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ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
October 07 2004 07:56 GMT
#1
i know the old saying that cannons are dragoons that cannot move but i noticed that 2 hits from a dragoon cannot kill a zergling but 2 shots from a cannon can kill them.

is this the plasma damage that i have heard about?
wtf is the damage type of cannons i know the dragoon is explosive 20 damage.

hmm plz explain. thx
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
Pacifist
Profile Joined October 2003
Israel1683 Posts
October 07 2004 08:01 GMT
#2
dragoon does explosive damage which does half damage to small units such as zerglings
so goons do 10 damage to lings and rines and such
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Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-07 08:04:40
October 07 2004 08:03 GMT
#3
On October 07 2004 17:01 Pacifist wrote:
dragoon does explosive damage which does half damage to small units such as zerglings
so goons do 10 damage to lings and rines and such


he just said he already knew goons were explosive...

cannons are normal damage type for some reason... i guess 125 mins and 50 gas isn't enough to install better portable cannons >_> silly protoss


edit: o and btw i have no idea what "protoss range" has anything to do with your topic?? because cannons and goons both have ranged attacks??
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
October 07 2004 08:09 GMT
#4
You can look everything up here.
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SoL.Origin
Profile Joined September 2003
Argentina2400 Posts
October 07 2004 08:12 GMT
#5
cannons suck
1 sunken would possibly beat w cannons 1v2

it would for sure if they all start building at the same time
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AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
October 07 2004 08:40 GMT
#6
cannons can hit air
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TreY
Profile Joined March 2004
United States997 Posts
October 07 2004 09:33 GMT
#7
What do sunkens have to do with this topic? :\
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red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
October 07 2004 10:02 GMT
#8
I believe cannons were originally explosive as well and to make them stronger vs Zerg(Hydras, mutas and lings would all be SO much better vs cannons if it was explosive) they changed it. Anyone confirm this? Pretty sure it happened in like 1.03 or 1.05
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ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
October 07 2004 10:23 GMT
#9
hmmm interesting
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Payt1
Profile Joined May 2004
418 Posts
October 07 2004 10:51 GMT
#10
On October 07 2004 19:02 red.venom wrote:
I believe cannons were originally explosive as well and to make them stronger vs Zerg(Hydras, mutas and lings would all be SO much better vs cannons if it was explosive) they changed it. Anyone confirm this? Pretty sure it happened in like 1.03 or 1.05
this is true, but I have no idea what patch it was in.
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ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
October 07 2004 11:42 GMT
#11
also a sunken cost so much more than a cannon and has a longer build time

also since it was weakened by 100 health and since cannons can hit air i think sunkens are inferior to cannons

1 cannon = 150 minerals short build time
1 sunken = 50 for drone 75 for creep and 50 for sunken build time for all 3 is long
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
October 07 2004 11:50 GMT
#12
i would take a sunken all they way : )
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ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
October 07 2004 11:56 GMT
#13
know what i love about sunkens
when the protoss cliff cannons his expansions and the sunkens cant do shit
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Geval
Profile Joined September 2004
788 Posts
October 07 2004 14:33 GMT
#14
On October 07 2004 20:56 ahk-gosu wrote:
know what i love about sunkens
when the protoss cliff cannons his expansions and the sunkens cant do shit


sunkens cant hit up the cliff???
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Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
October 07 2004 15:15 GMT
#15
On October 07 2004 16:56 ahk-gosu wrote:
i know the old saying that cannons are dragoons that cannot move but i noticed that 2 hits from a dragoon cannot kill a zergling but 2 shots from a cannon can kill them.

is this the plasma damage that i have heard about?
wtf is the damage type of cannons i know the dragoon is explosive 20 damage.

hmm plz explain. thx

Goons you can micro, cannons you cant
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
October 07 2004 16:14 GMT
#16
On October 07 2004 23:33 Geval wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2004 20:56 ahk-gosu wrote:
know what i love about sunkens
when the protoss cliff cannons his expansions and the sunkens cant do shit


sunkens cant hit up the cliff???

they can but usually one aims to build the cannons outside of the sunkens range where they can still hit the mineral line
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LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
October 07 2004 18:48 GMT
#17
cannons 20 damage normal cooldown 22
sunkens 40 damage exposive, cooldown 32
all turrets have range of 7(expect bunker of course)
dragoons 20 damage +2 per upgrade exposive,cool 30 range (4/6)

patch 1.02 - changed damage type of cannons from exposive to normal

so like cannons are mostly better at damage because of small cool and normal damage, but u need to cover them with pylons/gateways/forge high HP building because only 100 Hp and 100 shields, shields take full damage from all damage types so like vultures melt shields on 5 shots,firebats on 6... All buildings are considered large size so take 100% damage from explosive, and only 25% from concussive, vulture kills 100 hp on 20 shots((20-1 armor)/4=cca 5). Sunken has range attack equal to cannons range attack so it can attack up the cliff and also miss units.


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STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
October 07 2004 23:58 GMT
#18
i think it was 1.02 they changed photons to normal damage, which was the gayest thing ever. they were trying to give toss a chance against mutas. probably the same reason they turned goons gay, invented sairs.. none of those things really did the job of course and fucked up other matchups and situations even more. go blizzard!
ShadowMaster
Profile Joined September 2004
United States238 Posts
October 08 2004 03:08 GMT
#19
I've noticed over the last few days that STIMEY seems kind of cynical...

My cannons will beat your sunks vs. Mutas
And vs. DT
Unfortunately, Sunks > Cannons vs. Overlords, Shuttles, and Dropships...

Question: You have a creep colony (400 hp) that gets damaged to 50 HP as it is morphin to sunk (300 hp). When it finishes morphing, how much HP will the sunk have? I'm guessing it's something like 50 hp = 1/8 of 400, so final hp is ~76 (not counting regen). Is this right?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 08 2004 03:23 GMT
#20
1/8 of 300 maybe?
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