EPTI am totally new to this game and while I did read the rules, you will have to excuse me if I am not too good at the game.
I do hope we all have fun though!
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prplhz
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I am totally new to this game and while I did read the rules, you will have to excuse me if I am not too good at the game. I do hope we all have fun though! | ||
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Anyway I agree that we should at least for the time being consider this to be 3 goons v 6 townies as we have absolutely nothing to base any real decisions off. | ||
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But really, I don't think that people should blame anybody too much after the first 10 posts 'cause there's no real basis for it. | ||
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Right now I am mainly suspecting Mataza, mainly because of something that Mataza said early on: On May 16 2011 12:52 Mataza wrote: I think I overestimated my town  Now this statement could very well be benign but it is doing two things: degrading the town to diminish people's confidence in their ability to play this game (overestimate) making them more susceptible to get influenced by someone (himself) and setting himself up as a "leader" of the town (my town). I do not know why Mataza is trying to set himself up as a leader of the town but there are two scenarios: 1. He's a scum: He wants to control people and mislead them to vote for innocent people and keep the mafia save. 2. He's a townie: He wants to control people and lead to to vote for guilty scum and keep the town save. Either way he is trying to be a "leader" of the town and this in itself is bad. A town should never have a leader and should instead have people thinking very independently forming their own opinion, this should happen through discussion and activity of course. Mataza is very savvy and probably knows that having a leader is not good for a town, so why is he trying to set himself up to be one? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves. Now stuff that might talk against this: First: Mataza is actually not pointing fingers at anybody, I think we should be very careful if he ever decides to "lead" "his town" to vote for someone. Second (as pointed out by Mataza himself): If he is trying to lead this town as a scum would lead it we would quickly find out (we would lynch innocent people). And since we can afford losing people, trading a townie (guy Mataza would want to lynch) for a scum (Mataza) is really a good deal for the town. Maybe he is setting himself and the mafia up for mid/late game? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves. Other than that I think that all the debate around Mataza is hurting the town (we are not talking about someone else). So to stop this I am going to talk about someone else: VisceraEyes and GiygaS It is very hard for me to argue against VisceraEyes and GiygaS because I am also suspicious of Mataza. This is very hard because, while these two guys have been on Mataza's back the whole time they claim that it has been for the sake of activity. This has worked alright since these three guys are arguably the most contributing players in this game right now so their claimed plans have worked out well. But why are they not directing any of this activity against each other? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves. This gets even harder to analyze because there are two of them and thus several scenarios: Two townies being suspicious of someone? Two scums targetting an innocent townie? Or maybe the hardest scenario to deal with, one of each. I'm not going to go in depth with these scenarios, I will only present my initial conclusion: If they are scum they are not thinking long term, if they are mixed they will turn on each other, if they are townies ... Well as I said, I am also suspicious of Mataza  A final note on nard (something that Mataza cleverly pointed out too, removing some of my suspicions of him): On May 17 2011 02:25 nard wrote: i can imagine there are still some people thinking about what they could include in their first post which is not completely trivial - took me a while as well :p While this might be a whole new game for everybody it should not be hard for an innocent townie to write a simple "hello" post. Maybe nard is having a hard time writing his first post because he is a scum with a hidden agenda and then he is thinking that everybody else is having a hard time too? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves. | ||
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I see that people have started voting now, around 16 hours before deadline. This is not good people. Unvoting is very suspucious and there is still plenty of time for people to provide material to analyze. Of course some claim to do it for the sake of discussion but I still think that this is very bad. In addition to this I do not think that any of these votes are currently well founded, they are wild accusations at best. I also think that it is bad that people have removed focus from Mataza. While he might not be scum this town has him very much under control. He is very active and has agreed to answer every question directed at him. These are very useful qualities for town to find in a player, no matter if he is scum or townie. We should have tried to use these qualities to hunt scum. I would love to have waited with this post until GiygaS next post but lets just go ahead and do some analysis. I do not think that Mataza is harmful for this town just yet. He is under control so far, I would like him to be more harmful for the Mafia though. So I ask this: @Mataza : With the information available to you now, who would you lynch if you should lynch the player you think is most likely to be Scum? So I'm going to go ahead and do something that VisceraEyes has done several time. Point fingers at some random person for the sake of discussion. And this random person is going to be VisceraEyes himself. Some reasons (so it's not entirely random who I am pointing fingers at) for this: 1. He was the first person who point fingers at others. While he might have done this for the sake of discussion, I think that mostly scum would do this early on in the game. Townies would consider how the other person might be a townie and how unfounded accusations might harm the town, even if you made it clear that they are unfounded. 2. He is often analyzing his own actions. This is something I think you would (should) mainly do when you are scum. There is nothing to fear as a townie, only thing you have to consider is how the town can benefit the most from your actions. While we would all like to survive this game I think this is done best by being honest and only analytical of the actions of potential scum. 3. He has just something I would deem crazy to do if you were a townie. He suddenly said "this guy I have been bashing all game long, maybe he's not scum so I'm just gonna vote for someone and provide very limited rationale for this". This is not only very scum-like in my eyes, it is also harmful to the town. @VisceraEyes : Do you think that it is beneficial for the town that you suddenly make a 180 in letting Mataza off the hook and go full force against stefftastiq? Another player who has struck me as harmful to the town is Palmar. He has recently used some very questionable rhetorics to defend Mataza, and while it might be good that Mataza is not lynched, questionable rhetorics are always harmful to town. But on the other hand he also appears to be a very strong player who the town can make good use of later on, so maybe it is just a question of getting him under control @Palmar : Why do you think Mataza is "innocent as a newborn baby"? Gutfeeling is not an acceptable answer Think that was it for now. I will try to vote around 4 hours before deadline. Finals notes on what I think all townies should currently be aware of: Lurking townies make it possible for scum to play lurker style too. I think everybody should get up and post some analysis, if you are a townie this is absolutely the best thing you can do. We still missing a couple of you but this is making the game very much harder for town! I would consider any of the prospective modkills (Skrammen, Wunder) showing up in the nick of time to cast crucial votes for the lynching VERY suspicious. Even if they decide to show up now I think they will be very harmful to town if they don't post a lot in a very short amount of time. It is very good to have people under control; the more they post the more we can ask questions and the more we can make ourselves sure that someone is scum/townie. We will probably have two modkills but maybe it will be beneficial to town to lynch one of the least active players, to set an example, to make the game more fun, to maybe hit a lurking scum! Oh yeah and GiygaS; my nick is "purple haze" without any vowels or spaces | ||
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Hi, could you please, in a very short while, provide A LOT more content for us to analyze? I was kinda hoping you would get modkilled. | ||
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So I'm asking everybody (and that include you, person who is reading this now) to post who they would like to get lynched on day2 in case they themselves will get assassinated during the night. I think that I might be a target (hoping for a cute nurse to help me out though!) so this is probably quite relevant. This will be great for town, we can have you analytical skills readily available for day2 even if you get killed during the night! So let me say that I've cracked down a bit on the active people, but in the end I think I am going to vote for an inactive player because the evil you don't know is far more scary than the evil you do know! This will most likely only be for day1 though and I'm sure the scums already know that. So if they eliminate me it will be because they might be afraid that I will try to rally people to kill off someone who I think is a scum, and who is active. People who fit this description according to my posts so far are VisceraEyes and GiygaS, I said that if they turned on each other they would most likely be one scum, one good guy. So if I happen to get mafia killed on first night I think these are people you should really watch out for, but probably only one of them is scum! So what about you people, if you had to write a testament to the town today, what would it say? And by the way, I am going to write a vote post in around an hour, so it will be up before two hours. ((OOC: Oh and Palmar, no hard feelings about the "idiot" thing  )) | ||
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##Vote Skrammen Reason for this is that he just comes in 8 hours before day1 ends, casts and vote with 2 paragraphs of resonable and does not respond to our pleas that he post some more content. I am going to be honest with you and say that maybe he's not the one who is most likely to be scum but I think he's the most harmful for the town right now. If I should have voted for most likely to be scum I would vote for VisceraEyes for reasons I have already stated. Also his latest post is not really convincing me of anything else either. To answer the post VisceraEyes just made, the one that was mainly about me; No I don't control anybody Other than that I can't seem to find anything in your post I should need to comment on because mostly you're just saying that you disagree with what I said. | ||
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@VisceraEyes I don't think that I did an 180 comparable to yours. You were much more vocal against Mataza than I was against anyone and then you suddenly make a vote against someone, with the rationale "this is for drama". I was never very vocal in my accusations, and my vote is accompanied by more rationale, and supported by stuff I had said earlier on "I think it is better to vote for inactives that supposed scum because there are so many townies". @Palmar Yea I'm sorry about that actually. That was totally unnecessary. I think I wrote it because I want to participate in this game, and I am very sure I am right in my opinions (that's why I put so much effort into my posts, because I think my opinions are worth it), and with a good read on this game the mafia might just target me. And I don't want to get killed, I'm just getting started here! Anyway, any nurse should of course make his/her own opinion on who to protect. But you are very right, that was actually very stupid of me to disguise a plea for help as a joke. And then of course there's the 3rd scenario of me being scum, don't forget that! | ||
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@VisceraEyes If you don't plan on playing I hope you will quit it so we can get a replacement. In the unlikely event that this somewhat odd statement is just to create drama and more posts, I do not think that it will work and I don't even think it is necessary even if it will work. | ||
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Did you just read all 8 pages of posts ...... in 6 minutes? (the time from your first post to your vote) | ||
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##Unvote Skrammen ##Vote GiygaS My rationale: The whole "vote for skrammen" thing was never about him being scum, it was about him being inactive and voting out of the blue. I think that we are going to have a lot better read on VisceraEyes, Mataza and Skrammen if we flip GiygaS, while flipping Skrammen will really give us nothing. Inactive players have hopefully learned their lesson. Also I think it is very awesome that everybody voted, but it would be more awesome if everybody posted regularly too! If he does not flip red I think the VisceraEyes is the best bid for a scum next time. I'll probably be unavailable for the next 24 hours by way, and also for the first part of day1 but I will be here to answer questions just not to provide analysis. | ||
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Before you might be scum-killed On May 18 2011 11:08 VisceraEyes wrote: @prplhz I had no desire to change my vote until your 11th hour scum-switch. What was that about? Why did you want to change your vote after my "11th hour scum-switch"? Who did you want to change your vote to? I am very curious abouts this. | ||
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So you did not consider that it might be quite obvious that you voted for GiygaS to disguise your own scummyness but knowing that he would not get lynched. And then when I did my "11th hour scummy" change of vote you noticed it too late and accidentally contributed to lynch a fellow scum? | ||
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Your first post after I changed my vote was 3 minutes after the deadline, so no, you did not have time to change your vote. And yes, that is exactly what I am saying. You have already acted silly out of frustration by directly refusing to actively participate in the game anymore. I so not consider it unlikely that my change of vote frustrated you even more as you were too late to change your vote yourself. And really, even if you HAD changed your vote, if Skrammen had flipped green, something I consider very likely, you would have looked even worse. Now people should ask themselves, in all this frustration, is it not possible that you posted something that might give everybody a clue on your allegiance in this town? Your defense is basically "Do you really think I'd do something that rash and incriminating?", and I have to say; there may be a good chance that you would. Again, people, I'm not saying that VisceraEyes is a scum, but I am going to encourage everybody to put pressure on him tomorrow. He may break again. | ||
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I'm headed to work and I will not be back for around 12 hours. But I know what'll be on my mind all day | ||
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