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What does "cheese" really mean?
I mean seriously, I don't know why but almost every game now players rage off without gging. They're always complaining about cheese or imba or something stupid like that rather than trying to fix their mistakes and improving. What concerns me the most though is that the word "cheese" is tossed around so casually now as something dirty and in place of a gg. Why can't the sportsmanship that goes into high level games be more prevalent, because I think a competitive and respectable community will serve SCII much better.
Do people not know what cheesing means or am I just a cheesy player? If I go mutas or banshees mid game after a normal transition and expo how is that cheese? Hellion harasses? At this point every early timing push, harass, or anything outside of attack move with army blobs becomes cheese. What's the deal with this crop of players? Learn to scout.
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people are just bad and angry. you're gonna have to deal with a lot of noobs before they sink to the bottom where they belong
cheese is all in if it fails. what you're doing is fine, just gotta absorb the hate. ^_^
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I just dealt with 2 cheesing tosses minutes ago. They left without gg'ing. You want replays?  (Gold div btw)
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its the same term as "broken" Words eventually just got tossed around as jargon that pleases a person when they say it.
just like anything that beats you is "broken"
Anything that crushes the opponent is "cheesy"
though i suppose the real meaning is more of an early game rush strat that punishes an inexperienced player trying to tech.
maybe.
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cheese is usually anything that causes someone to "rage".
particularly clever and sneaky play that deviates from what is, at that present time, associated with "normal play".
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What's with people making such a big deal out of not gging after games?
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On April 01 2010 18:01 BentoBox wrote:
What's with people making such a big deal out of not gging after games?
there is a certain civility that comes with mannered play. GG has many meanings, but "acknowledgment of defeat" should be its practical use, nothing more. GG says, "the game is won, but not by me".
GG is a mindset whereby you are willing to thank the opponent for showing you yet another weak spot in your game so as to actually improve your play. This perhaps pinpoints the exact reason that certain top level players have no patience playing or GGing so-called "cheesy" players since they, as they see it, have nothing to learn from losing to, say, a two-rax in-base proxy or a proxied barrack bunker rush.
Oftentimes when players "get cheesed" and "lose" they somehow rationalize it into "he didn't beat me, he didn't really win . I just i didnt scout it in time" or some other such comforting reassurance.
I do not recommend cheesy play for practice regimens but I also do not scoff when i see white-ra or even combat-ex "cheesing" in a live event or tournament replay.
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Because it's simply polite to say "gg".
Come on when you lose a chess game you congratulate your oponent normaly, at least a handshake.
It's what sport is all about.
And come on, even the computer says it when it loses now...
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lol this kiddys cry about everything ^^
if u chees with micro (fuck u cheeser noob)
if u mass units (fuck u can u only mass units idiot noob?)
etc etc
ps: yes there was one flame me because i massed my units attack and expand ^^ rly macro is a reason to be flamed xD
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Too many threads on this.......
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On April 01 2010 18:11 omninmo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 18:01 BentoBox wrote:
What's with people making such a big deal out of not gging after games? there is a certain civility that comes with mannered play. GG has many meanings, but "acknowledgment of defeat" should be its practical use, nothing more. GG says, "the game is won, but not by me". GG is a mindset whereby you are willing to thank the opponent for showing you yet another weak spot in your game so as to actually improve your play. This perhaps pinpoints the exact reason that certain top level players have no patience playing or GGing so-called "cheesy" players since they, as they see it, have nothing to learn from losing to, say, a two-rax in-base proxy or a proxied barrack bunker rush. Oftentimes when players "get cheesed" and "lose" they somehow rationalize it into "he didn't beat me, he didn't really win . I just i didnt scout it in time" or some other such comforting reassurance. I do not recommend cheesy play for practice regimens but I also do not scoff when i see white-ra or even combat-ex "cheesing" in a live event or tournament replay.
Perfect explanation of "gg". I highly agree with most everything you've said here.
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On April 01 2010 18:11 omninmo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 18:01 BentoBox wrote:
What's with people making such a big deal out of not gging after games? there is a certain civility that comes with mannered play. GG has many meanings, but "acknowledgment of defeat" should be its practical use, nothing more. GG says, "the game is won, but not by me". GG is a mindset whereby you are willing to thank the opponent for showing you yet another weak spot in your game so as to actually improve your play. This perhaps pinpoints the exact reason that certain top level players have no patience playing or GGing so-called "cheesy" players since they, as they see it, have nothing to learn from losing to, say, a two-rax in-base proxy or a proxied barrack bunker rush. Oftentimes when players "get cheesed" and "lose" they somehow rationalize it into "he didn't beat me, he didn't really win . I just i didnt scout it in time" or some other such comforting reassurance. I do not recommend cheesy play for practice regimens but I also do not scoff when i see white-ra or even combat-ex "cheesing" in a live event or tournament replay.
wow. can i get this on a poster for my room?
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there r so many ppl who leave without saying gg at end, its pretty annoying 
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On April 01 2010 18:11 omninmo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2010 18:01 BentoBox wrote:
What's with people making such a big deal out of not gging after games? there is a certain civility that comes with mannered play. GG has many meanings, but "acknowledgment of defeat" should be its practical use, nothing more. GG says, "the game is won, but not by me". GG is a mindset whereby you are willing to thank the opponent for showing you yet another weak spot in your game so as to actually improve your play. This perhaps pinpoints the exact reason that certain top level players have no patience playing or GGing so-called "cheesy" players since they, as they see it, have nothing to learn from losing to, say, a two-rax in-base proxy or a proxied barrack bunker rush. Oftentimes when players "get cheesed" and "lose" they somehow rationalize it into "he didn't beat me, he didn't really win . I just i didnt scout it in time" or some other such comforting reassurance. I do not recommend cheesy play for practice regimens but I also do not scoff when i see white-ra or even combat-ex "cheesing" in a live event or tournament replay.
What if the game was genuinely bad ? What if the players know each other? It's sort of like people watching Idra play game after game and still causing an uproar when he storms out of the room. If he's well acquainted with his opponent, why would a spectator feel offense if the player doesn't? And if you know that he behaves that way against everyone, why take it personally?
I just don't understand how you let yourselves be so easily broken.
On a tangent, the same applies to cheese. It is a legit part of the game, yet many choose to put a label on everything arbitrarily considered non-standard, as depicted by the OP. And so, when they fall to it, they become emotional and would rather use a scapegoat than actually learn from the loss.
On April 01 2010 18:18 MrRey wrote:
Because it's simply polite to say "gg".
Come on when you lose a chess game you congratulate your oponent normaly, at least a handshake.
It's what sport is all about.
And come on, even the computer says it when it loses now...
Yes, I get it that it's polite.
What I don't get is that not GGing is somehow considered impolite.
Sort of like holding out the door for someone distant.
You have created standards of your own and expect people to follow them and get hurt when people won't abide to your ways. I don't find offense when people leave, nor should I imply that they do.
They left the game, you got your win, clearly you did something right. Move on?
Shitstorms are generated from such trivial behavior, it's funny to me, really.
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