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Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 16 2011 01:44 GMT
#29
/in

Bummed XL died before I could get back into it after some irl issues, but the first few days were fun. Really excited for a smaller, more intimate game.

Bow chicka wow wow
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 18 2011 15:42 GMT
#149

It wouldn't be bad at all. DT is good because they let us know where the mafia is. If they aren't doing that then they are useless. We don't score points at the end for how many blues are alive or something.

DT claiming as soon as they hit red helps us by
a. giving us a verified lynch (either the person accused or the person who claimed DT must be mafia with no miller/framer/whatever) and killing 1/3 of the mafia
b. preventing a possible mislynch (any lynch based on posting is less accurate then one based on DT check)
c. it also gives us information to find the other mafia members from the vote list, posting, etc.


I 100% dissagree UNLESS the DT is about to get lynched. If you're playing optimally it is best for the DT to hold on for as long as possible, while succesfully convincing the town to lynch who they red confirmed without outing themselves. In a game with only 12 people, having a DT get as many checks as possible is key, and outing themselves

On June 18 2011 23:23 Drazerk wrote:
5. Lord Vatti
6. Alderan

Speak up now, being silent only helps Mafia


Keep in mind guys we're less than 24 hours in, I mean, I just woke up. Just like last game (I think almost all of us were in), a list of people who are posting very generic fluff and not helping the town is much more helpful than an inactive list.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 18 2011 22:33 GMT
#159
Hoping Vatti comes and provides something useful.


##Vote: Lord Vatti

Until I see a case against someone else it's the only logical place for a vote.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 19 2011 17:58 GMT
#206
On June 19 2011 22:11 Drazerk wrote:
Right I know pretty much nothing i say will save me at this point So im going to say this

Don't trust Gtrsrs (yes i know your on my side kinda ) when i flip Green, Which I will he will claim he knew it and try to abuse that town cred for his own good later in the game

He's no where near as ruthless as the last game he's Either a power role trying to stay back or Scum

Also Alderan is still lurking so be careful


Are we letting this post slide?

Drazerk is in serious danger of getting lynched and this is his defense? I'm not ready to switch my vote just yet (obviously I will switch before a modkill, just sifting through the mindless drivel), as you just seem like a disinterested green but you have got to provide more than "well maybe grstrs is scummy, and maybe Alderan is scummy". That being said I'm looking for a response.


Give us some analysis on freeloader's grstrs post, for gods sake give us something to keep us from wasting a lynch on you if you are indeed town.

This is a general statement but please town do not go down without a fight if we are about to miss lynch. It happens every game a couple of times and it is one of the most frustrating things that can happen, aside from Mod Kills.



Happy Father's Day kids, I have some stuff with my dad this afternoon, should be back before the vote no problem though.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 19 2011 18:00 GMT
#207
Wow got ninja'd by grstrs massive rant. This will take a bit to get through.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 19 2011 18:28 GMT
#219
Ironic that Kurumi posted right before Gstrs's


On June 20 2011 03:04 aprudds wrote:
Alderan Why the sudden change of heart? Can you answer my accusations?


Like I said, I had never intended on leaving my vote on Lord Vatti, I was placing it there so that he felt pressure not only to just fluff post, but also to make some good contributions.

Currently I am waiting on Drazerk to respond before I vote him, I think the case against him is better than anyone else atm and I have serious doubts about the gstrs bandwagon. If Drazerk provides some really solid analysis then I will have to rethink my position. Going to give him an hour or so though.

Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 19 2011 20:01 GMT
#279
On June 20 2011 04:49 Drazerk wrote:
What I don't understand that is that if gtrsrs is claiming medic why does he keep asking for DT checks when there is only a 50-50 chance of there actually being a DT

Surely by him being a medic he knows that the chance of a DT is unlikely


What?

If hes a medic he knows the chances of a DT are 50/50, if hes not a medic the chances are still 50/50.

Still no post in response to those that have voted for you while posting nothing but confusing/meaningless posts.

I think gstrs is actually the medic. I think it's a terrible play, but it is the only explanation for his rash outbursts earlier when he was getting voted originally. We'll know tonight anyway, the way I see it he'll either die or he's maf.

##unvote: Lord Vatti
##vote: Drazerk

Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 19 2011 23:12 GMT
#364
I can not believe that we let them get away with this guys........


Look the entire day there were 2 people that everyone thought were the most scummy, Gtrsrs and Drazerk. What happened?!

We now just miss lynched a green without gaining ANY information. The Drazerk/gtrsrs feud almost solidifies in my mind the theory that 1 is maf and 1 isn't.

The fact that gtrsrs orchestrated a bandwagon on someone with little to no scum tells is mindblowing, and is either incredibly scummy or incredibly stupid. Tomorrow we're going to have to decide which.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 20 2011 22:42 GMT
#406
Umm what??? I got RB'd......??

So this will almost assuredly get me lynched, but the town needs to know the set up, so I had to claim.

What just happened?
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 20 2011 23:37 GMT
#412
On June 21 2011 08:20 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 07:49 supersoft wrote:
On June 21 2011 07:42 Alderan wrote:
Umm what??? I got RB'd......??

So this will almost assuredly get me lynched, but the town needs to know the set up, so I had to claim.

What just happened?


oh wait... I didn't see this... This changes everything... got to think about that


He's lying - He's scum as ive told you ages ago

What did we have 2 pages discussing?

How to confirm if there is a role blocker or not

We agreed if someone said it they was scum


Sighh.....

There is nothing else I can do but report what happened so we can go forward with the correct information.

The kill on omgCRAZY and an RB on myself make no sense to me... I'm going to go back and see if I can't find any similarities in our posts.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 21 2011 00:50 GMT
#420
After looking through omgCRAZY's actions the only similarity I can find is that we both were not among the most active. None of our voting lines up, nor do our suspicions.

I guess these findings could potentially speak to this point:

On June 21 2011 08:36 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 08:20 Drazerk wrote:
On June 21 2011 07:49 supersoft wrote:
On June 21 2011 07:42 Alderan wrote:
Umm what??? I got RB'd......??

So this will almost assuredly get me lynched, but the town needs to know the set up, so I had to claim.

What just happened?


oh wait... I didn't see this... This changes everything... got to think about that


He's lying - He's scum as ive told you ages ago

What did we have 2 pages discussing?

How to confirm if there is a role blocker or not

We agreed if someone said it they was scum


no, this isn't true
i asked the town to confirm if they were roleblocked. i'm somewhat surprised that i didn't get roleblocked. mafia is relying on me missing my saves (which i did last night) and using their roleblock and kill to try to hit the detective with either


but it's still tough to say.

My vote was on Drazerk Day 1, and I am hesitant to change it. There is no one that has been more divisive, and been more supportive of anti-town strategies.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 22 2011 19:04 GMT
#460
I have kept my vote off of Drazerk untill this point while I assessed the other arguments.

I don't get the Xedat lynch at all, I think it is painfully obvious that he is just not a very effective town. I am confident he will flip green, in which case we will have a pretty good list to choose from as it's highly possible at least 2 scum jumped on him.

The gtsrs vote seems like ONLY a reaction to his initial anger, his play has switched, and not because he is mafia but I think he genuinely realizes that it's not acceptable, and derails noobtown too easily.

My vote for Drazerk his based more on when he does not post as opposed to what he is voting. At the begining of the day he took a bunch of heat, when people realized it was either gtsrs or Drazerk so he naturally did what scum would do, which is to buddy to gtsrs. When everyone jumped on hisXedat bandwagon he hid, because Drazerk not saying anything has been better for his survival than when he's been actively posting.

##Vote: Drazerk
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 22 2011 22:53 GMT
#496
On June 23 2011 07:36 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 07:36 Drazerk wrote:
On June 23 2011 07:19 Treadmill wrote:
On June 23 2011 07:12 Drazerk wrote:
On June 23 2011 07:10 gtrsrs wrote:
i'm not but it's going to be pointless to argue my case
i made a huge error and i lost the town the game and i'm sorry


This is pretty much the case

we are playing game mode 3 so no detective = no way to determine who the mafia are as everyone suspects one another

Nothing me / gtrsrs do will convince you other whys

The town has fallen

GG Mafia Well played

And heyl,look! Drazerk is once again playing along!


I stopped playing a long as everyone was arguing with one another and I


EBWOP : My keyboard sucks - Need a new one >.<

And I was sick of it


Isn't there a word for someone that "stops playing a long" with town, and does nothing but create bandwagons that have CONSISTENTLY misslynched, and then come immediately back into the game to suggest who else is "definitely" scum?...........

Fortunately there is no way you live the next day cycle, unfortunately the town has followed you blindly into oblivion.

I urge everyone to stay active in this game, it is certainly not over, we just have to be on the "A" game.

The only other person that has voted for both the miss-lynches is Supersoft. Considering that the votes were so close, and that all 3 scum most likely didn't stack on the same person I consider both as mafia.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 23 2011 02:22 GMT
#510
I am relieved in a sense, by morning everyone will have a very solid grasp on our setup, not just me pyo, and gtsrs.

But on the other hand this means though that we will not get a save tonight, and we will not get a mafia read tonight, which could have been game changing. I just don't see the long term play, you state it forces "mafia's hand" but what do they HAVE to do? This doesn't force them to do anything. All you did was assure we would not get another DT check for the rest of the game.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
June 23 2011 23:25 GMT
#549
Its laughable......

Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game.

There are 2 scenarios to how this happened.

Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning.

The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it?

Well because they were afraid of their fearless leader Drazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place.

It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose.

If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight.


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