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This is going to be an interesting game, I got a strange role. | ||
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I'm not crumbing, I'm just honestly stating that my role is strange. Here: WEIRD ROLE, DUDES | ||
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On April 25 2011 07:45 Impervious wrote: Honestly, I'm not sure what to think at this point. A phrase like that indicates he's not a normal citizen, however, I'm not sure what he actually is. I mean, I can't see a single reason why any role would say that..... It gives away that you have a role..... It makes perfect sense once you see the role. I might actually claim pretty early this game. Debating the merits of it. | ||
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##smite GMarshal | ||
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I will say this: keeping my role a secret is fucking stupid. If i hadn't said something now i'd have breadcrumbed and claimed later. Actually, maybe i'll do that. Checking with igrok to make sure its ok... | ||
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DSBETNLBNTF Now, on to the game. Trying to find scum's breadcrumbs is going to be extremely difficult imo. There are two ways I think we can play this game if breadcrumbing is vitally important: 1. Set up a posting standardization system where people refrain from using coloqualisms and any identifying characteristics. This system would have to be set up so that all players may only communicate using certain standard symbols or phrases. By simplifying the language like this we can dirastically reduce the ways in which breadcrumbing can happen. However, such a system would completely remove all sense of personality and also all other possible scumtells. 2. Not focus on breadcrumbing at all, except where it is obvious. If we focus on breadcrumbing, picking apart everybody's posts for clues and hints we're going to completely miss what we should be really looking for in those posts, which are scumtells. You can bet that since scum doesn't know who scum is, they are NOT going to want to vote for the scummiest players. Scum is going to act stranger than normal, so we can't waste time looking for scumtells. We can't stop the CL from pming his cronies, so looking for scumtells is a waste of time and town attention. Remember what happened when we focused on the item game in insane 2? We won the item game but lost the overall game. :/ Now, 1 is going to be pretty difficult to do, so I vote that we do 2. | ||
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Technically, theres no reason that scum needs to know who their buddies are if they know who the CL is. The CL can use them like a conductor, posting a scumlist or an analysis that triggers the agents to pick a certain person, perhaps the person third in the list or something (ie the 3rd from above). So I'll be watching scumlists to see if anybody dies from that. IMO, the cell leader is going to be posting with the best of us this game. He's got to blend in more than anyone, and since he's godfather he's immune to checks. I'm guessing that the first time the DTs 'insufficently' checks a vig and the vig is lynched, we're going to be a lot less likely to lynch on results from DTs. | ||
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On April 25 2011 23:28 Jackal58 wrote: My 3 would be tnkted Tackster GMarshall My messages to all 3 would be from shared game experiences tnkted would be a simple one My beloved. He would know exactly who sent it. Tackster would be just as easy. You're easiest. He also would know who it was from. GMarshall would be a bit more difficult but it would refer to LSB's Clues and Puzzles game where we were both scum together and LSBs first clus was basically Jackal is scum. I'd have to think about how I wrote it but it would allude to that. All of these are fun and all but basically what I'm seeing from all of these is the CL can reveal himself to cell members one at a time. Does nothing for each cell member to id each other. For that to happen something has to be left in the thread. OFFTOPIC: LOL. dude, i was searching for that post in insane 2 and i couldn't find it, you don't happen to remember what page it was on do you? | ||
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On April 26 2011 00:18 Ace wrote: I have no idea what "Twinkle Twinkle Little Scum 3rd" even refers to. Either way can you just answer the question? It does matter. Rean "GG.org #mafia powerkid follow me" he'd understand why. Jackal "breadcrumb this, my beloved" obvious reasons, follow the link ^. GMarshal "wheels on bus go round" my bus driving skills in insane 2 are the stuff of legend. If i had to write specific messages. You wouldn't get the twinkle twinkle one because you weren't in insane 2, but almost everyone else will have picked that up. | ||
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On April 27 2011 02:23 Zorkmid wrote: Not obvious to me. I think that the only roles that qualify as "weird" by definition would be the ones unspecified in the OP. It's not specified in the OP. Now can we please stop talking about this? I'll claim day2 if you people are seriously so freaked out. And yes, zork, it should be extremely obvious what I am and why I'm acting this way. NO MORE CLUES. You guys are spelling my name wrong btw, its TNK not TDK lol. Now, as for my vote: it's Impervious He's had almost nothing but one liners. On April 26 2011 07:55 Impervious wrote: I thought pretty hard about how I'd play each of the positions before the game actually started..... On April 26 2011 07:48 Impervious wrote: Oh, and I can think of a way of letting them know who the GF at the same time..... On April 26 2011 07:45 Impervious wrote: It is doable in 5 words..... Regardless of how many members are on the team..... Oneliners. Every time. Then he has this gem, reiterating an excuse already given by several people for inactivity: On April 26 2011 09:33 Impervious wrote: I don't see any real info yet either..... Btw, in case you guys are watching how people behave/how often they post - I have an exam on Wednesday, and I'm in the middle of moving from one place to another, so my posting may be erratic, without actually being caused by any game changing information that I may come across..... Several other people had brought this excuse up already. Wiggles, for example. Trying to blend in? Then we get an actual post of substance: On April 25 2011 22:38 Impervious wrote: Guys, this talk about breadcrumbing is nice and all, but I don't see it going much further at the moment. We should probably wait a while before bringing this up, so we can catch a slip up. Especially if they are trying to hide their posting in the thread. I think we should talk about the pros and cons of of double-checking anyone who gets the result of "insufficient analysis", to make it easier on the DT. The pros of double checking are that you are more sure of the result. The cons are that you could be checking someone else instead, therefore checking more people. I really think the cons outweigh the pros in this case. Thoughts? Now, I agree with not focusing on breadcrumbing this game, because its almost impossible for us to catch scum at it. But this post talks about doublechecking people. Now this isn't a scumtell in and of itself, but what is interesting is that he steals the entire content of his post from two other players: First, Sandroba saying "talking breadcrumbs is a waste of time." On April 25 2011 21:41 sandroba wrote: I think this discussion about breadcrumbs is not productive at all, specially if you reveal your strategy before you put it in practice. Doing what you are suggesting is going to make scumhunting more difficult imo. Also I don't think that's the way mafia is going to identify each other, as there are several other more obvious ways I can think of. Then vain suggesting doublechecks. On April 25 2011 11:41 Vain wrote: Hey, i'm still here too. Am going to bed now BECAUSE ITS 5 AM HERE  btw, maby dt's should double check if they get that not info sufficient thingy if they have enough time and the player looks trusted. oh well, we'll see how it plays out. Goodnight! Convinced? I am, at least enough for a day1 lynch. #vote Impervious | ||
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Some people weren't content letting me play my game (jackal, of whom I would expect nothing less, impervious, who I think is just new, and zorkmid, who got overly defensive when he was FOS'd and immediately latched onto what he considered the weakest player). This was pretty stupid on their part. I think most of the rest of the crew here understood that I was trying to draw mafia attention with my 'fake' slip. Ace certainly got it, when he called it bad play, and I think darm understood it. I didn't realize Ace was so well regarded in the mafia community, but apparently he is and he's probably going to be killed tonight. If I were scum I'd vote for him. Hopefully my gambit drew enough votes to save him. Full claim after the post. | ||
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Well, I totally misread what was happening then. | ||
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On April 26 2011 01:16 Rean wrote: How about you give us a reason as to why this is NOT a waste of time? How is knowing what everyone would pick in the hypothetical situation they're GF getting us anywhere close to catching scum? On April 26 2011 00:29 Rean wrote: the fuck is this shit. youre discussing how the gf can crumb in his messages WHEN THATS USELESS TO TOWN. seriously, we dont give a fuck how they crumb because we wont find out about it anyway if mafia is even half-decent. and now you're even making cutesy lists on who you would message if you were the GF? STOP BEING USELESS. seriously, you people are randomly discussing things that don't get us anywhere. fos list so far: ace/tnkted/more idiots filling the thread with bullshit lists Virtually all of our only dead player's posts were anti-breadcrumbing posts, and all refered to ace. They were pretty vehemenant too. I think CL sent rean a message saying that "if you're scum, argue against breadcrumbs" or something similar. Perhaps rean was confirming himself to Ace? | ||
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On April 29 2011 02:31 Ace wrote: Explain. Those 2 posts by Rean refer to me because I was the one calling him out. Other than that I don't see how the bolded statement is true. This would be a good arguement if you hadn't looked at all of Rean's posts. Go do that. The only ones that are relevant to the game at all are posts where he is talking about how stupid breadcrumbing is. I think he was fishing for other scum when he posted: fos list so far: ace/tnkted/more idiots filling the thread with bullshit lists[ He thought me or you or somebody else was the CL. On second thought, could he possibly have received a message from the CL that early in the game? CL gets to send once every morning and once every night correct? I don't think examining Rean's posts is entirely useless at this point. | ||
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On April 29 2011 17:26 Eiii wrote: Alright, busy day but I'm back. And there's been a lot to come back to! okay so this is the third time I've tried to type this up, because each time I get halfway through I realize something and restart. HERE WE GO, LAST TRY Bum's dt claim doesn't really make sense if he's town. Why do it now, especially with such a questionable result as 'no information'? Since he's so sure of who jackal's scumbuddies are, why not wait one more night and confirm that? There isn't even a chance that he could get killed and have all this be for nothing if he's smart enough to type up his case against jackal, post it a few minutes before night ends, and if he survives by the time the day post is up (and his results have gotten back) he could potentially finger the CL AND a red along with it. That seems like ideal play to me. ...so what does claiming this early get him, as blue or red? It's a huge distraction, but reds can't afford to trade one of their own just to keep town distracted for a day. The thing is, bum's DT result didn't actually show that jackal was scum, so if jackal flips green he can easily claim he just tunneled jackal... and it wouldn't even be one for one, because the next day he could say 'look to prove it I found a red last night' and just name someone kind of lurk-y who he doesn't have much of a red read on. Best case it's a green/blue and the trade becomes two for one, with town having wasted two lynches and worst case it's another red and bum gets 'confirmed'. ...anyway, that's how I see the thought processes for this claim. Neither really makes a ton of sense to me, because both are so risky. I'm holding off on voting for now, but this suspicion around bum by no means clears jackal and ace. We need to keep an eye on them, ace and bum especially. Also tnk, weren't you supposed to claim your super weird role come daytime? Yeah, I was. I'm going to hold off until this bum/ace situation is solved. You'll see why. I've been busy with schoolwork lately, sorry yall. I've already pulled out of a couple other games, hopefully I'll have time to keep playing this one! My thoughts: As far as I can read my gut is actually telling me to trust bum, which is a suprise because I usually make it a point to distrust bum as long as possible because I find his style of writing so persuasive. In this case, however, I think that he's wrong about jackal, but right about Ace. Jackal, while his style of play this game is totally different from his previous games (its an improvement Jackal! you're getting targeted partly because your meta is off!) probably isn't stupid enough to post traffic breadcrumbs in the middle of the thread. That's wifom of course, but I feel good about it. I've gotten a feeling of earnest effort from him all game that I'm willing to indulge in. Regarding Ace: Ace has absolutely refused to hop on a few things that other people have found scummy. There was my belated roleclaim, the fact that I blatantly told mafia to kill ace (which was an honest mistake, I had no intention of doing that.) Whats interesting is that he didn't die. GM died instead. I'm going to speculate for a minute on how this could have gone down: Lets say we have 5 mafia and one CL, roughly 1/3 of the total players. 1 scum is dead, which makes it 5 scum overall, 4 of them agents. What way would they vote? Since they can't communicate in the thread, and only one of them knows who the CL is (assuming that one person is told every day/flip), if we assume that that player wasn't Rean (for the sake of arguement, I still think it was), wouldn't they have a somewhat even split around who to kill? Perhaps the split went like this: 2 - GM 2 - Ace Since its a tie, the CL gets to choose. Both were extremely high profile targets. Why wouldn't Ace get killed? Theres the possibility that whoever CL is could read GM well, which is a possibility. I think that Ace cast the final vote that killed GM. This isn't conclusive, of course, its all speculation, but I think it makes sense, and since I don't want to vote for bum at this point, I'm voting Ace. #vote ace | ||
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CL Jackal/Ace - obvious reasons that have been gone over many times before. Ace is most dangerous. Agents Eiii - Eiii's meta is to be lurkylurky and then appear suddenly with a very well thought out and expressive post that benefits town. He hasn't done that this game. Varpulis - On April 29 2011 06:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote: You made four posts day 1, then right as day 2 starts, you jump right into trying to lynch Ace forgoing Jackal who you voted for day 1. You were also on GM's vig list, and that makes me want to watch you more closely, because GM died, and the scum voting for him obviously felt pressured by him or thought he was an asset to town, the vig list being those he most pressured. This is still true. I want to pressure Varpulis a little bit. Varp, who seems suspicious to you? | ||
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