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b_unnies
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On July 06 2011 08:13 andyrichdale wrote: That's 18 Blizzard minutes which is just under 13 real minutes 13 real minutes doesnt matter anyways considering all tournament games is calculated in blizzard minute | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:21 ZAiNs wrote: GSL3 has the longest on average? I thought that was the cheese season of 2 Rax SCV all-inning 90% of TvZs? GSL3 had me vs Ensnare (50 minutes), MarineKing vs NaDa (2x40 min games pretty much), me vs MC game 1 (prob almost 30 min?), Ensnare vs IdrA (prob at least 30 min?)... and so on. Lots of really long games. I think it had Leenock vs Clide too? Anyway, 13 min avg game, eh not too bad - Id imagine BW is about 15, at least thats what my avg length was when I checked my old ladder database back in the day. | ||
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DruidzHistory
Sweden231 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
edit: Ah, it's who won the matchup, nvm. | ||
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Flowsick
Estonia234 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On July 06 2011 16:31 Liquid`Jinro wrote: GSL3 had me vs Ensnare (50 minutes), MarineKing vs NaDa (2x40 min games pretty much), me vs MC game 1 (prob almost 30 min?), Ensnare vs IdrA (prob at least 30 min?)... and so on. Lots of really long games. I think it had Leenock vs Clide too? Anyway, 13 min avg game, eh not too bad - Id imagine BW is about 15, at least thats what my avg length was when I checked my old ladder database back in the day. Leenock vs Clyde was GSL2 iirc. I can believe that the TvT viking tank stalemates which were hte meta game of the day. | ||
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Arccotangent
519 Posts
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On July 06 2011 16:31 Liquid`Jinro wrote: GSL3 had me vs Ensnare (50 minutes), MarineKing vs NaDa (2x40 min games pretty much), me vs MC game 1 (prob almost 30 min?), Ensnare vs IdrA (prob at least 30 min?)... and so on. Lots of really long games. I think it had Leenock vs Clide too? Anyway, 13 min avg game, eh not too bad - Id imagine BW is about 15, at least thats what my avg length was when I checked my old ladder database back in the day. You actually have 2 out of the 3 longest games ever played in GSL, 1st place against Ensnare in GSLJan at 51:30 (1:12:06 game time) and 3rd place against Moon in GSL3 at 39:08 (54:47 game time). GSL3 did have 2nd to 4th place in game length though(3 in top 10), but GSLJan had 4 in top 10. Marineking vs Nada was in GSLJan, Nada didn't get into GSL3. Idra vs Ensnare was also GSLJan. Leenock vs Clide was in GSL3, with an average game length of 43 Blizzard minutes in their 3 games. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On July 06 2011 16:31 Liquid`Jinro wrote: GSL3 had me vs Ensnare (50 minutes), MarineKing vs NaDa (2x40 min games pretty much), me vs MC game 1 (prob almost 30 min?), Ensnare vs IdrA (prob at least 30 min?)... and so on. Lots of really long games. I think it had Leenock vs Clide too? Anyway, 13 min avg game, eh not too bad - Id imagine BW is about 15, at least thats what my avg length was when I checked my old ladder database back in the day. GSL3 was the one MC won. The games you mention were all GSL4 (GSLJan) which MVP won. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 06 2011 16:41 Adreme wrote: Leenock vs Clyde was GSL2 iirc. I can believe that the TvT viking tank stalemates which were hte meta game of the day. Eh, that wasnt at all the meta of TvT in GSL3 - Nada vs Marineking was that long because they had an elimination race that ended with floating buildings all over the map and a really long chase around the map, X2. Me vs Ensnare was that long because we pretty muched mined out the map fighting nonstop. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 06 2011 17:02 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Eh, that wasnt at all the meta of TvT in GSL3 - Nada vs Marineking was that long because they had an elimination race that ended with floating buildings all over the map and a really long chase around the map, X2. Me vs Ensnare was that long because we pretty muched mined out the map fighting nonstop. Tank lines could be seen as "stronger" back in GSL 3 and Code A early 2011 though. Only mkp used bionic back then and abused the immobility. (like your game against mkp on Xel Naga back then) Many games were decided by people stupidly running into tank lines and losing because of it, that evolved into tank stalemates and then MvP and MkP excelled in using bionic. highpoint was MvP on Metalopis were he double expanded against a fast expand + siege and just rolled siege tanks with MMM. | ||
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nekuodah
England2409 Posts
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YourMom
Romania565 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Is it players' fault or should Blizzard take care of this? /Protoss player there | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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tertle
Australia328 Posts
On July 06 2011 06:47 Dommk wrote:IIRC, just January GSL, Protoss only had like a 23% winrate against Terran out of 50gamess Slightly exaggerated, it was 34.8% win rate and it was only 23 games. Anyway I'm slightly surprised by the results, I did kind of expect more of a increase in game length. Though I feel an average 20min game length is probably ideal for a good mix of games. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On July 06 2011 17:38 darkness wrote: According to data, zergs dominate late zvt. Thoughts? Is it players' fault or should Blizzard take care of this? /Protoss player there Only in GSL3 (who cares) and GSL ST (one tournament). Other than that it's fairly even. eta: well it's actually way more complicated, all it really indicates is what players *try* and do. If a Zerg believes they're best in the late game then most of their wins will come then, regardless of the truth, because they'll play to survive to late then win. | ||
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MrJargon
United Kingdom158 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On July 06 2011 17:44 Yaotzin wrote: Only in GSL3 (who cares) and GSL ST (one tournament). Other than that it's fairly even. eta: well it's actually way more complicated, all it really indicates is what players *try* and do. If a Zerg believes they're best in the late game then most of their wins will come then, regardless of the truth, because they'll play to survive to late then win. That's true, but also Terran has ways to beat Zerg early, while Zerg really only has baneling busts to kill Terran early. So Zerg wins are naturally going to take longer and Terran wins times are going to be averaged against things like bunker rushes and 2-rax all-ins. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On July 06 2011 17:42 tertle wrote: Slightly exaggerated, it was 34.8% win rate and it was only 23 games. Anyway I'm slightly surprised by the results, I did kind of expect more of a increase in game length. Though I feel an average 20min game length is probably ideal for a good mix of games. http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=T&season=0&leaguetype=20&leagueid=20119&gamever=0&mapid=0 In GSL January, Protoss won 12 out of 44 games against Terran, a 27.3% win rate. For sets it was 9 out of 31, a 29% win rate. ZvP is what you said though. | ||
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