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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
May 20 2013 22:21 GMT
#1741
On May 21 2013 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
Hmm, I found something that doesn't make GK look too hot.

Here's his 2nd post in the game here, which I'll spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 18 2013 06:47 goodkarma wrote:
I feel that Stutters's play so far has been scummy. First, he completely contradicts himself about his thoughts on meta:

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On May 18 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:01 s0Lstice wrote:
the fact that i've only ever played town is a pretty important piece of information to share for people who don't know me/haven't played with me.

getting my share on, don't hate


Maybe I'm reading to much into this but I'm wondering why you want people to focus on your meta?

Let's say I tell you this is like my 13th game without rolling scum. What does that tell you about my play this game that you'd consider important at all right now?


So he doesn't feel meta's important here.

But:

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On May 18 2013 03:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:07 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:06 s0Lstice wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:04 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:02 s0Lstice wrote:
stutters, you got any scum games you can quickly point me to save me some time?


OOHHH Let me.

As town, He lurks but sometimes says useful things. As scum, He lurks.


Ohhh but not this time, according to him. Stutters you are forbidden to lurk.


Not the first, nor the last time that phrase will be heard in this forum.

Excellent summary of my town play. That fabled scum game is still waiting to happen though.


When it comes to excusing his lurky play, it matters.

Also, I found this to be scummy:

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On May 18 2013 06:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now I could get behind a Vayne lynch. vayne how many games have you played (on TL and in general if you've played on other sites)?


In other words, he's ready to sheep onto a Vayne lynch bandwaggon if it gains momentum. But he doesn't want to draw atttention to himself by putting down a vote.

#Vote: Stutters

I look forward to Stutters's response. If it is to be believed he's sometimes useful as town, then that's another scumtell as he's been nothing but useless thus far.


Here's a couple of things he said in The Game.

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On March 17 2013 05:31 goodkarma wrote:

@Mr. Wiggles:

On March 17 2013 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 17 2013 03:53 goodkarma wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:46 Coagulation wrote:
The sast thing was clearly a joke. It was like an hour into day 1 and there was no one posting. You can just expect to be nailing scum 1 hour into day 1 when 90% of players havnt posted. thats fucking absurd. so omg someone makes a joke post to pass the time.


Okay. I can understand it was early. But if we were to look in the here and now you still haven't provided anything that suggests who you think could be scum.

I think what peashooter, and others here are getting at, is either post something that helps us scumhunt, or don't post at all.

I am less inclined than others here to just policy lynch you. But you make it hard for us when you continue to spam the thread with emotional OMGUS responses. Hopefully you see where we're coming from.


I would be most interested in hearing about your read on Grey.

What are your own reads for scum? You've mentioned twice the need to scumhunt, and here you're chiding Coag for not providing anything in regards to who he thinks is scum, when you yourself have done the same. It's just more of the same general game play talk with no actual stances taken in regards to your own opinions.

##Vote: goodkarma

Convince me you're not scum.


Sowy, but I'm not giving you any scumreads until I'm ready to. You claim I haven't been scumhunting, but if you were to look at my posting so far I have:

1) Worked towards establishing a pro-town atmosphere, a reasonable early goal
2) Been pushing others for reads to get a better understanding of their motives and thought process, which is very important to getting scumreads


As far as cases go, which aren't the only component of scumhunting: As I said, when I'm ready. And I promise you it will be long before the end of the day.

But what I'd recommend you to do right now is to focus some of your energies on getting others to participate (not everyone has even posted yet!), and pursue some of your other scumreads. Because tunneling one read, and going into lurker mode thereafter is in itself pretty scummy...



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On March 17 2013 09:15 goodkarma wrote:

I will be presenting my own case before the evening's done, so everyone has a solid 24ish hours to look at it. But I typically don't like to jump into cases as quickly as some here. Call that scummy if you want, but it's my playstyle.


Highlights in bold and red are mine. The bolds are self-explanatory, and I bolded the red to explain it slightly - goodkarma is saying in this passage that it's important to push people for their motivations and thought processes, and thinks it's very important.

Here he makes an early case on Stutters (despite saying last town-game he doesn't make early cases) and he never talked to him first about his thought processes.

I would note at the end of his post in this thread he says "I look forward to Stutters response". But if we're to take his posts in The Game at face value, goodkarma likes to play by getting responses FIRST, voting LATER.


First off, the wording is "don't typically," which is very important. You (and everyone else) seem to be treating my day one play as though I had knowledge of my alignment, which isn't the case...

With Stutters, my early vote was a form of pressure. It's been my experience that he's very hard to get much out of at times, so an early case felt appropriate.

Further, if you are to look at this game and compare it to prior ones, you will notice I have no mention of policy lurker lynches, which has been an early staple of my play (regardless of alignment) since like forever. So if you believe, as some seem to, that my use of meta-analysis is poor, yet are holding me to some kind of meta, I would like you to consider my two scumgames.:

1) LVII I could pretty much do whatever the fuck I wanted (as long as I didn't draw a RB), as Mattchew was caught and I was planning on suiciding night one. So I was more aggressive there than I normally would be.

2) My very first scumgame which no one seems to remember or mention (NMM XXIII) was mostly a lurkfest. I sat there and made a case or two. The moment I was suspected I crumbled up and waited to die...

So in short, if I were scum I'm confident that what you'd see something different from both of them. But what you wouldn't have seen is me throwing around votes as hard as I did or changing my stances like I did. I've played enough to know better than to make a bajillion vote switches as scum. I would have been far more cautious.

And yes, you could respond with something like "Well wouldn't you as scum, knowing all this, just make a post like this anyway?" You should be familiar enough now with the way I've played as town to understand my playstyle and thought process. People rail on me all the time for my day one townplay. It's because of policy talk, or focusing on lurkey players, or some creative play that no one likes (not looking at role PM day 1)...

If you were to believe me when I say that I didn't look at my role PM until when I said I did in thread, and then assess my reads, I would like to know how you think they line up with yours. Move spicy to null, BH to certain scum+ Show Spoiler +
(outside of some wildly unlikely 2-town mason, bad town vigi that doesn't claim shenanigans)
, and Rayne to confirmed town, and that's about where I stand right now. I may have a "hard-to-read playstyle," but the one thing that has always been consistent is the strength of my reads. They become solid over time as town, and are absolute shit as scum. If you are to judge me on anything, I recommend you look at that.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 20 2013 22:22 GMT
#1742
On May 19 2013 20:18 goodkarma wrote:
It came to my attention that I might not be able to make the substantial post I promised if indeed I get up close to the lynch deadline (which will likely be the case). As such, I'm just going to post it now. Below is my promised listpost. If you want the TL;DR version of it go to the bottom. The most relevant part is obviously Spicy, who is who I’m going to be voting for.


Stutters: I know this guy is capable as town of meaningful analysis when he's actually around. Sadly though, that isn't the case here. He's content to afk for the most part... I’d say very slight town only because he seems to have a similar kind of rhetoric and demeanor to what I remember when I played with him in his newbie game. But I would definitely pressure him to get more out of him.

Iamperfection: I'm pretty confident this guy's town right now.

Grush: This guy's a troll. And a source of frustration for me. I'd say based on his behavior he's scum, but for now I will take a blind leap of faith for the starsenses (given that he's allegedly never ever broken from this). If he could provide any kind of helpful insight at all into his thoughts on this game I would feel far better about this...

Blazinghand: This guy is not the aggressive dude I'm familiar with as scum or town. I get he's playing three games, but how is it that the only people he can get behind are a popular bandwagon (Vayne and later me) or complete lurkers (JarJar)? And then just troll… If it gets to some kind of LYLO situation and the expected number of blues are already accounted for I’d take his blueclaim to be a scum fakeclaim.

WaveofShadow: I feel less good about lynching him right now. Looking through his filter, I see that he has an active involvement in the game. I'm not a fan of his playstyle, and the certainty of his statements about Grush and Sputnik were definitely scummy, but the way his reads evolve and the way he seems to actually care about what's going on in the thread indicates to me he's town (slight townread).

JarJarDrinks: I’ve already discussed this guy. He is a scumread for me atm.

Yamato: Townread.

Solstice: In general what stands out to me about him is that he really doesn’t seem to stick his neck out too much. He’s spent a fair deal of time ambivalently thinking I’m scum off and on. In general, I’d say I really don’t like the exchanges we’ve had. Especially some of the stuff with JarJar felt like he was less interested in looking at what I was saying and more interested in finding ammunition to launch a case. He’s a slight scumread, mostly by process of elimination.

Vayne: He seems to be cooperative with thread in actually moving away from his ridiculous no lynch idea and forming his own opinions. While he’s not a fountain of transparency, he’s played similarly to how he played his prior newbie game. Very slight townread.

Sputnik: Afk lurker. Tbh I’m expecting him to get modkilled. If he isn’t modkilled, he’ll get vigi’ed. I’m going to say that his limited shitty play to date is not alignment indicative (he’s shown he can play like this as town in past games). So let’s say for now there’s a 75% chance the dude’s town (assuming 4 scum).

Marv: Shows an interest in solving the game that I believe is consistent with town alignment. I must confess though I am not very familiar with his scumgame.

Spicydinosaur: What stands out most to me about spicy is that he has had a bit to say but he's had literally ZERO scumreads most of the game. He's pretty wishy-washy in general. One post that demonstrated this well he literally started (in discussing Solstice) by saying “I think this guy is very scummy.” And ends the post saying “I don’t think he’s scum.” Further, in his vote post he somehow manages to mix up the name of who he’s voting for. For sure this could be an honest mistake, but it definitely doesn’t demonstrate he’s very invested in the game. When you think someone’s scum, it’s generally burning in your mind as you’re writing up your post. That he could just mix things up, say “oops sorry” to the thread, and then get away with it is disturbing to me. This is the kind of guy you shouldn't let fly under the radar. In the newbie game that just finished that I observed, he had opinions on other players he thought were scummy. That just isn’t the case here. He’s like “this guy looks kinda bad,” or “this guy is a shitty townie,” but when it comes to who’s actually scum he kinda doesn’t have much to say until his botched up vote post.

Dandel: Seems very focused on getting me lynched. In general I haven’t found his discussions very insightful. A troll he may be, but honestly I don't feel very confident he's town atm. I agree with Yamato that this guy is a good lynch candidate.

Darth: Seems to have an active interest in solving this game. I'd say he's town.

Rayne: A disruptive troll that obviously hasn't been reading the thread and obviously doesn't have very much useful to say. Idk if scum would play this poorly. However, as best I can tell it’s not something this guy normally does as town… I’d say he might be trying a different scumgame than what he’s tried in the past. I just don’t feel comfortable giving people who do this shit a free pass. If Sputnik’s modkilled I’d vigi him for sure.

In summary:
ObvTown: GK
Probably Town: Iamp, Yamato, Darth, Marv
People I’m assuming are town for now: Blazinghand, Grush
Slight Townreads: Wave, Vayne, Stutters
Afk/modkill territory: Sputnik
Scumlist: Spicy, JarJar, Dandel, Solstice, Rayne (I’d lynch in that order)


From this list...I dont think he can truly be mafia. Maybe vig or SK but not mafia. pretty sure im wrong about this one as well
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 20 2013 22:24 GMT
#1743
To conclude: id like to lynch dandel ion or s0lstice today. ill let you guys deal with that whole BH clusterfuck I cant even begin to understand it.
I come in for the scraps
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
May 20 2013 22:45 GMT
#1744
On May 21 2013 06:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
Why would a team around scum-BH shoot iamperfection, directly implicating him further?

Basically, that assumes that either a SK shot iamp, or he's getting bussed all the way. Otherwise it just makes no sense.


What kind of logic is this? Iamp was a strong town read to almost everyone here, and only mason-claimed 7 minutes before the end of the night cycle. It's very possible that the scumteam already planned on killing him, and didn't have time to react. Further, even if they did have time, why wouldn't the scumteam go for the blue? I doubt that there's two town masons in this kind of setup. With that in mind, I'd treat it as a counterclaim. Would you believe Iamp or BH is scum?

In other words, BH is very likely getting lynched after iamp's claim regardless of whether iamp lives. So in either case it would make sense for scum to shoot him.


That you implicate it's dumb for scum to shoot a claimed blue is very very scummy. There's clear scum motive for this post, and I have trouble visualizing how as town you'd think like this. Combined with your tunnelly and useless play this game, I'd be very interested in lynching you after we lynch BH.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
May 20 2013 22:50 GMT
#1745
You mean, if BH flips town.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
May 20 2013 22:53 GMT
#1746
oh wait you mean if I'm town and iamp is scum, of course iamp is alive herp derp
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
May 20 2013 22:54 GMT
#1747
So we don't have a claim for that 2nd shot, do we? Means there's a 3p in the game, and I've been counterclaimed, so nobody's going to listen to me until I flip. I'll just do what I can to write a good case then so after I flip there's something for you guys to work off of.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 22:55 GMT
#1748
Vayne can you elaborate on why a list makes him less scummy to you? Thanks.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
May 20 2013 22:58 GMT
#1749
I'm gonna be real here I like triple checked to make sure scum have only 1kp in the OP so I didn't "slip" the 1-kp assumption
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 23:03 GMT
#1750
On May 21 2013 07:54 Blazinghand wrote:
So we don't have a claim for that 2nd shot, do we? Means there's a 3p in the game, and I've been counterclaimed, so nobody's going to listen to me until I flip. I'll just do what I can to write a good case then so after I flip there's something for you guys to work off of.

Still potential mafia vig, unclaimed town vig(unlikely with the targets chosen) but we'll know for sure with the next night. There are a couple people who haven't popped in yet post day post so we'll see.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 20 2013 23:11 GMT
#1751
GK: so you're proposing you play differently when you don't know your alignment to when you know you're town?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
May 20 2013 23:13 GMT
#1752
So much bullshit on this page alone; and I wanted to comment on NKs and shit.

On May 21 2013 07:54 Blazinghand wrote:
So we don't have a claim for that 2nd shot, do we? Means there's a 3p in the game, and I've been counterclaimed, so nobody's going to listen to me until I flip. I'll just do what I can to write a good case then so after I flip there's something for you guys to work off of.


How do you know it's 3p? Could very easily be town or mafia vig. Personally a likely reason I could see is you claiming 3p shot is because you already know it's mafia vig and you're trying to cover it up, but WIFOM. I personally am inclined to think mafia vig but then I would also think town would have a vig as well, and only 2 shots doesn't add up. Maybe it is 3P picking off an easy target since Rayn didn't seem to be as towny of a player as he normally seems to be? He was acting really weird regarding the random vote on iamp and whatnot, and a whole lot less tunnely than usual. (But then if 3P why not pick off Grush or something...? Ugh.)

On May 21 2013 07:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On May 18 2013 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
And where the fuck is Rayn, I was looking forward to his play this game---it is completely unlike him to be this lurky and I don't like it one bit, especially given the fact that he has seen no pressure whatsoever for his lurkiness and yet the more active lurkers like JJD and sputnik have been threatened for not much more.


Found rayn suspicious early, so my scumdar on this guy goes down a bit.

But then later a quick search on his filter brings up a lot of conversation with iamp and rayn and he never really accuses either of being mafia...still a pretty weak scumread for me. This could be the one im wrong about

Vayne I have no idea what you're getting at here. I am a scumread of your based on what exactly? What does me not calling iamp or rayn mafia have to do with anything?

On May 21 2013 07:21 goodkarma wrote:
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On May 21 2013 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
Hmm, I found something that doesn't make GK look too hot.

Here's his 2nd post in the game here, which I'll spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 18 2013 06:47 goodkarma wrote:
I feel that Stutters's play so far has been scummy. First, he completely contradicts himself about his thoughts on meta:

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On May 18 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:01 s0Lstice wrote:
the fact that i've only ever played town is a pretty important piece of information to share for people who don't know me/haven't played with me.

getting my share on, don't hate


Maybe I'm reading to much into this but I'm wondering why you want people to focus on your meta?

Let's say I tell you this is like my 13th game without rolling scum. What does that tell you about my play this game that you'd consider important at all right now?


So he doesn't feel meta's important here.

But:

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On May 18 2013 03:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:07 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:06 s0Lstice wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:04 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 18 2013 03:02 s0Lstice wrote:
stutters, you got any scum games you can quickly point me to save me some time?


OOHHH Let me.

As town, He lurks but sometimes says useful things. As scum, He lurks.


Ohhh but not this time, according to him. Stutters you are forbidden to lurk.


Not the first, nor the last time that phrase will be heard in this forum.

Excellent summary of my town play. That fabled scum game is still waiting to happen though.


When it comes to excusing his lurky play, it matters.

Also, I found this to be scummy:

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On May 18 2013 06:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now I could get behind a Vayne lynch. vayne how many games have you played (on TL and in general if you've played on other sites)?


In other words, he's ready to sheep onto a Vayne lynch bandwaggon if it gains momentum. But he doesn't want to draw atttention to himself by putting down a vote.

#Vote: Stutters

I look forward to Stutters's response. If it is to be believed he's sometimes useful as town, then that's another scumtell as he's been nothing but useless thus far.


Here's a couple of things he said in The Game.

On March 17 2013 05:31 goodkarma wrote:

@Mr. Wiggles:

On March 17 2013 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 17 2013 03:53 goodkarma wrote:
On March 17 2013 02:46 Coagulation wrote:
The sast thing was clearly a joke. It was like an hour into day 1 and there was no one posting. You can just expect to be nailing scum 1 hour into day 1 when 90% of players havnt posted. thats fucking absurd. so omg someone makes a joke post to pass the time.


Okay. I can understand it was early. But if we were to look in the here and now you still haven't provided anything that suggests who you think could be scum.

I think what peashooter, and others here are getting at, is either post something that helps us scumhunt, or don't post at all.

I am less inclined than others here to just policy lynch you. But you make it hard for us when you continue to spam the thread with emotional OMGUS responses. Hopefully you see where we're coming from.


I would be most interested in hearing about your read on Grey.

What are your own reads for scum? You've mentioned twice the need to scumhunt, and here you're chiding Coag for not providing anything in regards to who he thinks is scum, when you yourself have done the same. It's just more of the same general game play talk with no actual stances taken in regards to your own opinions.

##Vote: goodkarma

Convince me you're not scum.


Sowy, but I'm not giving you any scumreads until I'm ready to. You claim I haven't been scumhunting, but if you were to look at my posting so far I have:

1) Worked towards establishing a pro-town atmosphere, a reasonable early goal
2) Been pushing others for reads to get a better understanding of their motives and thought process, which is very important to getting scumreads


As far as cases go, which aren't the only component of scumhunting: As I said, when I'm ready. And I promise you it will be long before the end of the day.

But what I'd recommend you to do right now is to focus some of your energies on getting others to participate (not everyone has even posted yet!), and pursue some of your other scumreads. Because tunneling one read, and going into lurker mode thereafter is in itself pretty scummy...



On March 17 2013 09:15 goodkarma wrote:

I will be presenting my own case before the evening's done, so everyone has a solid 24ish hours to look at it. But I typically don't like to jump into cases as quickly as some here. Call that scummy if you want, but it's my playstyle.


Highlights in bold and red are mine. The bolds are self-explanatory, and I bolded the red to explain it slightly - goodkarma is saying in this passage that it's important to push people for their motivations and thought processes, and thinks it's very important.

Here he makes an early case on Stutters (despite saying last town-game he doesn't make early cases) and he never talked to him first about his thought processes.

I would note at the end of his post in this thread he says "I look forward to Stutters response". But if we're to take his posts in The Game at face value, goodkarma likes to play by getting responses FIRST, voting LATER.


First off, the wording is "don't typically," which is very important. You (and everyone else) seem to be treating my day one play as though I had knowledge of my alignment, which isn't the case...

With Stutters, my early vote was a form of pressure. It's been my experience that he's very hard to get much out of at times, so an early case felt appropriate.

Further, if you are to look at this game and compare it to prior ones, you will notice I have no mention of policy lurker lynches, which has been an early staple of my play (regardless of alignment) since like forever. So if you believe, as some seem to, that my use of meta-analysis is poor, yet are holding me to some kind of meta, I would like you to consider my two scumgames.:

1) LVII I could pretty much do whatever the fuck I wanted (as long as I didn't draw a RB), as Mattchew was caught and I was planning on suiciding night one. So I was more aggressive there than I normally would be.

2) My very first scumgame which no one seems to remember or mention (NMM XXIII) was mostly a lurkfest. I sat there and made a case or two. The moment I was suspected I crumbled up and waited to die...


So in short, if I were scum I'm confident that what you'd see something different from both of them. But what you wouldn't have seen is me throwing around votes as hard as I did or changing my stances like I did. I've played enough to know better than to make a bajillion vote switches as scum. I would have been far more cautious.

And yes, you could respond with something like "Well wouldn't you as scum, knowing all this, just make a post like this anyway?" You should be familiar enough now with the way I've played as town to understand my playstyle and thought process. People rail on me all the time for my day one townplay. It's because of policy talk, or focusing on lurkey players, or some creative play that no one likes (not looking at role PM day 1)...

If you were to believe me when I say that I didn't look at my role PM until when I said I did in thread, and then assess my reads, I would like to know how you think they line up with yours. Move spicy to null, BH to certain scum+ Show Spoiler +
(outside of some wildly unlikely 2-town mason, bad town vigi that doesn't claim shenanigans)
, and Rayne to confirmed town, and that's about where I stand right now. I may have a "hard-to-read playstyle," but the one thing that has always been consistent is the strength of my reads. They become solid over time as town, and are absolute shit as scum. If you are to judge me on anything, I recommend you look at that.


Why are people so sure that someone's play can't evolve over time? I don't see how we're supposed to compare your very first scumgame a year ago to a game you're playing now; if anything I find the point that you'd bring that up and expect us to think your play would be exactly the same without you having learned anything scummy.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 20 2013 23:14 GMT
#1753
it could not "very easily" be town vig, Wave. I'd eat BlazingHand's hat if one of those shots was a town vig shot.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
May 20 2013 23:14 GMT
#1754
Any vigi who can claims just before the nightpost. I mean there are some people who haven't posted yet so it's still possible it's a town vigi I guess
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
May 20 2013 23:14 GMT
#1755
On May 21 2013 08:14 marvellosity wrote:
it could not "very easily" be town vig, Wave. I'd eat BlazingHand's hat if one of those shots was a town vig shot.


it's true; he would.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
May 20 2013 23:16 GMT
#1756
Hence my saying I am inclined to think mafia vig. Fine 'very easily' being bad choice of wording; I doubt very much a town vig would be bad enough to hit Rayn.

Marv what do you think of the rest of that part of the post? I don't know much about game balance but it would seem to me that if mafia has a vig town must have one, no? Do you find 3P more likely?
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 23:17 GMT
#1757
Marv, what are the odds of BH being a town mason in your opinion?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 20 2013 23:19 GMT
#1758
I don't know which I find more likely. Maybe I'll muse on which Les Mis character would likely be SK. Tenardier perhaps? :>

Blazing's assumption that it means 3p is certainly not a good one. When I was last mafia in a 16 player mini, we had a mafia vigi (Hero Mini Mafia).

If town has a vigi he might not have shot last night. Who knows.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 20 2013 23:21 GMT
#1759
On May 21 2013 08:17 Stutters695 wrote:
Marv, what are the odds of BH being a town mason in your opinion?


pretty low, he's constantly put off scumhunting + making cases, despite promising to do so last night. He didn't use our mason QT as a chance to get anything done like he said he would either. Further his opening couple of posts in said QT came off rather as overjustification for masoning me (I talk about this in the iamp QT too)
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United States25550 Posts
May 20 2013 23:24 GMT
#1760
In retrospect, spending hours debunking DP's poorly-thought-out cases against me may not have been the best use of my time. That being said, it had to be done and there's really no two ways about it. Given the way the night actions played out, there's not much I can do to stop my lynch today, so I'll just make the best of it.

On May 21 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
I don't know which I find more likely. Maybe I'll muse on which Les Mis character would likely be SK. Tenardier perhaps? :>

Blazing's assumption that it means 3p is certainly not a good one. When I was last mafia in a 16 player mini, we had a mafia vigi (Hero Mini Mafia).

If town has a vigi he might not have shot last night. Who knows.


If town has a vigi who didn't shoot I'd be very surprised.
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