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On May 21 2013 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
Hmm, I found something that doesn't make GK look too hot.

Here's his 2nd post in the game here, which I'll spoiler:

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Here's a couple of things he said in The Game.





Highlights in bold and red are mine. The bolds are self-explanatory, and I bolded the red to explain it slightly - goodkarma is saying in this passage that it's important to push people for their motivations and thought processes, and thinks it's very important.

Here he makes an early case on Stutters (despite saying last town-game he doesn't make early cases) and he never talked to him first about his thought processes.

I would note at the end of his post in this thread he says "I look forward to Stutters response". But if we're to take his posts in The Game at face value, goodkarma likes to play by getting responses FIRST, voting LATER.

On May 19 2013 20:18 goodkarma wrote:
It came to my attention that I might not be able to make the substantial post I promised if indeed I get up close to the lynch deadline (which will likely be the case). As such, I'm just going to post it now. Below is my promised listpost. If you want the TL;DR version of it go to the bottom. The most relevant part is obviously Spicy, who is who I’m going to be voting for.


Stutters: I know this guy is capable as town of meaningful analysis when he's actually around. Sadly though, that isn't the case here. He's content to afk for the most part... I’d say very slight town only because he seems to have a similar kind of rhetoric and demeanor to what I remember when I played with him in his newbie game. But I would definitely pressure him to get more out of him.

Iamperfection: I'm pretty confident this guy's town right now.

Grush: This guy's a troll. And a source of frustration for me. I'd say based on his behavior he's scum, but for now I will take a blind leap of faith for the starsenses (given that he's allegedly never ever broken from this). If he could provide any kind of helpful insight at all into his thoughts on this game I would feel far better about this...

Blazinghand: This guy is not the aggressive dude I'm familiar with as scum or town. I get he's playing three games, but how is it that the only people he can get behind are a popular bandwagon (Vayne and later me) or complete lurkers (JarJar)? And then just troll… If it gets to some kind of LYLO situation and the expected number of blues are already accounted for I’d take his blueclaim to be a scum fakeclaim.

WaveofShadow: I feel less good about lynching him right now. Looking through his filter, I see that he has an active involvement in the game. I'm not a fan of his playstyle, and the certainty of his statements about Grush and Sputnik were definitely scummy, but the way his reads evolve and the way he seems to actually care about what's going on in the thread indicates to me he's town (slight townread).

JarJarDrinks: I’ve already discussed this guy. He is a scumread for me atm.

Yamato: Townread.

Solstice: In general what stands out to me about him is that he really doesn’t seem to stick his neck out too much. He’s spent a fair deal of time ambivalently thinking I’m scum off and on. In general, I’d say I really don’t like the exchanges we’ve had. Especially some of the stuff with JarJar felt like he was less interested in looking at what I was saying and more interested in finding ammunition to launch a case. He’s a slight scumread, mostly by process of elimination.

Vayne: He seems to be cooperative with thread in actually moving away from his ridiculous no lynch idea and forming his own opinions. While he’s not a fountain of transparency, he’s played similarly to how he played his prior newbie game. Very slight townread.

Sputnik: Afk lurker. Tbh I’m expecting him to get modkilled. If he isn’t modkilled, he’ll get vigi’ed. I’m going to say that his limited shitty play to date is not alignment indicative (he’s shown he can play like this as town in past games). So let’s say for now there’s a 75% chance the dude’s town (assuming 4 scum).

Marv: Shows an interest in solving the game that I believe is consistent with town alignment. I must confess though I am not very familiar with his scumgame.

Spicydinosaur: What stands out most to me about spicy is that he has had a bit to say but he's had literally ZERO scumreads most of the game. He's pretty wishy-washy in general. One post that demonstrated this well he literally started (in discussing Solstice) by saying “I think this guy is very scummy.” And ends the post saying “I don’t think he’s scum.” Further, in his vote post he somehow manages to mix up the name of who he’s voting for. For sure this could be an honest mistake, but it definitely doesn’t demonstrate he’s very invested in the game. When you think someone’s scum, it’s generally burning in your mind as you’re writing up your post. That he could just mix things up, say “oops sorry” to the thread, and then get away with it is disturbing to me. This is the kind of guy you shouldn't let fly under the radar. In the newbie game that just finished that I observed, he had opinions on other players he thought were scummy. That just isn’t the case here. He’s like “this guy looks kinda bad,” or “this guy is a shitty townie,” but when it comes to who’s actually scum he kinda doesn’t have much to say until his botched up vote post.

Dandel: Seems very focused on getting me lynched. In general I haven’t found his discussions very insightful. A troll he may be, but honestly I don't feel very confident he's town atm. I agree with Yamato that this guy is a good lynch candidate.

Darth: Seems to have an active interest in solving this game. I'd say he's town.

Rayne: A disruptive troll that obviously hasn't been reading the thread and obviously doesn't have very much useful to say. Idk if scum would play this poorly. However, as best I can tell it’s not something this guy normally does as town… I’d say he might be trying a different scumgame than what he’s tried in the past. I just don’t feel comfortable giving people who do this shit a free pass. If Sputnik’s modkilled I’d vigi him for sure.

In summary:
ObvTown: GK
Probably Town: Iamp, Yamato, Darth, Marv
People I’m assuming are town for now: Blazinghand, Grush
Slight Townreads: Wave, Vayne, Stutters
Afk/modkill territory: Sputnik
Scumlist: Spicy, JarJar, Dandel, Solstice, Rayne (I’d lynch in that order)

On May 21 2013 06:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
Why would a team around scum-BH shoot iamperfection, directly implicating him further?

Basically, that assumes that either a SK shot iamp, or he's getting bussed all the way. Otherwise it just makes no sense.

On May 21 2013 07:54 Blazinghand wrote:
So we don't have a claim for that 2nd shot, do we? Means there's a 3p in the game, and I've been counterclaimed, so nobody's going to listen to me until I flip. I'll just do what I can to write a good case then so after I flip there's something for you guys to work off of.

On May 21 2013 07:54 Blazinghand wrote:
So we don't have a claim for that 2nd shot, do we? Means there's a 3p in the game, and I've been counterclaimed, so nobody's going to listen to me until I flip. I'll just do what I can to write a good case then so after I flip there's something for you guys to work off of.

On May 21 2013 07:18 VayneAuthority wrote:


Found rayn suspicious early, so my scumdar on this guy goes down a bit.

But then later a quick search on his filter brings up a lot of conversation with iamp and rayn and he never really accuses either of being mafia...still a pretty weak scumread for me. This could be the one im wrong about

On May 21 2013 07:21 goodkarma wrote:


First off, the wording is "don't typically," which is very important. You (and everyone else) seem to be treating my day one play as though I had knowledge of my alignment, which isn't the case...

With Stutters, my early vote was a form of pressure. It's been my experience that he's very hard to get much out of at times, so an early case felt appropriate.

Further, if you are to look at this game and compare it to prior ones, you will notice I have no mention of policy lurker lynches, which has been an early staple of my play (regardless of alignment) since like forever. So if you believe, as some seem to, that my use of meta-analysis is poor, yet are holding me to some kind of meta, I would like you to consider my two scumgames.:

1) LVII I could pretty much do whatever the fuck I wanted (as long as I didn't draw a RB), as Mattchew was caught and I was planning on suiciding night one. So I was more aggressive there than I normally would be.

2) My very first scumgame which no one seems to remember or mention (NMM XXIII) was mostly a lurkfest. I sat there and made a case or two. The moment I was suspected I crumbled up and waited to die...

So in short, if I were scum I'm confident that what you'd see something different from both of them. But what you wouldn't have seen is me throwing around votes as hard as I did or changing my stances like I did. I've played enough to know better than to make a bajillion vote switches as scum. I would have been far more cautious.

And yes, you could respond with something like "Well wouldn't you as scum, knowing all this, just make a post like this anyway?" You should be familiar enough now with the way I've played as town to understand my playstyle and thought process. People rail on me all the time for my day one townplay. It's because of policy talk, or focusing on lurkey players, or some creative play that no one likes (not looking at role PM day 1)...

If you were to believe me when I say that I didn't look at my role PM until when I said I did in thread, and then assess my reads, I would like to know how you think they line up with yours. Move spicy to null, BH to certain scum+ Show Spoiler +, and Rayne to confirmed town, and that's about where I stand right now. I may have a "hard-to-read playstyle," but the one thing that has always been consistent is the strength of my reads. They become solid over time as town, and are absolute shit as scum. If you are to judge me on anything, I recommend you look at that.

On May 21 2013 08:14 marvellosity wrote:
it could not "very easily" be town vig, Wave. I'd eat BlazingHand's hat if one of those shots was a town vig shot.

On May 21 2013 08:17 Stutters695 wrote:
Marv, what are the odds of BH being a town mason in your opinion?

On May 21 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
I don't know which I find more likely. Maybe I'll muse on which Les Mis character would likely be SK. Tenardier perhaps? :>

Blazing's assumption that it means 3p is certainly not a good one. When I was last mafia in a 16 player mini, we had a mafia vigi (Hero Mini Mafia).

If town has a vigi he might not have shot last night. Who knows.