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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
Mataza is quite active, but I do not think he is a mafia, and I do not find his behaviour suspicious. He is asking questions that I think are well placed. ##Vote Giygas | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
Although you were right to be suspicious, hell, I would be too. Yesterday was the national day in the cold north, so I did not have a lot of time to make a thorough and constructive post. I am glad, however, that we did get the mafia. Was it obvious, or a stroke of luck? I found him suspicious. I am eagerly awaiting some new posts. I'm not able to deduce anything of import from these posts, but I guess, as someone put it earlier, that I am terrible at this. | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
On May 19 2011 21:41 Palmar wrote: Look at the situation from my point of view. Skrammen was under heavy fire and he was about to get lynched, yet he hadn't provided any solid analysis or even attempted to reason. He knew why he was getting lynched, and he knew why he was getting lynched. Yet he failed to contribute anything. First of all, the absence of any kind of defensive posts at that point was simply because by the time I realized I was under fire, you had already moved on and lynched Giygas. The day cycle ends at 3 in the morning for me, and it happened rather quickly. I am a bit curious as to the reason why. I do not believe the mafia would benefit from my death, as I was rather inactive and I dident really pose any threat to them. I think it is simply because its the least risky for the town. I do not believe Hiro to be a mafia at this point. Ill be back with some actual content when I get come. There's an ocean of stuff to go through. | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Its true that lurking round is a good place for scum to hide, as there is little evidence to indict them. how ever all but 3 of us have posted and I doubt that ALL of the inactives will be scum... best bet is a scum has already posted, so we should try to sniff em out! If we don't have a good lead by tomorrow, then we should ask the lurkers to step up and explain themselves... This is one of his first posts. Note that he is very eager to start scumhunting. He cares little about inactives. + Show Spoiler + Ok, here are my thoughts so far, the first two people I gonna talk about are the ones i have the most read on/talked the most o far: VisceraEyes: He was the most active in the first few pages, with most of his post wanting simply for all active players to say hi. Also mentioning not to take suspicions of one another as a bad thing. I can agree with this line of logic, as it will foster a more friendly town, and get in on the scum hunting. His FoS of Mataza looks more like a call for discussion then an actual accusation. my worry is that he is almost TOO town, and is a likely prime hit for Mafia, unless of course he IS Mafia. Mataza: considered the most suspicious as of right now, and with good reasoning. His first post was one of feinting a cop role. and Has been very Defensive initially when VisceraEye ask a question. Then he points the finger right back at VisceraEyes. after that he claims that he "just wanted to see how you would react". However he made a good post about how he wants to talk about what everyone else thinks, and his post are in the vein of scumhunting (when his not busy defending himself). not sure what to think of him tbh. Next up GiygaS, nord, Palmar,: These 3 have the most posts with the least amount of Analysis. most likely town wanting to hang low or wait and see before going into to much discussion. GiygaS has done the most in getting discussion going, expesialy around what VisceraEye and Mataza have been saying. not alot to go on. prplhz: quite at first but then a solid post with good analysis. Deepblue, Steff, Karshe: still need to here more from them. deepblue has gotten in pretty late with just a one liner. gonna watch to see if he is gonna just slide under the modkill, as there are still some inactives, and is laying low(as in acting scummy) thats it for now. This time, a solid analysis. He seems to be playing it quite safe: careful not to point at anyone. + Show Spoiler + Ok, LOTS to go on here, gonna give my take on things: The General feeling for the first day started like this: the town began giving intro post that most had no content. the exception to this is of course Mataza, who kinda claimed Cop, and then retracted it.( I still do not like is explanation). the first three people to really get the ball rolling where ViscaraEyes, GiygaS, and Mataza. Of the three, I liked VisEyes approach the most, and Mataza's the least. but these 3 started talking, there still talking, and its leading somewhere. the way I feel about it is the longer they talk, the long one will slip up, and for me that does not make them A high priority lynch. Is one of them Mafia? man it sure looks like it. the next list of people include me: Hiro, Karshe, Palmar, Prplhz, and nard. Of this group, Prplhz and Karshe have had the most helpful post in my eyes. Palmar and nard mostly made some general post about the situation. Im leaving me out because thats a job for someone else. Where does this leave me? I starting to look at inactives to vote for. but which one? The only one I feel right now that would be an ok vote would be Skrammen, and heres why. the only post by Skrammen is one of agreeing with Mataza, apparently for no reason, ether he is a terrible Maffia, or a terrible townie. Mataza, I want to believe your town, but the way you go about playing just rubs me a bit. I LOVE that you are taking swings at people, but as soon as some one wants to have a disscusion, you ether turn your finger on them, or call them a Bandwaggoner. I also dont like that almost every defense you say "I just wanted to see how you would react." that might be true, but it leaves me with no read on you... what would we get if we voted Skrammen? if he flips town, we got a good reason to trust Mataza. If he flips scum, well, Mataza has some explaining to do... will decide in a bit, to give more inactives time to post Another big post. This time he's after me, one of the inactive ones, despite his indication in his earlier post that they were not of priority. Again, he seems reluctant to actually point any fingers at anyone but me, the safest choice. He seems somewhat suspicious of Mataza and VisceraEyes. + Show Spoiler + @VisEyes and while I was posting you say that Jez, I was on board with you Vis, but that's just a lame attitude... Nothing to analyse here really, just putting it out there for easier referance. + Show Spoiler + gonna stay with my line of logic, and vote skrammen. I cant believe more people are not on him given his VERY little content, and insta bandwagon vote. Best case scenario: town votes GiygaS, and he flips scum. We got reason to trust one another and the hunt is in full swing. worst case: GiygaS flips green, and we have lots of suspicions. Very good chance of Mafia breaking up trust and getting us to turn on one another. good no mater what: voting Skrammen. we get ride of a terrible player, and we get a possible read on Mataza. I chose this one. Eather way, Im happy with day one. ##Vote: Skrammen This is his last post with any meat on the bones. He explains his reasoning for going the safe route: His arguments are well founded, but still very safe. + Show Spoiler + wow, drama drama :D I have some thoughts and ideas, but they can wait till dawn. Not much else to say, that hasn't been said. Lets see how the night unfolds His last post. Nothing to look at, really. Conclusion Early he seems very eager to start huntin dem scums. After some thinking, he thinks that the safe way is the best way, and votes for the safest lynch of d1. However, his rationale for lynching was just and well-founded and does not strike me as mafia behaviour. However, I am a bit worried that he is perhaps just a bit too safe, and that might hurt us in the long run. As of now, I think he is somewhat suspicious, but not enough to get me pointing the finger. From nard's analysis on him: has a medium amount of posts/content on day 1 with a reasonable townie logic. defends viscera during the early FoS'ing between matazar and viscera. he keeps being slightly suspicious of matazar and offered imo the best reasoning for voting on day 1 All in all, I do not think Hiro is one we should put our focus on just yet. As of now, I am more suspicious of Palmer, and i'll be looking closer at his posts after getting some sleep. | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
@ Mataza I find it very suspicious that you tell people to openly claim roles. This is not pro-town behaviour. I find his reasoning for lynching prplhz to be very weird. I do not think the timing of the votes is very relevant. If he flips green, then I guess prplhz has some explaining to do. ##Vote Mataza | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
On May 23 2011 10:04 hiro protagonist wrote: Im going to go back through the game and see what I can dig up. I am gonna be looking at anyone who was suspicious of prplhz after day 1. I see no reason why his vote on day 1 doesn't make him a 100% townie. The only thing I can think of is if Skrammen is also Mafia, witch would make sense to vote of the suspicious scum in favor of the less suspicious. I ask that any one else to give me another reason why prplhz is mafia if they have a reason. i would be intrigued to hear. This might just be their plan. It makes a lot of sense for them to throw giygas under the wheels when he was already highly suspicious, and in the process get a lot of support for prplhz. | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
Honestly - I do not think Hiro is a Mafia. I did a small post on him a few pages back, and I think he is not a mafia. I have been wrong before tho. If we do end up lynching prplhz and he flips green, then I would reevaluate my statement about him. As for a vote, I am still hitting my head against the wall. Is the day cycle over in 2 hours? | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Hello everyone! On the subject of me having 3 votes, I'm more worried about who could slip by. Namely Skrammen. Skrammen hasn't posted at all until suddenly, he burst on the scene: Announcing his business the last few days very vaguely, Then jumps on the current trend of voting for me, without any reasoning behind doing so. This seems very dangerous to me, so I'm going to vote for him for the same reason that prplhz has reasoned: an evil unknown is far greater then a known one. ##Vote Skrammen Now this post has been analzed up and down in excess of nine thousand times, so l'm not going to. We can assume that Giygas is not a seasoned player, like most of you are. And he is saying that his reason for voting me during day1 are not his own: but prplhz's. Now this can mean that prplhz is the puppeteer, or geniunely his own thoughts. I am convinced that the lynching of Giygas was indeed a code red (if that word works in this context, heh.) and that at least one of the scums voted for him. Let us take a look at who voted to lynch him: DeepBlu2 - confirmed green Mataza - confirmed green Skrammen VisceraEyes - Personally I doubt Visc to be a scum. However, I am wondering why he cries wolf at the end of every day cycle. Is he a prime target for the mafia or is he "faking"? Dont know if this is of relevance yet. Gonna ponder about this some more. stefftastiq - I have not yet made up my mind. Not very suspicious of him at this point. prplhz - Very suspicious. Lets take a look at what the mafia would gain from lynching Giygas: They would get rid of a bad mafia. They would get a lot of support for prplhz. So, therefore, ##Vote: Prplhz | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
What is your main reason for voting Hiro? I realized that many of you might have some questions for me. You should know that we all live in different timezones, but dont let it stop you. I check these forums every time I have the chance. | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
@Viscera Well. He is as eager as anyone to catch scum, and he might be on to somthing. Imma go over some posts and see if I can dig up somthing. | ||
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
Aye. Indeed. I was a russ at the time so i needed a few days for restitution :p Im a bit worried this night. I think that one of you more seasoned players might get taken out, which obviously is not good. | ||
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Norway195 Posts
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