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Average game length in GSL

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Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 08:10:30
July 05 2011 21:20 GMT
#1
Edit: Weighted averages across matchups and seasons along with some other stuff at the end.

First, the average game length(all matchups) by tournament, which was the question that started it all:
http://i.imgur.com/WZmGn.png
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I used the records page on GOMTV to find the average game length on the different GSL tournaments and matchups, to see how that changed as time passed. It was basically inspired by what Day9 said in SotG 42 about how game lengths must have increased as the first seasons were mostly all ins. It doesn't show the ongoing tournaments.

Not all matchups were played enough to be statistically significant in most cases, but they were all used. The 3 first GSTL didn't have that many matches, so each matchup there is of course with a smaller amount of games and more vulnerable to random variances. The only matchups that weren't played at all in a tournament were PvP in GSL Open 3 and ZvZ in GSTL May (which is why you'll see them below the bottom in some of the graphs).

Even though Terran were doing pretty well in the first 3 GSL, there weren't that many mirror matches. The highest was GSL2 with 27 TvT, in comparison there were 48 TvT in GSLJan, 52 TvT in GSL Super Tournament and 57 TvT in GSLMay. I don't know the amount played in the other matchups, because everything but mirror matchups was pulled directly from the GOMTV stats page (they don't show avg game time for mirrors -_-).

Here's the summary of all matchups, all times are in Blizzard minutes, even though time on the GOMTV page are in real minutes. Each matchup is given from the perspective of the winner, so ZvP means a Zerg won in that game time, and PvZ means a Protoss won in that game time.

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As expected, ZvT, TvZ and TvT games last for a pretty long time, while ZvZ and PvP are a lot shorter. One interesting anomaly was GSL3 ZvZ, which had an average game time of 20 minutes with 6 games played(Nestea vs Sen, Tosyad vs FD and TheWind vs GoldenfOu).

You also have GSL3 being the season with the longest games on average, and GSLMay having the shortest games. In general the game length goes up to a top on GSL3, then get shorter until GSLMay, and have been increasing since then(but still shorter than GSL2).

These are the numbers used for the graphs, the sum row and column aren't weighted by amount of games, but I hope it wouldn't have made the numbers completely different (weighting would mean if there was 10 1 hour PvZ but 1 10 minute PvP and PvT, the weighted average would be 52 minutes for Protoss instead of the 27 minutes that the simple sum column would show).

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Graph in the PvT matchup
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PvZ
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ZvT
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Protoss wins
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Zerg wins
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Terran wins
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Mirror matchups
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Another thing I did for fun was a way of calculating the chance of getting different matchups in semifinals and finals of a tournament, given the way the brackets were set up with the different races and that each player had a 50% chance of winning the series. Since it's not 50% chance to reach the next it's not really useful for anything, but was still a bit fun to work it out.

With that spreadsheet the Super Tournament had a 3.7% chance of getting the TvT TvT semifinals it did, with TvT TvZ at 11.2% being most likely and PvP PvP at 0.03% being least likely.

Edit:

All the next are weighted by amount of games. It doesn't mean all the above are wrong, it's just the correct way to show total averages in a tournament.

First, the average game length(all matchups) by tournament, which was the question that started it all:
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http://i.imgur.com/WZmGn.png
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Then, the game length in a matchup put together by tournament, to compare between matchups:
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Average game length over the seasons so far, sorted by game length and showed by matchup(ZvP is still only for games zergs won, ZvP/PvZ is for both put together):
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And then some stats used to make the graphs in the end:
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Some fun facts from that (remember all are in game time):
-There's been 1386 games up to and excluding the current seasons so far, at a total of 432.5 hours.
-There's been 392 ZvT, 358 PvT, 272 TvT, 218 PvZ, 77 PvP and 69 ZvZ.
-134 hours of ZvT, 108 hours of PvT, 92 hours TvT, 65.5 hours PvZ, 17 hours of ZvZ and 15.7 hours of PvP(even with 8 more PvP played).
-The teamleagues had a different matchup that was played most for each one. The first had PvT (18 vs 8 TvT at second place), the second had TvT (13 vs 10 ZvT at second place) and the third had TvZ (17 vs 9 ZvP).
-The average GSL game is at 18:43 in game time.
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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
July 05 2011 21:21 GMT
#2
Fun data. Nice work bud.
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 05 2011 21:21 GMT
#3
GSL3 has the longest on average? I thought that was the cheese season of 2 Rax SCV all-inning 90% of TvZs?
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
July 05 2011 21:21 GMT
#4
Very cool someone took the time out to make this.
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Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
July 05 2011 21:23 GMT
#5
GSL2 was the 2 rax SCV stuff, im pretty sure. That is when I became MKP fan4lyfe.. Even now as Zerg.

Cool data man !
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Mulu731
Profile Joined July 2010
United States99 Posts
July 05 2011 21:24 GMT
#6
Wow! Awesome!
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 21:26:43
July 05 2011 21:24 GMT
#7
Good work. Glad that you went through the effort. May I ask for the reasoning behind matchups like ZvP and PvZ separated? Is it possible to output graphs that combine them?
Thank God and gunrun.
rickybobby
Profile Joined October 2010
United States405 Posts
July 05 2011 21:26 GMT
#8
thats interesting and most of it makes sense, but i wouldnt have thought that gsl may would have the shortest average
Binabik
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany686 Posts
July 05 2011 21:26 GMT
#9
Very interesting, thank you =D

Really shows the game development (for example Zerg wins a lot of ZvT late-games lately because of infestor/broodlord)

I love the PvP one hahaha
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
July 05 2011 21:26 GMT
#10
What the hell?

I would have bet my life that this graph would look completely different. Interesting.
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LesPhoques
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada782 Posts
July 05 2011 21:26 GMT
#11
On July 06 2011 06:21 ZAiNs wrote:
GSL3 has the longest on average? I thought that was the cheese season of 2 Rax SCV all-inning 90% of TvZs?


I believe GSL2 was 2Rax SCV all-in fest.
Binabik
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany686 Posts
July 05 2011 21:26 GMT
#12
On July 06 2011 06:24 Primadog wrote:
Good work. Glad that you went through the effort. May I ask for the reasoning behind matchups like ZvP and PvZ separated?

ZvP = zerg wins
PvZ = protoss wins

shows you which race is stronger in lategame
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
July 05 2011 21:27 GMT
#13
Maybe they are Zerg wins and Protoss wins, respectively?
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
July 05 2011 21:27 GMT
#14
Ah, that makes sense. Any chance of outputting graphs that combine them?
Thank God and gunrun.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
July 05 2011 21:28 GMT
#15
Haha the pvp graph is amazing.
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
July 05 2011 21:28 GMT
#16
so the average GSL game is almost 18 minutes thats a lot longer than i expected
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
July 05 2011 21:29 GMT
#17
On July 06 2011 06:21 ZAiNs wrote:
GSL3 has the longest on average? I thought that was the cheese season of 2 Rax SCV all-inning 90% of TvZs?

ZvT/TvZ in GSL3 were actually really long that season, with the zerg wins over terran barely being longer than TvT that season(and the longest any race had to play to win in any season). 16 games went over 30 game minutes, and only 4 were done in under 10.
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SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 05 2011 21:33 GMT
#18
On July 06 2011 06:23 Ponyo wrote:
GSL2 was the 2 rax SCV stuff, im pretty sure. That is when I became MKP fan4lyfe.. Even now as Zerg.

Cool data man !


GSL 1/2 was jan/feb when the 2rax bullshit was popular on close maps

March/april was when tank/marine vs ling/bane/muta was figured out and games started lasting a long time on big new maps
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
July 05 2011 21:35 GMT
#19
On July 06 2011 06:24 Primadog wrote:
Good work. Glad that you went through the effort. May I ask for the reasoning behind matchups like ZvP and PvZ separated? Is it possible to output graphs that combine them?

It was basically the way GOMTV had the stats in their page, so I preferred to have it that way. Makes it better to see which race was strongest against the other in which part of the game (ZvT in GSL3 was terran winning at average 21 minutes, and zerg winning at average 26 minutes). Getting ZvT and TvZ into one graph would be a bit extra work, but if it's useful it can be done, and I'd probably do weighted average game length of each season at the same time.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
DirtYLOu
Profile Joined May 2010
575 Posts
July 05 2011 21:36 GMT
#20
Great data O_o

Hats off to ya Sir.
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