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On October 29 2011 23:32 kitaman27 wrote: Err check your inbox again? I have a copy of the pm in my sent folder. If not let me know and I'll resend it Err, it was marked as read even tho i could swear I never saw it. I just feel stupid now, sorry about that :C /confirm | ||
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On October 30 2011 14:42 Zanfada wrote: Day 1 it is very important not to let the mafia lurk and hide in the background. So we have to preasure them and force everyone to interact. If you look at the last mini mafia town lost because of inactivity. So we can't have anyone be inactive. I guess to get things start hacklebeast hasn't posted anything yet. so until he speaks up or a better target comes along ##Vote hacklebeast 4 hours into the game and you go on and try to stir some discussion up? He wasnt the only one who had said nothing up to that point, why did you choose him? It seems a little bit... Dodgy to use a vote to pressure someone into talking more so soon I think. And just a head's up: Since we have people from both sides of the pond in this game there is bound to be somewhat of a delay in answers and people might be working or sleeping when some discussions takes place. We should be somewhat tolerant of this, but obviously 24 hours of no posting is not good. | ||
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On October 31 2011 07:20 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: In the interest of getting some other possible discussions going... Skrammen has now doubled his post count, using his first to say good morning and his second accuses someone for trying to stir up discussion with a vote "so soon", as well as a preemptive excuse for not being active: The only people that benefit from a delayed discussion is obviously the mafia, they'd rather it never happen. Also, while his statement is true, I think it was fairly obvious to most people, and scum always like to have an excuse to fall back on. So FOS on Skrammen for now. Ah. Well, you see I was only trying to clarify some things so they are clear. I did not however, encourage it. + Show Spoiler + The only people that benefit from a delayed discussion is obviously the mafia, they'd rather it never happen. Also, while his statement is true, I think it was fairly obvious to most people, and scum always like to have an excuse to fall back on. I think we both might be talking without saying anything now; both of these things are quite obvious, yet we both had to say it. What I said was just that; A head's up just in case people did not know. Honestly I think this is pretty bad grounds for accusations. I still maintain that a vote 4 hours into the game is pretty suspicious, but not enough to be convinced he is red. + Show Spoiler + I can take my vote back at any time. The vote was just there to promote talking which it did just that. What was alot more interesting was Toad's post and how it was received. I personally think blues should post and help the town or they stand out to mafia and playing safe and become much better targets. Also mafia rarely mention blues for the simple fact that it makes them look more like mafia hunting for blues with any mention of blues. The same goes for blues themselves, they want to hide with town and do their job. I think Toad was just trying to prevent what happened last game to happen this game. However his post doesn't say anything more then "post guys" which doesn't further along any conversation it just increase his post count which in my opinion is all mafia try to do for the first day. On October 30 2011 22:54 hacklebeast wrote: Show nested quote + Unnecessarily trying to start a town panic? Baseless accusing people that, under your own admission, have no evidence against? Sounds like very mafia things to do. I'm not going to go so far as to cast my vote yet, but I'm watching you. Besides, I could never have committed the crime. Gmarshal I could take or leave, but killing ponies? I don't have it in me to take out something this lovable. I wasn't starting a town panic, though it seems to have caused you to panic a little. Your response to my vote seems to be an emotional plea involving ponies and a FOS but little more then that. It seems as if you are trying to not draw any sort of attention to yourself even after a vote has already been placed on you. Normally I would take this as a scum tell but it seems more like a newbie tell then a mafia at this point. Then there is Ciryandor, he defended me and my baseless attack on someone. The only time I usually am defended is when scum are trying to buddy up with me. Or since he has played a few games he is just trying to let newbies know what I was doing. Still FOS for now. This is his answer to why he did it, and to be honest, it worked, he got stuff going which is good. I will be keeping an eye out, but at this point his reasoning seems good enough for me. As you said earlier, delaying discussion is indicative of scummy behaviour, or perhaps it might not be? An elaborate ruse? | ||
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In an earlier post you said the following: + Show Spoiler + I personally have a good vote that I want to expound on right now, but I want to see more posting from that person before I cast it, as it may yield more information on him. And now you have decided to vote me. Did you already make up your mind before I did my post? As far as I can tell, the only thing you seem to base your suspicion on is the fact that I made a point about timezones. I think you are over-analyzing things way too hard, stop looking for something who is not there. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Definitely FOS on Zanfada now. Needlessly aggressive, fos on ciryandor for defending him, even though what you did at first was a smart and good thing to do as it opened discussion. And yeah, having almost no evidence for any of his fos but saying a lot of empty words is kinda :/ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278558¤tpage=11#210 + Show Spoiler + Toad i did not fos ciry. Filter my posts and look at them if you dont believe me. I only fosd zanfa, and noted suspicion with you that i have since withdrawn. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278558¤tpage=12#234 Not once did you FoS on me, yet you preffered to vote me instead of zanfa. You also FoS'd Ciry but claim you didnt. You seem to be a bit everywhere, throwing suspicions left and right. To me, it appears like you are trying to be a bit of an instigator while saying very little of substance. You've posted nearly as little as I have done, and you say you vote me because of lack of activity? ##Vote Chocolate | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + That said, the 3 people up for the chopping block are Skram, Toad, and myself. Out of those three Skram looks like the best target. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278558¤tpage=14#268 I still maintain that these are poor grounds of accusation. At first glance, Toadsstern seem very eager to appear very pro-town. I dont think I like the idea of lynching for the sake of lynching. + Show Spoiler + The most important part right here: You think Skrammen is the easy wagon? I thought the easy wagon is either zanfa or me for mafia since there used to be always a couple of votes on both of us. Something like 1 or 2. Skrammen only started once ciry voted for him. Again, I would love to get you lynched first but he's looking scummy too and I for sure don't want a no-lynch as that's just the same as lynching a townie while leaving everything in the dark because we got no information out of votings or posts. But thats not strictly true, is it? You voted me after the heat dropped of zanfada, and the wagon came-a rolling my way. Most of his other posts are quite confusing, which may or may not be because that his first language is not english, but it can be a good excuse. If you decide to lynch me anyway, and I do flip green, there's a good chance all of the scum will be among those who are most adamant about lynching me. If I flip red, then risk and bunneh got some 'splaining to do. | ||
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On November 02 2011 01:36 Zanfada wrote: can you comment on this skram, the choice of words is still bothering me. Just stating the obvious. Why say I might red if I am scum? Well, if I was, would I tell you? Are you desperatly trying to find a reason to get me lynched, again? What about you. So far, the only thing you have done is come in, instigate somthing on someone else, defend yourself when you got under pressure only to disappear again. And here you are again. | ||
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The reason for this is that at that point, bunneh and risk were defending me, and thus me flipping would be bad news for them. Perhaps pretty redundant but still true. So lets think about it. Risk turned out to be green. If I were a red, how would I benefit from his death? He blocked my lynch, and he seemed pretty adamant about my affiliations. Now that he's gone it might reinforce any suspicions you have of me or toad, which is exactly what the scum wants, they want either of us lynched on day 2. Your vote for Drem earlier was a vote for the sake of voting, nothing solid to go on. Your unvote was also on very poor grounds. What I do think of this situation is that me and toad are just two townies pointing fingers at each other. I've not removed you from my list of people to look at, but at this point in time, I do not think you are a scum. You're pointing fingers at basically everyone in this game, which is either poor mafia play or good townie play. At this point its obvious that either one of us is a scum, or none of us. Lets look at the votes from the previous day: + Show Spoiler + 1. risk.nuke Toadesstern 2. HarbingerOfDoom Skrammen 3. Toadesstern Skrammen 4. Zanfada Skrammen 5. xsksc Skrammen 6. Ciryandor Skrammen 7. hacklebeast toadesstern 8. Skrammen Chocolate 9. hyshes Zanfada 10. Drem903 Zanfada 11. IMABUNNEH Toadesstern 12. Chocolate Skrammen I do not think there would be more than 1 mafia voting for me. Risk voted Toadsstern and we know he turned out to be town. Hacklebeast also voted for him, and so did bunneh. But what if we consider hyshes and drem's vote on Zanfada to be a safe-vote, so to speak? Or do you think this is very poor mafia play? At this point im not sure, but im pointing my finger on drem. + Show Spoiler + the people i've accused genuinely accused: Zanfada (not great reasoning, but it was only my first day, and he just seemed suspicious), SKrammen, YOU, hackle, and Toad. If we say that he would not accuse a fellow mafia, there is stil chocolate, bunneh, hyshes, ciry, xskcx and HoD left. Now, I believe there is somthing there worth investigating. + Show Spoiler + Of those 5 Toad and SK are the one's i've been constant about, and toad is the only one to make any real accusations against me. Zanfada i hold no real suspicion of anymore. Why not vote me? Seems like an easy lynch. It would probably give you some answers, too. But you knew that I would flip green, and when that happened you do not want to be on the list as a scum. + Show Spoiler + 1) His posts are long when a simple reply could answer the question (disregarding his analysis post on risk). As scum he's using longer posts to try and cover all possible points that could indicate him to be Mafia. Yes, or perhaps his excuse is a valid one. I made a comment about time-zones and it nearly got me lynched. + Show Spoiler + 2) The only person who would benefit from Risk's death is Toad. Now, my earlier statement on that was it could be a Mafia ploy to distract us, but that would also be immediately obvious so it could be a double trick (kill risk to get suspicion on toad, but we realize that and stop focusing on toad, and then toad is mafia so it was just a convoluted trap that could work). At this point it just gets into an infinite chain of back and forth. Now this is interesting. You're right - it could be a double trick. Or a triple trick, or whatever. I think getting rid of risk is too obvious, and I dont think it would benefit him. Sometimes there is not a hidden meaning, and sometimes the most obvious answer is the right one. But we can not be 100% certain untill we get some lynching done. At this time, I believe Drem to be a valid lynch. Another day without a lynch is getting us nowhere. ## Vote Drem903 | ||
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During the 2~ hours it took me to write up a post i changed my mind about this. I still think his reasoning was poor, but I found what I think is a better reason for it, and I went with it. | ||
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On November 03 2011 11:09 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @Skrammen Since you reappeared, I would like to reassert my earlier request; If you value your life, please make a post of the following: 1) At least 2, preferably 3 people you think are scum 2) Explanations and some analysis of why you think they are scum 3) At least 2, preferably more, people you think are town, excluding yourself 4) Explanations of why you think they are town 5) What you think the goal of the risk.nuke shooting was I'm going to reply to this quickly for now, and I will come back with a more thorough respons once I get my sleep. I've been busy all day and its getting late over here. 1) At this point I think atleast Drem is a scum. Im suspicious of Hyshes and chocolate, but Toad is still on my radar. 3) I think Bunneh is a townie. Ciry seems pro-town and I havnt made my mind up about the rest of them, but im about 50-50 on Zanfada and yourself. 5) I believe the biggest reason for getting rid of risk is to get either me or toad lynched today. If I get lynched and flip green, toad is very very suspicious. If toad gets lynched and flips green then that would put pressure on me and those who pushed toad the most. | ||
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On November 03 2011 11:28 Skrammen wrote: I'm going to reply to this quickly for now, and I will come back with a more thorough respons once I get my sleep. I've been busy all day and its getting late over here. 1) At this point I think atleast Drem is a scum. Im suspicious of Hyshes and chocolate, but Toad is still on my radar. 3) I think Bunneh is a townie. Ciry seems pro-town and I havnt made my mind up about the rest of them, but im about 50-50 on Zanfada and yourself. 5) I believe the biggest reason for getting rid of risk is to get either me or toad lynched today. If I get lynched and flip green, toad is very very suspicious. If toad gets lynched and flips green then that would put pressure on me and those who pushed toad the most. 2) I dont have much to add to my previous post where I laid out some of my thoughts and voted for Drem. But I thought that both hyshes and Drem were mafias, but Hyshes voted Drem earlier. Now, this could be a ploy or one of them is green. If we do lynch Hyshes and he flips green, I will look even closer at Drem. As for Hyshes, I honestly dont have much to add to your thoughts regarding the matter. One thing is that he did not vote for the easy lynch, because being on the list when I flipped green would spell bad news for him. I think this is a pretty good scumtell. If he flips red we should pressure everyone else who did not vote for me hard, as there is likely to be scum among them. And I do not like one bit his defeatist attitude. If you are green and you do this, you are only hurting the town. 4) So far it seems to me that both Bunneh and Ciry are townies because they are both very pro-town. Stirring up discussions and the like. To be very honest - I have not looked as much from this angle, I've been pretty busy both defending myself and trying to discern who are scums. So, unless hyshes makes a solid defence for himself I guess im with the bandwagon. ## Unvote Drem903 ## Vote Hyshes | ||
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On November 04 2011 03:03 hyshes wrote: The retarted logic refers to toad's posts. HarbingerOfDoom's post does not make sense either, it's a wall of sh*t. If you think its a wall of shit perhaps you could point out its flaws rather than give in | ||
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Regarding the Me vs. Toadsstern thing, at this point two options seem to be possible: 1. One of us is scum. This seems to be the general consensus, and we've been in each others throat for most of this game. But if toad was green then the mafia should have used this, because if Toad gets killed by mafia, I would have been lynched already. But if we consider Toad to be a mafia, the scum will not touch me, because if I die it gives you pretty good information on him. 2. Neither of us are scum. I'm not quite sure about this, but I've mentioned this previously. I think this is the least likely of the two. Also, I noticed somthing Toad said: + Show Spoiler + Ok I'm back and lol we got a hero medic We cant be sure there is a medic, yet he automatically says there is one. A scumslip? Although, to be fair, I do not think the mafia would abstain from trying to kill someone, so we might have one. I cant be for sure if this is a scumslip or just a lack of clarification, but it does seem a bit suspicious to me. | ||
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On November 05 2011 23:48 Toadesstern wrote: but it's awesome. The very moment I post something that's so clear and I don't need to explain it someone shows up and yells at me that I'm scum because you can interprete it in a way nobody does until he's forced to do so by some magical power. I don't know if that's a townie being overeager to find something where nothing's to be found or a mafia trying to get people on me again. I'm still kinda shocked since hyshes flipped green. If I have to stop lynching people like hyshes I'm just not sure by what standars I'm supposed to go. A mafia yelling he's mafia? Yeah that happened last game and he got banned for that. But given those two things (mafia yelling he's mafia and what hyshes did) I'm just having problems imagining something you're able to do that makes you more mafia than hyshes actions and at the same time less than a mafia yelling he's mafia because that's a banreason. Everything you say will be analyzed and scrutinized, and thats how its supposed to be. | ||
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