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On September 17 2011 09:57 kitaman27 wrote: sandroba, you mentioned you won't be around until Sunday. Will you be providing your opening thoughts today so you don't earn yourself a free pass in the day one lynch? Would you provide some info why would you like to heve me lynched? And why would you ever want to claim you have/had The Ring (at least at this stage of a game - or with this stage of info). Do you really think it's wise? | ||
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On September 17 2011 15:52 TranceStorm wrote: I don't understand why someone saying 'I had the ring guys, I managed to pass it off, but I'm not saying to who' would be that harmful. If they do so, they can also reveal what the ring does which reduces much of the speculation about what the ring actually does and how it affects the game. I agree that there is uncertainty. That's why I dropped the whole 'chain' part. I see that it is far too risky and I assumed to much. But having one player (who can choose to do this or not and specifically when they want to do so as well) claim after passing the ring on and telling the town about the ring's effects would help. Of course, this would cause alot of scrutiny, but that would be no different from when any other person claims a role. And if you believe that I'm scum, that's fine, but you would be making an incorrect choice. In the end, it was simply an idea I had to bounce around ideas. Did our discussion harm the town? No it didn't. That would be harmful IMO becouse of following reasons: 1. IMO it's obvious that mafia want's to control the Ring. 2. If I was mafia, i would want to know every info i can get of the Ring, especially in the first day when there is nothing much to talk about besides the hidden powers in game. 3. Do you think it would be more benefit to town (than to maf) to claim you passed the ring, and revealed what you could do with it. Consider tha following scenario: I had the ring and just passed it. I claim that, and i also claim the power of the Ring. If mafia believes my claim, they have one less suspect of ring carriers. They also could analyze my posts and have at least some idea who i did pass the ring (and for sure who i did absolutely not pass it). When i claim what the ring does, i could think that it would be at least softclaiming my role (considering the ring plays different with different roles). So TranceStorm, do you think this scenario benefits town over mafia? Or does anyone think i got something wrong here? | ||
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On September 17 2011 18:23 Drazerk wrote: Find scum and we will give you the ring. Not the other way around. rofl, exactly my thoughts. What are you going to accomplish with that attitude WBG? | ||
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On September 17 2011 20:57 prplhz wrote: So if the ring bearer is lynched the ring goes to a random person who voted for him. This will encourage all scum to all vote for the person who is most likely to get lynched, so scum will have a bigger chance of procuring the ring. This makes it twice as important to have at least two candidates with as many votes as each other. This doesn't make any sense. Scum could possibly have vote altering powers. Also the more townies vote someone, the more likely it is to get the Ring to town. | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Contributed nothing this game so far now just announcing a sheep vote. Explain why. Why is prplhz more convincing than other candidates? What do you think about the gollum/ring discussion? I have already told it earlier, if you cared to read. Here. On September 17 2011 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: This doesn't make any sense. Scum could possibly have vote altering powers. Also the more townies vote someone, the more likely it is to get the Ring to town. At this point i find nothing more suspicious than this. And for the gollum thing. I don't think he would be worth lynching, yet. For the Ring discussion i have stated my opinion. Feel free to filter and check out what my opinion is. | ||
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@ Sandroba: I didn't even think i had a "case" against prplhz. He chit-chatted about the ring, and when i put up some pressure vote against him (after a proposition that was imo bad), he responded something about my total postcount in TL forums. I actually found that as an insult. Like this: On September 18 2011 06:15 prplhz wrote: wow what a 100th post i'm so blown away i want to vote for me too now My suspicions went up. Then he came up with a post against DrH (which was actually pretty good, now that i read it again in a different mindset). (actually this is the last post i've seen him post before i was off internet) I was never even sure my vote would stay on him, at least if I was there like ~2before voting ends. Not becouse of prplhz's posts, but becouse of other ppl's posts. I clearly see what did you mean there. I just couldn't get online earlier. On September 19 2011 15:10 sandroba wrote: This rayn guy looks terrible aswell, do you have any previous games I can skim through? And yes. I am terrible. And No, i havn't played any games before, so no skimming trough sry. :/ _____________________________________ For the Errandor case. I would have never switched my vote to him. I think mafia got an easy "out-of-nowhere-target" becouse of his "lie". But if you think about it. Was he lying? About the edited post: On September 19 2011 06:24 Erandorr wrote: wrong thread -.- sorry On September 19 2011 06:24 Erandorr wrote: oh shit i thought this was the voting thread crap :/ I think he thought he posted in the voting thread (cos Mig's votecount is couple posts up), and then by some reason edited it. He even stated it later on. Where was he lying? prplhz's vote on him is obviously well reasoned. He didn't want to get lynched himself. I think we should look after some other ppl who voted him at day 2. Also we should look around ppl who voted prplhz, cos there we find scum for sure (somebody mentioned it before right?). ______________________________________ I also agree that all the lynch targets day 1 were awful. Day 2 my suspicions are on DrH and Chaoser, maybe some other ppl too. Let's get to that when I'm back from work (smth about 18:00 CET, that would be 17 hour from now). | ||
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He gets a day 1 free pass. His suspects are at night 1 mostly lurkers. Then he states that all the lynches were terrible (which is true) to get much of town credit. However i don't understand either, why noone did see the Ciryandor/prplhz case as it was after the claim. But when I came back and read the thread, it was obvious. All ppl he claimed obvious town are now dead (minus prp, and he was protected). Then his case about DrH. First he says: "I think docH may be mafia but I'm more curious about chaoser right now." After some time it goes to: "DocH I really can't tell" And last: "I'm trying to decide who to lynch amongst jackal/igrok/ggq/on/palmar." Did you miss DrH there? Even after prp's suspicious post about DrH (and he was confirmed town later). After that DrH is modkilled and flips Sauron lol. _______________________ Actually, I want you to all think yourself at the position sandroba was @ night 1. For me it's kinda easy, cos I was nearly at the same position. I was cut off internet, but at least I had to do something day 1. I'm not saying you are 100% mafia, but this is a scenario I find interesting too. All I'm saying don't give him another free pass (to town) just becouse he's play was very pro town night 1. I could have done the same, even though I'm terrible. | ||
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On September 20 2011 22:33 kitaman27 wrote: Err sorry chaos. Hope to see you around again in the future. I may have been wrong, but at least I'm trying to make a case towards someone. syllo, GGQ, supersoft, Vain, JeeJee, GreYMisT, rayn, cyber, iGrok, heist, Drazerk, Pryro....its as if they are all dropping by to make a post or two, maybe pushing a lynch half heartedly and then not posting again for another 12 hours or until someone brings them up. It's really hard to distinguish where one stands from another with their current activity. I was about to push a lynch DrH actively day 2, but now it's irrelevant. You can chech my post at the beginning of day 2, where I told my main targets. I will focus on reading chaosers and sandrobas posts carefully today, and I have some other suspicions too. Sandroba was @ that list in the beginning of day 2, and my suspicions went up cos of DrH flip. Kitaman, what do you think of my earlier post (about sandroba)? | ||
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On September 18 2011 03:25 chaoser wrote: Like radfield said, let's lynch scum not for info. What suspicions do you have? What do you think about prplhz? This is your first post and it leaves much to be desired. Guys, wherebugsgo, trancestorm, and drazrek are horrible lynches. They're not hiding behind anything. They are being very open and contributing, if they really are scum, as long as they keep contributing like they are now, we WILL figure it out.' I already talked about WBG and trance, and for drazerk mafia generally don't join votes so early on, especially a vote on one as silly as greyjoy's. They rather point out how ridiculous it is and try to get town cred through seeming "correct". I said I leaned townie on drh and drazrek which isn't that intense a statement so I don't understand why jcarlsoniv finds it such a large leap. Will be keeping an eye on you. For the time being I hope people can see why prphlz is acting scummy and vote him over all the "easy targets". He thinks DrH is town, i'll come back to that later. On September 19 2011 07:32 chaoser wrote: Radfield, I'm all for voting eraddorr off especially given his "wrong thread" lie. I still however think prplhz is mafia. You once said "I agree 100%". Was wondering what you opinion on him now is. It wasn't a lie. On September 20 2011 08:19 chaoser wrote: Woe is my life as I have been shot. Thankfully I am not dead. Don't worry though shooter, I have your bullet and I hope to return the favor. I always repay my debts. I don't think he was shot, though, I might be wrong. On September 20 2011 12:39 chaoser wrote: Add sandroba to that list of likely to be townie. He was the only person to point out and call me out on the prphlz/ciryandor connection that I missed. Still trusty for DrH, also to sandroba, which I find somewhat suspicious. On September 20 2011 15:13 chaoser wrote: raynpelikoneet is probably town. Supersoft gets some town cred from this post. Even more from this one. That's it for now, and I'll be busy for the next day but people should read over DrH's previous posts and note people that he talks about but never responds to him. Mafia like to not be tied to each other so people who are directly avoiding mentioning each other or only have the slightest of mentions. He posts this AFTER DrH died. WTF? | ||
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On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote: The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles. Or then mafia didn't hit anyone and made chaoser claim a hit, that coudn't be counterclaimed? | ||
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On September 20 2011 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I meant to say chaoser posted his "thoughts" about DrH 30min AFTER he died. I think he is posting about how DrH played day 1, so we can use that to find other scum that may be connected. That's a pretty typical thing to do after a scum flips. [/QUOTE] And still he was defending DrH day 1, even in day 2 before DrH flipped? Also I was suspicious about him in the beginning of day 2, whe i read the whole thread over. I actually find supersoft likely to be town, so why wouldn't he defend us earlier? Those DrH post are pretty old though. | ||
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On September 20 2011 23:43 syllogism wrote: Why would they hit WBG? From mafia perspective he was either a possibly bullet proof third party or a lying town, and either way a likely vig target or a lynch candidate. Moreover, look at the list of players in the game and try to come up with a scum team that would prioritize wbg, especially given the other aforementioned factors. Actually i you consider my scenario about sandroba being mafia, it's very likely. He stated that WBG is his most pro town read. | ||
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