• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:00
CEST 20:00
KST 03:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 227ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon415.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4543 users

Average game length in GSL - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Rodiel3
Profile Joined March 2011
France1158 Posts
July 05 2011 23:16 GMT
#41
Nicce work, interesting, thx
http://www.youtube.com/user/rodiel3 SCBW FPVOD
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
July 05 2011 23:18 GMT
#42
How did you gather all this data?
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
July 05 2011 23:21 GMT
#43
On July 06 2011 08:18 decaf wrote:
How did you gather all this data?

http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom

Found everything there, I hope it's right. I did find a few errors, for example Jinro vs Rainbow doesn't have a recorded time, but the game lasted 36:28 in game time in the VOD. I also didn't manage to get the correct average for a non mirror matchup in the first season even after triple checking (was off by 20 seconds or so), so I just trusted they were right and used their numbers.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
eXwOn
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada351 Posts
July 05 2011 23:24 GMT
#44
Very awesome!

Just as a side question, what is your guy's average game length. I think my TvZ is ~ 30:00, TvT ~ 25:00 & TvP ~20:00. Anyone else?
#2 in the world on the ladders!!! 3.31.11 :D:D:D
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 06 2011 00:14 GMT
#45
Interesting stuff...

Are you using mean or median for your averages? Given your small sample size I guess mean will have to do but of course this just makes your data way more susceptible to outliers. I wonder if your graphs look any different if you compare mean and median.

Thanks mate!
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
July 06 2011 01:24 GMT
#46
The graphs are generally marred by low sample size. This overall one is this most telling graph, because it collates the full dataset and best answers Day9's proposition that overall gamelength trended upwards.
[image loading]
If you connect the dot between GSL1 and GSL ST, you get an approximate 2-minute (ingame) increase in gameplay time and a generally visible (but high variance) trend upward.
Thank God and gunrun.
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
July 06 2011 01:38 GMT
#47
On July 06 2011 10:24 Primadog wrote:
The graphs are generally marred by low sample size. This overall one is this most telling graph, because it collates the full dataset and best answers Day9's proposition that overall gamelength trended upwards.
[image loading]
If you connect the dot between GSL1 and GSL ST, you get an approximate 2-minute (ingame) increase in gameplay time and a generally visible (but high variance) trend upward.


Seems to me that game time stayed about the same if you consider GSLs 1 and 3 as outliers.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 06 2011 01:41 GMT
#48
On July 06 2011 10:38 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 10:24 Primadog wrote:
The graphs are generally marred by low sample size. This overall one is this most telling graph, because it collates the full dataset and best answers Day9's proposition that overall gamelength trended upwards.
[image loading]
If you connect the dot between GSL1 and GSL ST, you get an approximate 2-minute (ingame) increase in gameplay time and a generally visible (but high variance) trend upward.


Seems to me that game time stayed about the same if you consider GSLs 1 and 3 as outliers.


That is part of the reason I wondered whether these were medians or means. At least you would have some idea of their susceptibility to outliers. In a sample size this small it only takes one or two very long or short games to completely skew the data.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
AndreiDaGiant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States394 Posts
July 06 2011 01:49 GMT
#49
so it is statistically proven now that pvp sucks :p
Terran Metal for the Win
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
July 06 2011 01:52 GMT
#50
How is ZvT and TvZ, PvZ and ZvP different? just curious...
Seems like bad math imo :/
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 06 2011 01:55 GMT
#51
On July 06 2011 10:52 Malpractice.248 wrote:
How is ZvT and TvZ, PvZ and ZvP different? just curious...
Seems like bad math imo :/


On July 06 2011 06:26 Binabik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 06:24 Primadog wrote:
Good work. Glad that you went through the effort. May I ask for the reasoning behind matchups like ZvP and PvZ separated?

ZvP = zerg wins
PvZ = protoss wins

shows you which race is stronger in lategame


A little reading would not go astray.

As for the math, given the small sample pool there isn't much he can do. At least he weighted them correctly. Give the guy a break.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
danblack
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5 Posts
July 06 2011 03:33 GMT
#52
Excellent job! I knew someone would pull through
Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
July 06 2011 05:27 GMT
#53
Nice to see all the data compiled. Very interesting
tianGO
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina591 Posts
July 06 2011 05:38 GMT
#54
Amazing job.
Day9 is gonna be happy .
"He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future."
StatikKhaos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States214 Posts
July 06 2011 06:05 GMT
#55
PvP graph quite hilarious
Those Bitches
xOff
Profile Joined October 2010
United States247 Posts
July 06 2011 06:13 GMT
#56
Good data, and you clearly took alot of time to gather/document all this data. I still don't think this does justice to how much getting into the late game helps zergies.
Anything can be accomplished through sheer discipline.
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
July 06 2011 06:13 GMT
#57
That. Is one crazy chart.

Mad props :D
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
July 06 2011 06:14 GMT
#58
Dear lord, good work.

I don't remember GSL 3 being that epic, lol.
DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
July 06 2011 06:15 GMT
#59
Great data. I'm really surprised though to be honest. I would have expected a dramatic increase in game time from season 1 but that was not the case.
u gotta sk8
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
July 06 2011 07:24 GMT
#60
On July 06 2011 09:14 Probulous wrote:
Interesting stuff...

Are you using mean or median for your averages? Given your small sample size I guess mean will have to do but of course this just makes your data way more susceptible to outliers. I wonder if your graphs look any different if you compare mean and median.

Thanks mate!


I'm using the mean, and including every match. The reason is that every game counts. I'm not trying to find the weight or length of an item that has a true value, and thus an outlier might be a wrong number. But if the average on ZvP was 5 minutes and the average for PvZ was 20 minutes, they'd all be outliers when compared to the average, but they'd also all be a correct representation when it comes to the average, since I'm trying to find the average of the games played in that tournament, not the true average of that match up.

While the sample size for certain matchups in a season is small, overall the amount of games played in the seasons I'd say are well within statistical significance. 160-170 games each 64 man single elim tourney and 200-210 games each Code S/A is a good amount.

On July 06 2011 10:52 Malpractice.248 wrote:
How is ZvT and TvZ, PvZ and ZvP different? just curious...
Seems like bad math imo :/

Because they all go by the winner. If you can only win by 6 pooling, but you try to stay in the game as long as possible if it doesn't work, then your average win time will be a lot shorter than your average loss time. This isn't win percentages where I can know the other part of the matchup by knowing one part, sure I'll know the time that TvZ losses are if I know ZvT wins, but that doesn't say anything about TvZ wins or ZvT losses.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
17:00
Mid Season Playoffs
Cure vs SKillous
Lambo vs goblin
Cham vs YoungYakov
ArT vs Harstem
Krystianer vs Iba
SteadfastSC212
Liquipedia
BSL: GosuLeague
14:00
S22 - Final Stream
Spine vs OctZerg
Radley vs WIZARD
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
elazer 228
SteadfastSC 212
RotterdaM 120
BRAT_OK 87
RushiSC 84
UpATreeSC 82
MindelVK 37
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2130
Sea 1219
EffOrt 567
Mini 405
BeSt 306
Stork 197
firebathero 170
Mong 162
ggaemo 143
Light 143
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 119
Larva 106
Sharp 81
Rush 65
Hyun 55
JYJ 45
Free 41
910 30
ToSsGirL 29
Bale 27
Hm[arnc] 18
Sexy 17
Barracks 15
Terrorterran 11
Dota 2
Gorgc7339
qojqva1718
Counter-Strike
fl0m1731
x6flipin558
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King107
Heroes of the Storm
XaKoH 156
Other Games
Grubby1593
B2W.Neo780
C9.Mang094
ArmadaUGS71
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick33610
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile134
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3347
• TFBlade876
Other Games
• imaqtpie632
• Shiphtur338
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6h
Replay Cast
16h
CrankTV Team League
17h
OSC
19h
Big Brain Bouts
22h
Replay Cast
1d 6h
RSL Revival
1d 15h
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
1d 16h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 16h
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
2 days
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Heroes Pulsing #3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.