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On May 21 2013 09:04 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2013 08:28 goodkarma wrote:On May 21 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
GK: so you're proposing you play differently when you don't know your alignment to when you know you're town? I've already explicitly described my thought process behind what I did day one in my filter. You should read that more closely.: On May 19 2013 13:07 goodkarma wrote:
If you want to lynch me, suit yourself. Just know this:
Day 1 I don't check my role PM. So you're basically random lynching.
I've resolved to do my best to help town, regardless of alignment, day one. Even as scum, if I were to lynch a teammate I figured I'd just be removing a liability. It was the fruit of all the bitterness of having people down my throat every day one as town.
And if you don't believe me, check hydra mini mafia II obsQT. The only reason I knew my alignment early there was because of my partner peaked.
I've honestly become very tired of putting up with this shit every day one. So feel free to lynch me. I've put it out there. I'll check my alignment closer to the deadline...
And hopefully you'll have enough sanity to go after the obvious people that should be looked into for lynching (BH / JarJar) instead of the guy that's being a tryhard. So you're playing for town, which you were pretty insistent in The Game meant you were taking it slow and not making premature cases, wanting to interact before voting etc. You can't use not reading your role PM as part of your defence but then say you'd be playing as you would as town. I definitely can. If I were to not PM peek and then later look and find out I'm scum, I wouldn't have bias in my posts until after that point. And that's very relevant to your case at hand, and what originally made you so irked, no? This is very much about you not believing that claim, so don't pretend it isn't. My play here is a little different from my prior games, and I've already highlighted those differences. I've also shown you how meta analyzing me based on my prior scumgames is pretty bad. That leaves my reads, so I'd like to ask you: what about them do you disagree with? That is my strength, and where the discussion should be. In particular, I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say about what I recently posted about Dandel.
Analyzing you based on your prior scumgames as a point you are making is one thing that makes me think you are scummy. Look back to my recent post; there is a little about you in there that I'd like for you to respond to.
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On May 21 2013 08:34 marvellosity wrote:
I would say town vigis usually shoot on night 1s (even though they shouldn't in minis especially, they should wait). I rolled vigi 3 times, shot twice first night and once 2nd night. Then again I don't expect to live to use my shot.
In my last game I was vig but I wasn't allowed to shoot till n2. Is that just for newbie games or is it just up to the host?
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On May 21 2013 09:07 s0Lstice wrote:
also, Marv
I'd like to hear about this some more:
It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on.
from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me?
I'd be interested to hear this too. And actually solstice your other post reminds me, where the FUCK is Dandel?
##Vote: Dandel Ion
I am aware I have other scumreads to push today but Dandel seems a good one as any to begin with; I can't simply go on marv's read of him alone. Dandel if you want to live through the day, fucking talk to me.
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Oh, whoops, quoted the wrong post Marv, my bad. This is the one I meant:
On May 21 2013 04:36 marvellosity wrote:Hmm, I found something that doesn't make GK look too hot. Here's his 2nd post in the game here, which I'll spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On May 18 2013 06:47 goodkarma wrote:I feel that Stutters's play so far has been scummy. First, he completely contradicts himself about his thoughts on meta: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:On May 18 2013 03:01 s0Lstice wrote:
the fact that i've only ever played town is a pretty important piece of information to share for people who don't know me/haven't played with me.
getting my share on, don't hate Maybe I'm reading to much into this but I'm wondering why you want people to focus on your meta? Let's say I tell you this is like my 13th game without rolling scum. What does that tell you about my play this game that you'd consider important at all right now? So he doesn't feel meta's important here. But: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:19 Stutters695 wrote:On May 18 2013 03:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 03:06 s0Lstice wrote:On May 18 2013 03:04 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 03:02 s0Lstice wrote:
stutters, you got any scum games you can quickly point me to save me some time? OOHHH Let me. As town, He lurks but sometimes says useful things. As scum, He lurks. Ohhh but not this time, according to him. Stutters you are forbidden to lurk.
Not the first, nor the last time that phrase will be heard in this forum. Excellent summary of my town play. That fabled scum game is still waiting to happen though. When it comes to excusing his lurky play, it matters. Also, I found this to be scummy: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now I could get behind a Vayne lynch. vayne how many games have you played (on TL and in general if you've played on other sites)? In other words, he's ready to sheep onto a Vayne lynch bandwaggon if it gains momentum. But he doesn't want to draw atttention to himself by putting down a vote. #Vote: StuttersI look forward to Stutters's response. If it is to be believed he's sometimes useful as town, then that's another scumtell as he's been nothing but useless thus far. Here's a couple of things he said in The Game. Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 05:31 goodkarma wrote:@Mr. Wiggles:On March 17 2013 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2013 03:53 goodkarma wrote:On March 17 2013 02:46 Coagulation wrote:
The sast thing was clearly a joke. It was like an hour into day 1 and there was no one posting. You can just expect to be nailing scum 1 hour into day 1 when 90% of players havnt posted. thats fucking absurd. so omg someone makes a joke post to pass the time. Okay. I can understand it was early. But if we were to look in the here and now you still haven't provided anything that suggests who you think could be scum.I think what peashooter, and others here are getting at, is either post something that helps us scumhunt, or don't post at all. I am less inclined than others here to just policy lynch you. But you make it hard for us when you continue to spam the thread with emotional OMGUS responses. Hopefully you see where we're coming from. I would be most interested in hearing about your read on Grey. What are your own reads for scum? You've mentioned twice the need to scumhunt, and here you're chiding Coag for not providing anything in regards to who he thinks is scum, when you yourself have done the same. It's just more of the same general game play talk with no actual stances taken in regards to your own opinions. ##Vote: goodkarmaConvince me you're not scum. Sowy, but I'm not giving you any scumreads until I'm ready to. You claim I haven't been scumhunting, but if you were to look at my posting so far I have: 1) Worked towards establishing a pro-town atmosphere, a reasonable early goal
2) Been pushing others for reads to get a better understanding of their motives and thought process, which is very important to getting scumreadsAs far as cases go, which aren't the only component of scumhunting: As I said, when I'm ready. And I promise you it will be long before the end of the day. But what I'd recommend you to do right now is to focus some of your energies on getting others to participate (not everyone has even posted yet!), and pursue some of your other scumreads. Because tunneling one read, and going into lurker mode thereafter is in itself pretty scummy... Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 09:15 goodkarma wrote:
I will be presenting my own case before the evening's done, so everyone has a solid 24ish hours to look at it. But I typically don't like to jump into cases as quickly as some here. Call that scummy if you want, but it's my playstyle. Highlights in bold and red are mine. The bolds are self-explanatory, and I bolded the red to explain it slightly - goodkarma is saying in this passage that it's important to push people for their motivations and thought processes, and thinks it's very important. Here he makes an early case on Stutters (despite saying last town-game he doesn't make early cases) and he never talked to him first about his thought processes. I would note at the end of his post in this thread he says "I look forward to Stutters response". But if we're to take his posts in The Game at face value, goodkarma likes to play by getting responses FIRST, voting LATER.
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S0l that's irrelevant if I'm understanding you correctly because he's saying he wasn't playing to his town meta by voting me instead of starting with a conversation and then voting once he heard my reasoning. Checking his PM has no affect on that.
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On May 21 2013 09:18 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 08:34 marvellosity wrote:
I would say town vigis usually shoot on night 1s (even though they shouldn't in minis especially, they should wait). I rolled vigi 3 times, shot twice first night and once 2nd night. Then again I don't expect to live to use my shot.
In my last game I was vig but I wasn't allowed to shoot till n2. Is that just for newbie games or is it just up to the host?
Completely dependant on setup. We won't know until a vig flips/post game if there is no vig.
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On May 21 2013 09:16 s0Lstice wrote:To make this post... Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 02:17 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2013 02:10 yamato77 wrote:His suspicion on JJD is not well-explained by any stretch of the imagination. On May 18 2013 08:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
JJD looks like a decent lynch. I'd sheep that. On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm mainly interested in lynching jjd and gk atm.
What has been said about jdd has been said, and he hasn't said anything. Yeah, no. This struck me as a valid point (perhaps because he was partially agreeing with me...) On May 18 2013 20:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On May 18 2013 19:18 marvellosity wrote:
One other thing - something I don't like that both WoS and JarJar are doing is complaining about thread activity. That riles me quite a bit. Especially with WoS, given how posty he usually is himself. This actually interesting, since they do it only 10 minutes apart from each other. I think if they were both scum, they'd be more self-conscious about things like that and, if not not say it at all (since it sounds scummy as hell), at least space it out a little? That's a scumtell on JJD mainly, I'd say. He's hinding his scummery behind the posts of somebody else. He also made it sound like he's not complaining when he totally was complaining. And this is a pretty devious post construction if he's mafia: On May 19 2013 21:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
I found it weird people were backing off jjd for no good reason/while keeping him in their "scum/would lynch" pile, so, trying to make sense of shit I decided to do a jjd counter!
JJD Counter: Spicy voting him and confusing his name with WoS
solstice defending him
BH saying he would lynch jjd
^DP trying to lynch BH for that
everyone else deflecting on BH
GK saying he would like to lynch jjd, yet votes BH in accordance with ^
JJD COUNTER DISCONTINUED BECAUSE GK CLAIMED SCUM GG
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You have to have a solid opinion on whether he actually checked his role PM or not at the time you made it, correct?
sorry, I don't understand what that post has to do with GK checking his role PM?
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On May 21 2013 09:19 s0Lstice wrote:Oh, whoops, quoted the wrong post Marv, my bad. This is the one I meant: Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 04:36 marvellosity wrote:Hmm, I found something that doesn't make GK look too hot. Here's his 2nd post in the game here, which I'll spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On May 18 2013 06:47 goodkarma wrote:I feel that Stutters's play so far has been scummy. First, he completely contradicts himself about his thoughts on meta: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:On May 18 2013 03:01 s0Lstice wrote:
the fact that i've only ever played town is a pretty important piece of information to share for people who don't know me/haven't played with me.
getting my share on, don't hate Maybe I'm reading to much into this but I'm wondering why you want people to focus on your meta? Let's say I tell you this is like my 13th game without rolling scum. What does that tell you about my play this game that you'd consider important at all right now? So he doesn't feel meta's important here. But: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:19 Stutters695 wrote:On May 18 2013 03:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 03:06 s0Lstice wrote:On May 18 2013 03:04 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 03:02 s0Lstice wrote:
stutters, you got any scum games you can quickly point me to save me some time? OOHHH Let me. As town, He lurks but sometimes says useful things. As scum, He lurks. Ohhh but not this time, according to him. Stutters you are forbidden to lurk.
Not the first, nor the last time that phrase will be heard in this forum. Excellent summary of my town play. That fabled scum game is still waiting to happen though. When it comes to excusing his lurky play, it matters. Also, I found this to be scummy: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now I could get behind a Vayne lynch. vayne how many games have you played (on TL and in general if you've played on other sites)? In other words, he's ready to sheep onto a Vayne lynch bandwaggon if it gains momentum. But he doesn't want to draw atttention to himself by putting down a vote. #Vote: StuttersI look forward to Stutters's response. If it is to be believed he's sometimes useful as town, then that's another scumtell as he's been nothing but useless thus far. Here's a couple of things he said in The Game. On March 17 2013 05:31 goodkarma wrote:@Mr. Wiggles:On March 17 2013 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2013 03:53 goodkarma wrote:On March 17 2013 02:46 Coagulation wrote:
The sast thing was clearly a joke. It was like an hour into day 1 and there was no one posting. You can just expect to be nailing scum 1 hour into day 1 when 90% of players havnt posted. thats fucking absurd. so omg someone makes a joke post to pass the time. Okay. I can understand it was early. But if we were to look in the here and now you still haven't provided anything that suggests who you think could be scum.I think what peashooter, and others here are getting at, is either post something that helps us scumhunt, or don't post at all. I am less inclined than others here to just policy lynch you. But you make it hard for us when you continue to spam the thread with emotional OMGUS responses. Hopefully you see where we're coming from. I would be most interested in hearing about your read on Grey. What are your own reads for scum? You've mentioned twice the need to scumhunt, and here you're chiding Coag for not providing anything in regards to who he thinks is scum, when you yourself have done the same. It's just more of the same general game play talk with no actual stances taken in regards to your own opinions. ##Vote: goodkarmaConvince me you're not scum. Sowy, but I'm not giving you any scumreads until I'm ready to. You claim I haven't been scumhunting, but if you were to look at my posting so far I have: 1) Worked towards establishing a pro-town atmosphere, a reasonable early goal
2) Been pushing others for reads to get a better understanding of their motives and thought process, which is very important to getting scumreadsAs far as cases go, which aren't the only component of scumhunting: As I said, when I'm ready. And I promise you it will be long before the end of the day. But what I'd recommend you to do right now is to focus some of your energies on getting others to participate (not everyone has even posted yet!), and pursue some of your other scumreads. Because tunneling one read, and going into lurker mode thereafter is in itself pretty scummy... On March 17 2013 09:15 goodkarma wrote:
I will be presenting my own case before the evening's done, so everyone has a solid 24ish hours to look at it. But I typically don't like to jump into cases as quickly as some here. Call that scummy if you want, but it's my playstyle. Highlights in bold and red are mine. The bolds are self-explanatory, and I bolded the red to explain it slightly - goodkarma is saying in this passage that it's important to push people for their motivations and thought processes, and thinks it's very important. Here he makes an early case on Stutters (despite saying last town-game he doesn't make early cases) and he never talked to him first about his thought processes. I would note at the end of his post in this thread he says "I look forward to Stutters response". But if we're to take his posts in The Game at face value, goodkarma likes to play by getting responses FIRST, voting LATER.
oh ninjad. Well as per my post last page, he's either claiming to be town, or that he didn't read his role PM and that he was playing for town. so whatever really.
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On May 21 2013 09:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 09:07 s0Lstice wrote:
also, Marv
I'd like to hear about this some more:
It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on.
from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me? I'd be interested to hear this too. And actually solstice your other post reminds me, where the FUCK is Dandel? ##Vote: Dandel IonI am aware I have other scumreads to push today but Dandel seems a good one as any to begin with; I can't simply go on marv's read of him alone. Dandel if you want to live through the day, fucking talk to me.
So what makes you vote DI over BH. Do you not feel BH is nearly confirmed scum after finding out iamp is a mason?
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What I'm saying is this.
If you believe that GK did not check his PM, then you really can't treat anything he did before he said that as alignment indicative, right? Therefore, you should not be citing posts before that point.
If you believe GK lied and did check the PM, then you should be calling for his lynch at the top of your lungs because there is no town motivation to lie about that.
Ergo, if you are citing his posts that came before he said he didn't check his PM, an opinion is required on whether he was being truthful or not.
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On May 21 2013 09:27 s0Lstice wrote:
What I'm saying is this.
If you believe that GK did not check his PM, then you really can't treat anything he did before he said that as alignment indicative, right? Therefore, you should not be citing posts before that point.
If you believe GK lied and did check the PM, then you should be calling for his lynch at the top of your lungs because there is no town motivation to lie about that.
Ergo, if you are citing his posts that came before he said he didn't check his PM, an opinion is required on whether he was being truthful or not.
you're not reading, or understanding, because i explained this in one of my responses to GK already.
On May 19 2013 13:07 goodkarma wrote:
If you want to lynch me, suit yourself. Just know this:
Day 1 I don't check my role PM. So you're basically random lynching.
I've resolved to do my best to help town, regardless of alignment, day one. Even as scum, if I were to lynch a teammate I figured I'd just be removing a liability. It was the fruit of all the bitterness of having people down my throat every day one as town.
And if you don't believe me, check hydra mini mafia II obsQT. The only reason I knew my alignment early there was because of my partner peaked.
I've honestly become very tired of putting up with this shit every day one. So feel free to lynch me. I've put it out there. I'll check my alignment closer to the deadline...
And hopefully you'll have enough sanity to go after the obvious people that should be looked into for lynching (BH / JarJar) instead of the guy that's being a tryhard.
his contention is that he was playing for town. ergo, i'm going to draw comparisons between how i expect him to behave when he's playing for town and 'knows' he's town or whatever.
basically
1) if he's lying about his role PM he should die
2) if he's telling the truth, he still didn't behave like i'd expect a town GK (or a GK 'resolving to do his best to help town') to do, which was my original point.
it's really not complicated.
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On May 19 2013 19:22 marvellosity wrote:
Just caught up on 8 pages and my mind's all blank because I'm still absolutely fuming about the GK role PM thing.
I kinda feel like Marv should have had an opinion on whether he was lying or not, if he was fuming about it.
The quote I just posted implies that Marv thinks posts prior to GKs claim are alignment indicative-->so he therefore must think he is lying-->and therefore should really be telling us to lynch the liar for lying.
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I still want a real explanation for Dandel's last second vote switch. He claimed it was for consolidation but it wasn't necessary for the vote. When he was called out on it, he gave a bullshit response.
On May 21 2013 00:34 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 00:30 iamperfection wrote:On May 21 2013 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote:On May 21 2013 00:05 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 21 2013 00:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
please I'll re ask my question that got buried before the BH slip. Dandel if you thought that sputnik should be vig shot and not lynched then why vote at the last second for the lynch? On May 19 2013 21:00 Dandel Ion wrote:On May 19 2013 05:45 marvellosity wrote:
The weirdest thing about Dandel that I noticed is when he gave a bunch of names he could lynch, sputnik wasn't one of them, when it seemed he would fit on the list he made. Becaue 1) I find him mildly amusing 2) he's hyper-lurking which should be dealt with by vigshootings/host KP consolidation he still was a better vig shot than lynch but your vote wasn't necessary you are american, how dare you say this every vote counts for FREEDOM
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That was the real explaination though
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On May 21 2013 09:33 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 19:22 marvellosity wrote:
Just caught up on 8 pages and my mind's all blank because I'm still absolutely fuming about the GK role PM thing. I kinda feel like Marv should have had an opinion on whether he was lying or not, if he was fuming about it. The quote I just posted implies that Marv thinks posts prior to GKs claim are alignment indicative-->so he therefore must think he is lying-->and therefore should really be telling us to lynch the liar for lying.
I think not reading your role PM goes completely against the spirit of the game and I find it absolutely disgusting.
In Red Team I joined Hapa's policy lynch on OO for a while when he said he didn't read his role PM without saying much about it before leaving it alone and not talking about it.
I'm not wasting my time thinking about something that's basically the height of unsportsmanship.
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On May 21 2013 09:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 09:33 s0Lstice wrote:On May 19 2013 19:22 marvellosity wrote:
Just caught up on 8 pages and my mind's all blank because I'm still absolutely fuming about the GK role PM thing. I kinda feel like Marv should have had an opinion on whether he was lying or not, if he was fuming about it. The quote I just posted implies that Marv thinks posts prior to GKs claim are alignment indicative-->so he therefore must think he is lying-->and therefore should really be telling us to lynch the liar for lying. I think not reading your role PM goes completely against the spirit of the game and I find it absolutely disgusting. In Red Team I joined Hapa's policy lynch on OO for a while when he said he didn't read his role PM without saying much about it before leaving it alone and not talking about it. I'm not wasting my time thinking about something that's basically the height of unsportsmanship.
well, maybe the 2nd height, after posting post-death.
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On May 21 2013 09:26 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 09:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 09:07 s0Lstice wrote:
also, Marv
I'd like to hear about this some more:
It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on.
from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me? I'd be interested to hear this too. And actually solstice your other post reminds me, where the FUCK is Dandel? ##Vote: Dandel IonI am aware I have other scumreads to push today but Dandel seems a good one as any to begin with; I can't simply go on marv's read of him alone. Dandel if you want to live through the day, fucking talk to me. So what makes you vote DI over BH. Do you not feel BH is nearly confirmed scum after finding out iamp is a mason?
I can't honestly say how I feel about it. I have experienced scum BH before and as I've mentioned before some of it feels like it fits but not exactly. This could also very well be an easy frame attempt from mafia, or it could be exactly what it looks like and BH is scum.
I am more than happy to consolidate on a BH lynch later on but considering the entire town is already down his throat, one extra person pushing him is one more person not trying to find other scum.
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So you didn't think at all about whether he was lying or not? Just got angry about it?
It was good enough to policy lynch there, but not here?
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On May 21 2013 09:43 s0Lstice wrote:
So you didn't think at all about whether he was lying or not? Just got angry about it?
It was good enough to policy lynch there, but not here?
stop asking me stupid questions, it's really irritating.
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It's not a stupid question. If you got angry enough in RED to join the bandwagon, then what was different about this time that you didn't hop on GK's rather healthy wagon?
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