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Finally got through all the reading. Was at page 6 with last page of 13 and it somehow extended to 15 lol.
This is my first time playing so bare with my newbness. I think we'll have to go with lynching the most obvious people with somewhat direct correlation with the murders of day 1, until we get more hints from day2+ murders.
+ I like the idea with the spreadsheet. Maybe we can see links to profile on the left of the usernames so it's more easy to access?
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On October 11 2010 16:18 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 16:05 NB wrote:is that just me or 2 pages ago, someone suggested to vote for masq and 2 or 3 people stand out(most noticed is Veldril) and defend him?is that mean they are on the same team? again, in this game if im correct, only town people dont know who the rest are, mafia/vampire know their teamees right? about the crazy pictures: if you guys have noticed, the content of the clue have not changed much since the 1st content which was canceled since there was a mistake... Most people profile have not changed during that period of time so using "Pictures" in the profile pages does not guarantee anything. And Yes, im defending it bc i have a "crazed smile" picture in my profile but it was from kingdom heart 4 or 5 years ago  ... and kingdom heart is cute :3... in response to bolded, yes. Masq defended Veldril, too. They defended each other. It is a mistake on their part. Yes. Town are uninformed. Mafia know mafia. Vampires know vampires. Honestly, I didn't even read the day posts. I focus more on scouring posts than beating my head into walls of clues. 
More clues lie in people's posts rather than day posts
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AtE = ??
The cruel one is the pear killerr
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On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Show nested quote +Clues: During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote: Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote: Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please?
I think I just found 2 vampires here guys
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On October 12 2010 03:28 NB wrote: WHO INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATORS?
I am considering between seRapH, jodogohoo and Veldril If masq is truely the Jack-o-lantern, its "ok" to ignore him. Would not take risk only killing 1 blue since 1 blue life is SO MUCH worth compare to killing jack...
Reason i choose those 3 people: seRapH: check my previous posts
jodogohoo: He changed his vote ALOT. The best way to explain this is that he likes to "agree" with people on lynching somebody. This means that he, in fact, does not value the "risk" that we have to take when lynching somebody or in another way to say: "He seem to know who to avoid killing". Most of his posts contain very "simple" logic and mostly "agreeing" with someone else on lynching people. If i have to change my vote right now, i would vote for him. I denied the possibility of him being a noob since his post counts is 2k...
Veldril: His biggest mistake was try to protect masq VERY early on. If that didnt cause enough attention toward this couple, Masq went a head and "agree" with Veldril's protection. => What this means is that instead of voting for masq, vote for Veldril is a MUCH safer option comparatively since Veldril has much more "power posts" than Masq. If both Masq and Veldril have equal chance of being mafia/vamp, why dont we remove the "harmful" one b4 the "harmless" one?
Now im off to do homework >.<... but i will replay if you have any questions toward my logic :-)
The Jack-o-lantern hint is a clue. I don't think it means that the clue refers to the blue role.
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Just voted for Veldril. Guess we need more to see if aztorisk changes his change.
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Or maybe it's just mind games to play on us townies
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Now that I think about it, I don't think Masq/Veldril can be mafia/townie.
They either have to be Mafia/Mafia, Townie/Townie, or Townie/Mafia.
Mafia/Mafia Masq has no other choice but to vote Veldril to survive, or to look like he's a townie and going with the bandwagon.
Both Townies Again, Masq trying to stay in the game.
Townie/Mafia Refer to above
If they are Mafia/Townie, at least the MH bomb will kill off Masq.
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How do you know you're not mafia/vampire!??!?!!?
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 12 2010 03:08 YummyBlaBla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Clues: During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote: Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post.
I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not.
On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote: Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got.
I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea...
Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis.
Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? I think I just found 2 vampires here guys
Holy balls. I called those guys as being vampires.
That is all. I'm going to catch up with the thread brb
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Reincarnation of BM.
Looks like it'll be interesting with replaced members who might post
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Let's try to get some discussion going...
We know that Masq = Vampire How certain are we that Veldir is also vampire? If he is, will the Mafia kill him off? What happens if they don't? Will we lynch Veldir the next day or base our lynch on day 2's post?
I say we are 99.99% certain that Veldir is vampire. Even if the mafia leaves him alone after the night, we should let him survive the lynch to let the mafia deal with him sooner or later, while we target the new clues.
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On October 13 2010 14:59 Glasse wrote: I feel like you guys saying they will go for veldril are all wrong. Wouldnt it be smarter of them to keep the vamps with more kp while they know who one of them is? From what i understand they need to have the number of town ppl low as well so he will probably go unharmed, while we may have to vote him off or something like that.
I'm not saying they will. They will have to eventually to win. I say our good play for day 2 would be sparing Veldril for someone else who is number 1 on our suspicious list. We don't need to lynch Veldril because we know he's vampire. It would be wasting our kill of the day.
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On October 13 2010 15:16 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 15:06 YummyBlaBla wrote:On October 13 2010 14:59 Glasse wrote: I feel like you guys saying they will go for veldril are all wrong. Wouldnt it be smarter of them to keep the vamps with more kp while they know who one of them is? From what i understand they need to have the number of town ppl low as well so he will probably go unharmed, while we may have to vote him off or something like that. I'm not saying they will. They will have to eventually to win. I say our good play for day 2 would be sparing Veldril for someone else who is number 1 on our suspicious list. We don't need to lynch Veldril because we know he's vampire. It would be wasting our kill of the day. No! read my post! I am quite sure that veldir will remain untouched. Reducing number of reds is so BAD for both M/V since town most likely will win. think about it, if M kill Veldir they also lose 1 "clear target" that they can save for later kill points. If Veldir is safe night1, he will have 80% of my vote. If Veldir is safe night 1 + 1 vamp got killed => he got 100% of my vote. If he is dead => reset :<
I think I see where you're getting at. 6 random kills by M/V tonight
If Mafia messes up and kills a vampire (not Veldir) by luck, we 100% lynch Veldir to decrease vampire kill count.
I think if a vampire doesn't die, we should save Veldir until day 3and hope mafia kills a random vampire in night 2.
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On October 13 2010 15:20 NB wrote: also i have to reconsider the fact why 2 townies wana let a Vamp live when they clearly know what he is.... Coagulation and YummyBlaBla, you 2 will be on my list. If i happen to die tonight. please consider Coagulation and YummyBlaBla as the next target T_T
My reasoning is why would we kill someone that is almost confirmed vampire when we could be testing our kill on someone else.
Read my above post. I will most certainly lynch Veldir if a vampire dies tonight.
I'm off to bed. I will be back to check around in 18 hours.
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Quiet down guys. I can see the sun rising in 20minutes!
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On October 14 2010 12:49 BrownBear wrote: The day post isn't up yet. If you can link clues to each other, then you can fight all you want.
Until then, quit yer bitchin'
Seconded.
10 more minutes!
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3 vampires down! We need one more to lower their KP. Lynch Veldril!
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Have you ever seen a tiger meow?
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