[M][N] Les Mafia - Page 89

On May 21 2013 08:21 marvellosity wrote:


pretty low, he's constantly put off scumhunting + making cases, despite promising to do so last night. He didn't use our mason QT as a chance to get anything done like he said he would either. Further his opening couple of posts in said QT came off rather as overjustification for masoning me (I talk about this in the iamp QT too)

On May 21 2013 08:24 Blazinghand wrote:


but you asked me

On May 21 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
GK: so you're proposing you play differently when you don't know your alignment to when you know you're town?

On May 19 2013 13:07 goodkarma wrote:
If you want to lynch me, suit yourself. Just know this:

Day 1 I don't check my role PM. So you're basically random lynching.

I've resolved to do my best to help town, regardless of alignment, day one. Even as scum, if I were to lynch a teammate I figured I'd just be removing a liability. It was the fruit of all the bitterness of having people down my throat every day one as town.

And if you don't believe me, check hydra mini mafia II obsQT. The only reason I knew my alignment early there was because of my partner peaked.


I've honestly become very tired of putting up with this shit every day one. So feel free to lynch me. I've put it out there. I'll check my alignment closer to the deadline...

And hopefully you'll have enough sanity to go after the obvious people that should be looked into for lynching (BH / JarJar) instead of the guy that's being a tryhard.

On May 21 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
I don't know which I find more likely. Maybe I'll muse on which Les Mis character would likely be SK. Tenardier perhaps? :>

Blazing's assumption that it means 3p is certainly not a good one. When I was last mafia in a 16 player mini, we had a mafia vigi (Hero Mini Mafia).

If town has a vigi he might not have shot last night. Who knows.

On May 21 2013 08:28 goodkarma wrote:


I've already explicitly described my thought process behind what I did day one in my filter. You should read that more closely.:

On May 21 2013 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:


in fact, when i gave a short explanation, you asked for more explanation afterwards, which i provided

wtf

On May 21 2013 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:

Well I require some insight if you will as I have never rolled scum or any sort of NK role.
Do people often wait to use vigi shots if town/scum? I think most if not all of the games I've seen with one-shot vigs (although apparently there's other types of vigs like infinite shot? I've only ever seen one-shot i think) they tend to shoot pretty much as soon as they can?
As far as shot reasoning, from what I understand:
Mafia vig - shoot to remove extra threats, or cause confusion amongst town
Town vig - shoot to remove lurkers, or if you're REALLY sure someone is scum?

The Rayn kill obviously doesn't fit in my understanding of what a townvig should be doing (even though he lurked slightly more than usual for him, doesn't compare to other people in this thread) therefore it must have been mafia vig or 3P. I know in LXI Grush was shot by Ace because STARSENSES and he was a low profile player---likely to cause confusion as to who shot him and why (though in the end I think he really gave away that it wasn't a mafia shot because no mafia would ever shoot grush lol) so it makes me wonder if a 3P were choosing a similar strategy to Ace why not either shoot Grush to cause that confusion once more or a similarly useless player? Why Rayn?

On May 21 2013 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
well it seemed like a good idea.

On May 21 2013 08:34 marvellosity wrote:


I would say town vigis usually shoot on night 1s (even though they shouldn't in minis especially, they should wait). I rolled vigi 3 times, shot twice first night and once 2nd night. Then again I don't expect to live to use my shot.

Shooting grush causes no confusion (at least not to a town with me alive). Either town vigi claims his bad shot and I shout at them, or it's 3p, because on night 1 especially it sure as hell isn't a mafia shot.

If I were 3p, I would leave enough weirdish, unreadable-ish players around like grush, stutters etc around as much as possible, because they never bring clarity to a game.

On May 21 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:


So you're playing for town, which you were pretty insistent in The Game meant you were taking it slow and not making premature cases, wanting to interact before voting etc.

You can't use not reading your role PM as part of your defence but then say you'd be playing as you would as town.

On May 21 2013 09:04 goodkarma wrote:


I definitely can. If I were to not PM peek and then later look and find out I'm scum, I wouldn't have bias in my posts until after that point. And that's very relevant to your case at hand, and what originally made you so irked, no? This is very much about you not believing that claim, so don't pretend it isn't.

My play here is a little different from my prior games, and I've already highlighted those differences. I've also shown you how meta analyzing me based on my prior scumgames is pretty bad.


That leaves my reads, so I'd like to ask you: what about them do you disagree with? That is my strength, and where the discussion should be. In particular, I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say about what I recently posted about Dandel.

On May 21 2013 09:04 s0Lstice wrote:
Marv,

do you believe that GK didn't check his role PM?

On May 21 2013 09:07 s0Lstice wrote:
also, Marv

I'd like to hear about this some more:

It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on.

from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me?

On May 21 2013 02:17 marvellosity wrote:


This struck me as a valid point (perhaps because he was partially agreeing with me...)



And this is a pretty devious post construction if he's mafia: