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Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
January 19 2011 21:07 GMT
#1
Hey ,
recently there has been a lot of talk about vasters who make so much more money than the progamers who create the content( Husky, HD etc)
So that got me wondering whether or not the casters should be charged for what they get for free.
Think about it : in any other sport, professional teams get a big percentage of the income created by the content they create. So why should this not be the case in SC2 as well?
Idra, for example doesnt like Husky very mutch and yet the caster got over 200k views recently for content Idra created.
Now an other aspect is , of course , that a lot of people watch games because a certain caster commentates them , so you might argue that the casters become more important than the players, but I at least think that they could not exist without each other.
Games without casters are boring and casters without games .. well that wouldnt really work would it?
Those are just a few points that i thought of the top of my head and i would be interested what all of you think about this subject.
Hasire
Profile Joined February 2010
United States125 Posts
January 19 2011 21:09 GMT
#2
If the replay is released to the public, then the player can't really expect money in return for it. If they hoard them expecting money, the casters will just go to someone else for reps.
HansMoleman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States343 Posts
January 19 2011 21:10 GMT
#3
Perhaps on paper this seems like a valid idea, but in reality all this would do would put a halt to an aspect of eSports, which is never a good thing.
"Knowledge is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learn from schooling" -Albert Einstien
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 21:20:00
January 19 2011 21:10 GMT
#4
Oh this will end well.

A fairly massive thing you've failed to take into consideration is that without casters, you literally have no professional eSports. Sponsors will not pay a cent for something that isn't going to get publicised. It's not just 'oh the games would be boring without casters', it is the 'oh, nobody is getting paid because the sponsors can't get their brand out there because we don't have any prominent casters'.

There are 4 vital elements to eSports and without even one of those, eSports doesn't work. Looks something like this.

Players <> Casters <> Viewers <> Sponsors

Take one of those out of the equation and you have no professional eSports. Probably best not to fuck with an element of it on that basis.

Consider this. In eSports, a 'caster' such as say, Husky, is not merely a commentator, he is an entirely television network in and of himself. If you're talking about 'buying the rights' to a series or tournament, then this already happens, though it's usually through a beneficial arrangement to all 4 elements of that equation. The caster uses his prominence and audience to bargain with the sponsors, to secure money for the players. He does not take money from the prizepool for himself (unless he is a complete dick and I really hope this doesn't happen), he is compensated via the ad revenue that his channel generates (and could easily generate from something that isn't Starcraft if need be). The players get paid, the sponsors get their brand recognition, the caster is compensated and the viewers get their entertainment without paying a dime.

I couldn't possibly not be biased on this subject, but I would like to think people wouldn't want to mess with that system, lest it fall apart and benefit no-one at all.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11998 Posts
January 19 2011 21:11 GMT
#5
Check how ESL (larger events), MLG, GOM and so on does it. They cast it themselves so they get the income themselves and the costs themselves.

Shouldn't also the casters be paid somehow? Once the sum reaches a certain point you can start talking about giving back though.
Jacuzzi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States528 Posts
January 19 2011 21:11 GMT
#6
Casters make the game entertaining and not everybody can do that. You don't have to look far on youtube to find shitty casters that have no business trying to cast games. People like Day9, Tasteless, and Husky deserve their salaries.
stupidhydro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States216 Posts
January 19 2011 21:12 GMT
#7
If the casters can get a hold of the replay, generally you can too. People watch the videos with the casting/commentating because of the caster or because they're too lazy to get the game themselves. It'd be dumb if everyone had to pay for the replay so why would someone who takes it off a site and makes a youtube video of themselves talking about it have to pay too?
Mahavishnu
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada396 Posts
January 19 2011 21:12 GMT
#8
Quality will have longevity.

Also, there are so few casters and progamers making money there's no reason to make an annoying issue of it.
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aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
January 19 2011 21:12 GMT
#9
On January 20 2011 06:09 Hasire wrote:
If the replay is released to the public, then the player can't really expect money in return for it. If they hoard them expecting money, the casters will just go to someone else for reps.


How does one hoard replays when your opponent in the game has the exact same replay?
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11998 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 21:13:35
January 19 2011 21:13 GMT
#10
Hoarding replays might be an interesting idea. Selling each download of a replay for a small sum. Since both players would get this money both would keep it to the site selling them or get no income from this.
optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
January 19 2011 21:14 GMT
#11
On January 20 2011 06:09 Hasire wrote:
If the replay is released to the public, then the player can't really expect money in return for it. If they hoard them expecting money, the casters will just go to someone else for reps.



but thats the thing, more wpeople will want to watch the better player reps like Idras instead of some lower lesser known player
evcameron
Profile Joined December 2010
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 21:15:15
January 19 2011 21:14 GMT
#12
As Hasire said, if they release the game to the public they can't expect casters to pay them money. Nothing is stopped top level gamers from keeping their replays and selling them to the casters.

If they really think their replays are that good, then they can do that. And if they're right, the casters will be willing to pay for them. But if they're wrong and it turns out that people don't really care much about seeing games of (as an example) idra, and are fine with just seeing games with ret instead, then casters won't pay for games and idra loses some of his popularity since less people get exposure to his games, which arguably reduces a player or a team's ability to get sponsors.
CrazyCow
Profile Joined August 2010
United States308 Posts
January 19 2011 21:14 GMT
#13
YouTube partnership doesn't really give that much money, contrary to popular belief. I'd be surprised if HD and Husky were breaking $20k/year. Compare that with IdrA's salary.
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 21:15:27
January 19 2011 21:15 GMT
#14
On January 20 2011 06:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Oh this will end well.


Well what could possibly go wrong ? ^.^

On January 20 2011 06:12 aike wrote:
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On January 20 2011 06:09 Hasire wrote:
If the replay is released to the public, then the player can't really expect money in return for it. If they hoard them expecting money, the casters will just go to someone else for reps.


How does one hoard replays when your opponent in the game has the exact same replay?


Well if you dont release a replay and some caster makes a few hundres (i obviously dont know the exact numbers ) bucks of it , is that really fair ?
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
January 19 2011 21:16 GMT
#15
I doubt blizzard would let you charge for replays.
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Hasire
Profile Joined February 2010
United States125 Posts
January 19 2011 21:18 GMT
#16
Typically you're never going to find a rep of a pro player though unless they release it, because they're playing on a Smurf.

Just by playing on "EGIdra" on ladder, Idra has to have an expectation of the replay being saved and someone turning a profit off it. If a player cares so much as to not want this to happen, stay on a smurf and customs with people you trust not to share the reps.

Players and casters only really care about the big-name reps, and not the 3500 player that only ladders/players in smaller tournies.
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
January 19 2011 21:19 GMT
#17
Casters already do alot for many of these players, HD, Husky, Day9 etc have helped promote many of these players who in turn get invites to more tournaments and acheive "efame".

Granted not all of them enjoy being pestered constantly but i bet more of them acutally enjoy being known for playing a video game.

The popular casters are one of the primary reasons why they are so famous at least in the SC community.
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Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
January 19 2011 21:19 GMT
#18
As far as i know the replays are 100% Blizzard property. If Blizzard is ok with casters making money displaying their product then all is good.
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slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
January 19 2011 21:19 GMT
#19
I like the Korean commentators best, even though I don't understand 99% of what they're saying. Klazart is the only English commentator who compared to the intensity, but he is retired :-(

And OP, your idea sounds in tandem with Blizzard trying to charge OGN/MBC for broadcasting rights lol, but let's leave that subject to the threads dedicated to it ;-)
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resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 21:22:52
January 19 2011 21:21 GMT
#20
Very interesting point, however I think this attitude of intellectual property is detrimental to the game in the long run.

Players play to win tournaments, and replays are almost a meaningful cast-off of this training.

Replays where players dont reveal any training tactics but end up in some "weird epic fun" game have no value and meaning to them.

However, these replays have meaning to us fans, and they generate interest in both the game and in the players (and their sponsors).

So consider replays a useless by-product of players aiming to win tournaments and these games that everyone gets to enjoy simply serve to promote the players interests to become rich gamers, and the game's interests to get more players/fans.


_


I personally would rather see casters do casts for love of the game rather than financial profit myself, but if the do more 'good' than 'bad' in bringing fans to the game then I guess I am happy for them to make some cash on the side.

I personally dont watch these people's replays, because I dont consider they have the right ethos and ethics, but I wont deny the power of youtube VODs in terms of exciting the public and garnering SC2 interest.

I mean I only picked protoss because of White-ra's gosu plays in beta ^^
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