts
December 08 2011 15:52 GMT
#1
Hello all, I am Surikizu and I currently am on mid-level silver but I am having a very hard time surviving. PvP is my toughest match up and PvT comes next. I do alright in PvZ more than I do with the other races. I am a protoss player and I am wishing to get better with my toughest match ups. Can anyone be able to assist me? I will provide the replays of my very recent games and most of them are a lost.

I would also like to note than I don't want "MACRO BETTER", I simply would appreciate it if you give me specific pointers,at a certain time of the replay, what I should have done, what I've done wrong and what I should do to correct it. Please, and thank you all.

Note: The replays are uploaded on mediafire because I'm new to this uploading replays business. I guarantee 100% there are no viruses or anything that can harm your computer.

Replay:

http://www.mediafire.com/?u0zddydc27azy25

-Suriki.
Damn Toss is so OP
rebotfc
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom144 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 15:58:00
December 08 2011 15:57 GMT
#2
Hi Obviously you are asking for help with good intentions, I would recommend you upload one or two typical losses to a site such as http://drop.sc/ press the upload button in the top right.

Then try to self analyse that game and describe why you think you lost it, giving times if possible. Say what your plan was, was it 4-gate, or was it fast expand etc.

This gives people a starting point and saves a lot of time.

The thing is what you have asked is for people to generally look at all your replays in the pack and try to pick out what is wrong with your game, its asking quite a lot of peoples time.

I'm not saying this to be nasty, but i think you would get more and better quality advice if you uploaded only one or two and did some self analysis.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
December 08 2011 15:57 GMT
#3
Hey, I'm just going to copy and paste something I posted in some other thread.
Here's a few tips that'll help your replays get analyzed.

Pick one representative replay and analyze it yourself. This accomplished a few things.
1. It's REQUIRED by forum guidelines and you thread could be closed because of this alone.
2. People are much more likely to watch one replay than a replay pack
3. People are more likely to help you if they see you put effort into your OP.
4. You'll get better responses/analysis that are targeted for you and may clear up your misconceptions.

Also, you really kinda have to upload on a replay sharing site. Other sites make you wait and are just annoying plus have the potential for viruses. Just google replay upload.
Moderator
Yodums
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada25 Posts
December 08 2011 16:46 GMT
#4
I watched the PvP on Anita Shipyard. Assuming you watched the replay, you would have known that you had that game in the bag. But here are some points on the replay:

1. You saw open with a very unorthodox gateway, forge, core, and 2 canons. You made a robo, which was a good move seeing as you might have suspected DTs, but kept making more gateway units. If you continue to make units, you want to do something with them. Otherwise, the right decision here would have been to take an early expansion, because your enemy invested 450 to setup his static defense. This would have put you in an early economic lead. You ended up taking an expo at the same time your opponent did. Also, your natural was undersaturated while your main was oversaturated. Probe transfer.

2. Scouting. It was bad. You had two observers side by side in his base. You didn't see his unit composition. If you saw his unit composition, and didn't see his natural setup, you would have easily known he had to have a base sitting somewhere other than his natural. Your lack of scouting led to you taking a very reactive approach to your unit composition. Whereas if you would have scouted it earlier, you would have put together a better army. You also had a spare obs in an empty base. You could have put that in the middle to see when the units were coming since you didn't have the tower.

3. You overextended yourself in that warp prism play. Once you see that many zealots, you need to make a run out of there and save as many units as you can, not leave them there attacking.

4. Macro. As much as you hate it, you need work on it. You floated 2k+ at points in the game. If you turned those minerals into an army, they would have taken your opponent, who also had bad macro.

Based off of that replay, I would say the two big things you need to work on are: scouting and macro.





-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
December 08 2011 16:50 GMT
#5
NrGmonk pretty much said it all about the replays. Especially regarding the replay pack thing; it takes a fair bit of time to review a replay and provide feedback.

However to add another aspect to this: if you provide self-analysis of one or two replays then it will help people identify problems with your mindset. Sometimes the problems people run into aren't mechanics but simply that they think one thing and don't realise that its wrong. Like being convinced they're ahead when they're not.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 1m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft463
RuFF_SC2 120
CosmosSc2 64
Vindicta 37
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 689
Shuttle 554
Light 173
Aegong 101
NaDa 21
ajuk12(nOOB) 17
Dota 2
monkeys_forever835
NeuroSwarm156
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K446
Fnx 393
PGG 63
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0393
Mew2King43
Other Games
summit1g6804
shahzam836
JimRising 556
Trikslyr59
Nina46
ViBE31
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH121
• davetesta33
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 15
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4946
Other Games
• Scarra1207
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
8h 1m
Zoun vs Classic
Map Test Tournament
9h 1m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 1h
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
1d 6h
RSL Revival
1d 8h
Reynor vs Cure
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Online Event
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.