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~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 01 2010 19:46 GMT
#82
/in
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 02 2010 15:36 GMT
#102
On July 30 2010 22:39 Amber[LighT] wrote:
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On July 30 2010 22:25 flamewheel wrote:
On July 30 2010 20:58 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On July 30 2010 09:47 flamewheel wrote:
On July 30 2010 04:30 citi.zen wrote:
On July 30 2010 04:21 Qatol wrote:
Bus driver cannot bus himself, yes? The role is more interesting if they can't roleclaim and have immunity to night hits.

Right, it's weaker without PMs too. This will be confusing to argue through.

Ah forgot to say that.

Also not allowing Watcher to watch self.

Also yes unlimited buses.

Also freak you guys with [s and ]s in your names.


I give you permission to get a mod to change my name for me, as I've requested for a few years

What to?


CuDi or ManOnTheMoon

If you seriously got this name change I... I would find some cool way to repay you whenever you needed it!

So you like Kid Cudi huh? Lol....
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 02 2010 20:08 GMT
#104
Dude, Kid Cudi is the shit. Sountrack to my Life is one of my FAVORITE songs. That and Pursuit of Happiness.

And yes. Ace can tell you that much. xD...He coulda let me bomberman my way to victory that one game. Lol
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-05 21:27:13
August 05 2010 20:49 GMT
#144
doh...I'll see if I can get by...
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 06 2010 02:54 GMT
#227
....So game just starts and you idiots are accusing people of inactivity....(sorry if thats too rude for you flamewheel. Will try better later.)

Anyway...Time to come up with some ideas....

How bout we all massively role claim?!

No.

Anyway, let's stop the spam. Just spamming does not make you active. Spamming gets you voted just as often as being inactive. Ask Chezinu and Bill. And Darth. (Last game?)
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 06 2010 16:51 GMT
#382
I'm accepting PM's currently. Any takers?

Anyway....Looking the thread over now.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 06 2010 16:55 GMT
#385
On August 06 2010 23:39 KF91 wrote:
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On August 06 2010 14:54 Jayme wrote:
I still hate voting for inactives on day one because it's so pointless.

and the random voting stage is already over after only a few hours...???? Oh incoming bandwagon


I believe that this is one of the best ways to start off Day 1; mostly because like it was mentioned before, people do make mistakes and they shouldn't be lynched right away because of a single mistake they made on Day 1.

Plus it promotes involvement, but I'm sure everyone's heard this countless times already.

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On August 06 2010 18:10 DarthThienAn wrote:
BM, you're basically introducing an incredibly scummy plan. If you really think mass roleclaim would be beneficial, then please explain why. And "It worked in other games" is not a reason, seeing as how every setup is different. How can you say everyone claiming would be beneficial if you don't even know how many blues we have? Until you elaborate, my vote is on you, even if I don't like the bandwagon on you.

"The mafia will be forced to lie, and if we coordinate early enough there is no way we can lose all of our good pieces."

Mafia can easily claim townie, or a random blue. We don't know how many of each role there is. So we wouldn't be able to call any of them out on their fake claims. So how would we catch a mafia lying, unless they claimed a role that requires results that we can see?

##vote Bill Murray


From what I know of BM, this is classic BM to me (Although the last game I played with him was XXII, so things could have changed.). He promotes some weird plan and the town attacks him. He ends up being Godfather. But from what I can remember, he also pushes plans like these when he's a townie as well.

From BM's point of view, this is just a trap for the mafia, because although it would be harder for the town to sift through all the liars in a mass-role claim, it would be harder for the mafia to organize who would claim as what.

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On August 06 2010 23:18 love1another wrote:
I'm a confirmed townie please. Don't kill me plz


Um, hi? If you have time, feel free to type more, since an "activity-check" post won't save you from getting lynched forever.


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On August 06 2010 22:52 rastaban wrote:
I just realized spoiler my plan made it less likely to be seen and critiqued which defeated its purpose so here it is again

Plan, Please Review

It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant.

Instead of the bus driver being an element of chaos he becomes the towns best medic. Regardless of if they Triple stack him he won't die. Even in the hands of a beginner this role would be now be powerful as they would be certain to using it for good. Another benefit is that it gives the blue roles the knowledge of if they hit the bus driver.

Say for a minute that we use the vigilante. Now we can be sure there is only one in this game since it is such a strong role. If a DT checks someone and he gets vigilante then he knows he hit the other end of the chain and will know to disregard that nights reading. We have just eliminated the early chaos that this role generates. The other thing is that the mafia now knows if they risk hitting vig there is a chance it will fire back on them.

Ok now I used vig in this example because he seems the best candidate but I could be wrong so town can advise. If we have the vig claim we know there will be only 1 (since otherwise town KP would be crazy) if we get 2 then we lynch both. This means we trade 1 vigilante for 1 Red with a 50% chance that the real vig stays alive.

There are a few outliers that could happen and I am considering them now but thought I would put this plan out as early as possible so in case we go with it all parties would have the most time to see what was going on possible.


From what I see, bad plan. So much risk for the town while the mafia has to give a small effort to make sure that the town is screwed over.

- If mafia roleclaims as a blue, this plan won't work period.
- If a real blue does roleclaim, but the bus driver buses the wrong person, we could hit another blue (Perhaps one of out DTs or medics)
- The mafia has power-roles that could turn this plan onto the town and the town could be lynching townies on Day 2/3 depending on if this plan is actually implemented.

IMO, single roleclaims=bad at any point of the game. Or actually, any type of roleclaims; while it may prove useful to the town, it will always help mafia in killing blues.

Blues....are not that important....

-_-...Behavior. Press people. MAKE THEM POST. You shooting down a plan that would work makes me laugh. Idea would be to have a veteran claim and bus/med prot him....But I dunno...Or really like that plan....But if we choose at random....then lynch the person in an upcoming day. lol. Fuck it....I like the plan kinda, because we have infinite med prots using bus driver....omg... WEE CAN USE THE MAFIA AS VIGIS with this strategy!!
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 06 2010 17:17 GMT
#390
On August 07 2010 01:51 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 01:44 tree.hugger wrote:
Summary of the last couple pages.
- Chezinu upped his game. Wow.
- Pyrr and BM are either geniuses, or they both fell on their swords spectacularly.
- ratasban has a plan.

Re: The mass roleclaim. I think ninjas would make the plan difficult, they'd provide cover in the greens for mafia to hide amongst. Last time we mass roleclaimed, I got killed immediately because Meeple saved the mafia claimant for a less-important role.

Re: Rastaban's plan. I think that actually makes a lot of sense, but it isn't as solid as you suggest. First, if the Bus Driver is on the vigi, we're leaving it up to the BD's discretion who to hit instead. Which means that they could just as easily hit the DT as they could hit the mafia. In fact, since blues outnumber mafia this game, then that could be more likely, and more disastrous for the town. Secondly, the mafia could simply ignore the vigi, and go kill other people. Where does that leave the town? The vigi is not a role that we can really do much with if confirmed. Whereas if we were somehow protecting the DT, then they could pass info on to us, protecting the vigi doesn't do much but set up a really obvious trap that has an equal chance of blowing up in our faces, not to mention the mafia would likely avoid it to begin with.



The mafia pretty much has to ignore him though, because there normal hits 100% guaranteed not to hit them, but if they target the vig then while it is likely they hit town they also have a 1/5 chance of hitting them selves (actually slightly higher since they definitely wont get the busdriver or the vig.) So every shot lobbed at the vig is actual great for town. The mafia will most likely ignore it and try to snip the other blue especially the busdriver.

If the vigi is confirmed (we need to be 100% sure though) then other investigative blue roles can claim to him and he can share their results. so eventually it will work much like if the DT had claimed.


I hadn't even read that....Yea...I'd see that being pretty useful using the vig....Okay....That's a good as idea. I'm down.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 06 2010 17:26 GMT
#392
Okay. Vigi should claim Day 2 IMO because he can't use his night kill til night 2. The vigi can openly suggest his target, meds protect target. If 2 people die that night, and dude is protected from a hit then BAM, we have a huge circle formed with meds confirming the vigi, DT's can openly claim to vigi or use a mouth, Bus Driver should stay hidden I feel...except to maybe the meds.

And if it is a mafia ploy? We'd have netted two mafia. The fake vigi claimer, and the dude who was hit by the vigi because he would have to have been protected. All medics should protect the guy getting vigi'd so they get the protection message, or mafia would have to use all KP to stop the plan, GIVING us quite a few more days...
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 08 2010 03:14 GMT
#806
Lol.
Wow...Thread explosion.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 09 2010 06:13 GMT
#1032
So then. We can assume Xelin is practically confirmed, yes yes? Foolishness, were you med protected or vet protected? Would be nice to know you and a med are in cahoots.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 09 2010 06:17 GMT
#1036
On August 09 2010 14:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 14:11 Foolishness wrote:
On August 09 2010 13:52 Bill Murray wrote:
@foolishness: top 3 suspects and why?

Infundibulum: He's less active than his normal style. His current posting reminds me of Incognito's 2 mafia family game (he was mafia). He hasn't contributed anything.


Yeah, I'm changing it up this game. Last game I posted a lot and got dragged into arguments and lines of thinking that ultimately didn't help the town and ended up being frustrated with myself. Since I have less time right now anyway, i'm taking a more laid back approach to this game and trying to think more analytically than emotionally. I'm sure you're not the only one to have noticed.

That said I did some thinking and depending on what the tracker found, Xelin could be a confirmed innocent. Essentially, Xelin being framed to appear red doesn't matter - if Xelin is mafia and was tracked, the tracker will know that Xelin visited someone on today's kill list and ergo that he is mafia. If Xelin didn't visit anybody, then he's not mafia even if he was framed. So I don't think we need to worry about lynching Xelin.

Exceptions: Xelin is Principal or Ninja, in such cases my previous logic does not apply since those roles can't be tracked.

So basically this actually works out pretty well in that we have only 2 townies dead and 2 quasi-confirmed townies in Xelin and Foolishness.

If a tracker speaks up, then we would all need to PM Xelin. Basically, tracker, whoever you tracked if they visited ANYONE and the person visited didn't die, you got us a confirmed townie. If they didn't visit anyone, you shouldn't pm them. GF, Ninja....Lil scary world out there.

But, Tracker, if you visited Xelin, and Xelin visited someone. And given the watcher watched Xelin....We should have one hell of a town circle. VARY NICE?!

So once Tracker posts that he followed Xelin...Should we mass claim to Xelin? We dont have the number of roles, BUT we can assume by balance....
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 09 2010 06:18 GMT
#1037
On August 09 2010 15:13 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
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On August 08 2010 12:14 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Lol.
Wow...Thread explosion.

His only post since day 20. Lol. I didn't even know he was playing. Why isn't he on the inactive list above?

I was already here. Check the post above yours.

Got a new job. Remember I was talking about it last game? Sorry bro. Been missing my ass? Hold on, I'll come shake it.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 09 2010 06:20 GMT
#1039
On August 09 2010 15:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 15:13 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On August 08 2010 12:14 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Lol.
Wow...Thread explosion.

His only post since day 20. Lol. I didn't even know he was playing. Why isn't he on the inactive list above?

I was already here. Check the post above yours.

Got a new job. Remember I was talking about it last game? Sorry bro. Been missing my ass? Hold on, I'll come shake it.

Wait. I take it back. You're retarded. THE POST YOU QUOTED WAS BEFORE YOU POINTED ME BEING MISSING.

-_-
If you're gonna point out I'm missing, can you do it before I post...Then brag about me just showing up AFTER you post, when in fact I posted BEFORE you even pointed it out.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 09 2010 06:21 GMT
#1041
Lmao. My bad Pyrr. I take that back. -_-

I really gotta chill.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 09 2010 06:25 GMT
#1044
On August 09 2010 15:21 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 15:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On August 09 2010 14:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On August 09 2010 14:11 Foolishness wrote:
On August 09 2010 13:52 Bill Murray wrote:
@foolishness: top 3 suspects and why?

Infundibulum: He's less active than his normal style. His current posting reminds me of Incognito's 2 mafia family game (he was mafia). He hasn't contributed anything.


Yeah, I'm changing it up this game. Last game I posted a lot and got dragged into arguments and lines of thinking that ultimately didn't help the town and ended up being frustrated with myself. Since I have less time right now anyway, i'm taking a more laid back approach to this game and trying to think more analytically than emotionally. I'm sure you're not the only one to have noticed.

That said I did some thinking and depending on what the tracker found, Xelin could be a confirmed innocent. Essentially, Xelin being framed to appear red doesn't matter - if Xelin is mafia and was tracked, the tracker will know that Xelin visited someone on today's kill list and ergo that he is mafia. If Xelin didn't visit anybody, then he's not mafia even if he was framed. So I don't think we need to worry about lynching Xelin.

Exceptions: Xelin is Principal or Ninja, in such cases my previous logic does not apply since those roles can't be tracked.

So basically this actually works out pretty well in that we have only 2 townies dead and 2 quasi-confirmed townies in Xelin and Foolishness.

If a tracker speaks up, then we would all need to PM Xelin. Basically, tracker, whoever you tracked if they visited ANYONE and the person visited didn't die, you got us a confirmed townie. If they didn't visit anyone, you shouldn't pm them. GF, Ninja....Lil scary world out there.

But, Tracker, if you visited Xelin, and Xelin visited someone. And given the watcher watched Xelin....We should have one hell of a town circle. VARY NICE?!

So once Tracker posts that he followed Xelin...Should we mass claim to Xelin? We dont have the number of roles, BUT we can assume by balance....


Not sure if im following... You realize mafia might have framer and roleblocker, right?

You're not following.

Roleblocker...would block someones role. Tracker would follow them to whoever was role blocked.

I guess Framer would make sense...Damn...I tried...

Why you gotta spoil my idea. Hmm...But what if we claimed to who he was tracked to if he visited someone?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 09 2010 06:26 GMT
#1046
On August 09 2010 15:24 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2010 15:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On August 09 2010 14:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On August 09 2010 14:11 Foolishness wrote:
On August 09 2010 13:52 Bill Murray wrote:
@foolishness: top 3 suspects and why?

Infundibulum: He's less active than his normal style. His current posting reminds me of Incognito's 2 mafia family game (he was mafia). He hasn't contributed anything.


Yeah, I'm changing it up this game. Last game I posted a lot and got dragged into arguments and lines of thinking that ultimately didn't help the town and ended up being frustrated with myself. Since I have less time right now anyway, i'm taking a more laid back approach to this game and trying to think more analytically than emotionally. I'm sure you're not the only one to have noticed.

That said I did some thinking and depending on what the tracker found, Xelin could be a confirmed innocent. Essentially, Xelin being framed to appear red doesn't matter - if Xelin is mafia and was tracked, the tracker will know that Xelin visited someone on today's kill list and ergo that he is mafia. If Xelin didn't visit anybody, then he's not mafia even if he was framed. So I don't think we need to worry about lynching Xelin.

Exceptions: Xelin is Principal or Ninja, in such cases my previous logic does not apply since those roles can't be tracked.

So basically this actually works out pretty well in that we have only 2 townies dead and 2 quasi-confirmed townies in Xelin and Foolishness.

If a tracker speaks up, then we would all need to PM Xelin. Basically, tracker, whoever you tracked if they visited ANYONE and the person visited didn't die, you got us a confirmed townie. If they didn't visit anyone, you shouldn't pm them. GF, Ninja....Lil scary world out there.

But, Tracker, if you visited Xelin, and Xelin visited someone. And given the watcher watched Xelin....We should have one hell of a town circle. VARY NICE?!

So once Tracker posts that he followed Xelin...Should we mass claim to Xelin? We dont have the number of roles, BUT we can assume by balance....

I thought LSB's plan was to confirm the watcher and not Xelin.
We've already had someone claim tracker and say they followed VoyeshMoru. Who? Read the thread please.

Chez/Bumatlarge

I know who. There could be more than one, or chez could be lying. It IS Chez after all....
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 09 2010 06:27 GMT
#1050
Why did Foolishness disappear when I asked him to either claim Vet hit or medic prot?

-__-
USEFUL information guys.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 09 2010 06:32 GMT
#1055
...Eh...Good point. I'm fairly certain you track a goon to a hit, and a framer/roleblocker to the roleblockee/framed
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
August 09 2010 19:12 GMT
#1114
On August 09 2010 16:03 DarthThienAn wrote:
Thoughts on last night's plan:

What should have happened -

DT check Xelin
Tracker track Xelin
Medic prot Xelin
Watcher watch Xelin
Other roles leave Xelin alone.

DT can see Xelin's ROLE. If a Framer frames Xelin then awesome. Watcher will have him on lockdown.
Tracker can see if Xelin is mafia or not. If Xelin was mafia, tracker will get the result "Xelin visited LSB/chaoser." If tracker sees "Xelin visited nobody," Xelin is either ninja or vanilla townie or GF. If tracker sees "Xelin visited [living person]" then Xelin is a blue or a nosy neighbor.
Watcher will see that "DT, Tracker, Medic visited Xelin." If it's more than three people, then maybe we have duplicate blue roles. It all depends on what the dt/tracker/watcher tell us. Are we looking for a framer/roleblocker amongst the people who visited Xelin?

A lying Watcher is dangerous because they have to be accurate with who they say visited Xelin. So I doubt that the mafia tried this one.

If Xelin got roleblocked (though, that doesn't really affect the plan), the mafia are throwing themselves into the spotlight, which isn't smart. More likely is a framer, but they probably would have been afraid of the watcher.

I think this covers it.

If Xelin is GF, then the tracker will be able to hint us in that direction - "Xelin did not visit anyone." If that's true, we should be careful before claiming to Xelin or something.
If Xelin is mafia, then the tracker will be able to tell us that.
Otherwise, we're okay right? This part might be screwed up if Chez is telling the truth (and we don't have a 2nd tracker) however.

What if Xelin is the framer...

you think about that?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
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