Nomination Mafia - Page 73

On February 10 2013 00:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
.Jaybrundage

Votes Djo for RNG bullshit. Case spoilered for reference.

My concern with this is, it's an easy case to make. Scum want to pick out the easymode lynches. Kind of like how people pick on Mr. Z for being 'obvious scum' when he's always town, the guy that attacks him in usually scum. Like Mr. Z, Djo is an extremely easy target to point a finger at this early in the thread. No comments on Mocsta - Oats penis measuring contest, just snipes at Djo.

His next big revelation is that JX has been useless and he would loves to lynch him:



Okay, so an easy vote and an easy scumread on JX because he's useless and stuff.

Then there's this post...



Oh my goodness this post. Asks questions to half the thread. I don't understand what the point of 'stop lurking' to 3 people and asking mocsta what he'd rate his scumplay have to do with scumhunting buuuut okay.

He proceeds then to pressure Djo for more of his RNG bullshit, which is bullshit sure, but this pressure is not really achieving anything.

His vote on JX is suspect because I can't find a place in his filter where he has a discussion with JX. His reasoning seems also very sheepish and weak.

Overall, Jay is just that guy who goes for the ez 'loluobvscumbrah' vote, and then the ez sheep / consolidate vote.

On February 12 2013 11:56 jaybrundage wrote:

Oats/CC: Oats and CC are scum because they have avoided the radar and stopped giving there opinions on things after town didn't suspect them. They haven't been under suspicion at all recently and they use it. To do nothing, That is a giant scum tell in my eyes.

-SNIP-

On February 13 2013 07:09 jaybrundage wrote:
Mr.CC is also probably scum as well given his vote switches

On February 06 2013 18:55 phagga wrote:


I never wanted to imply those things. I see Oats behaviour as disruptive, and I see how he misinterpreted your posts. It is also fine that you call him out on this, it's just the way you did it on a few occasions that got my attention.



First, I never ever wanted to suggest we RNG the votes! That would kill of discussion and is absolutely unnecessary. I just wanted to say that statistically, random lynches on D1 would be more successful than what town normally is doing, hence lynching lurkers (who can be a liability for town later on) D1 is a viable option. Nevertheless, our goal has to be to find scum and lynch them, starting D1.

How the D1 lynch should go down IMO:

- If we have a clear scum suspect, let's lynch him
- If not, but there is a lurker who we can not get any alignement of, lynch him.

Finally, only because the setup SHOULD mitigate lurking does not mean there will be no lurkers.

On February 08 2013 02:51 phagga wrote:


Dude I wrote i am on the train, how about you read my posts? Yes, set on jx. My point was more about scum abusing palmars meta, his behaviour so far is just not alignement-indicative, and he is probably the only one that I would let get away with it.

Snarf I feel unsure about, have to read up fully on his case on VE. I currently think he might be right about VE, so I do not want to lynch him

On February 07 2013 18:55 phagga wrote:
My vote goes to JieXian for coming into the thread and voting Mocsta for a bad reason, then completely disappearing again.

##Vote JieXian

Regarding Palmar: he is trolling hard, I dont know if all you got this:




Nevertheless, he is trolling D1 as either town or scum, and I know how good a player he can be, so I hesitate to lynch him for now.

prplhz dissappearance is worrying, might be timezone related. His filter is devoid of analysis. I hope to see some more from him in the next few hours.

I will read up on Djo and Snarfs at the next possibility and comment on them.

On February 10 2013 08:13 phagga wrote:

Yamato: You posted this nice little list here. JX as flipped town, and Palmar is probably town due to nomination, so who are your scum reads currently?

Also, what are your reasons that you read me as scum?

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I have posted an early analysis of Yamatos play here which resulted in me leaning scum on him. Here are a few more things I noticed when going through his filter. Some of these are minor compared to the points I brought up in the other post, but they reinforce my read on Yamato.



This is 26 hours into the game, and Yamato has the game figured out, or at least a good chunk of it already. That's pretty bold, considering that some players had been barely active up to that and several had not made any hard stances whatsoever.Unless, of course, he already knows the alignement of every player, which would make him scum. Now, let's have a look at this list:



Two of his 3 scum reads have already turned out to be town, that's how much he figured out the game. The really interesting part however is that the 3 people he lists as mafia are all lurkers who had all been called out by someone else already. THIS LIST IS EXTREMELY SAFE FOR A SCUM PLAYER. He does not list any scum behaviour for any of those people except for "they lurk" or in snarfs case:


That's the only reasoning why snarfs is in that list. Where is the alignement indication in this sentence? What makes snarfs scum? We don't know.
Now I know it is not unheard of that 3/4th of a scum team lurks. But keep in mind that this game was designed specifically to force the scum team to be active. Of course there can still be a lurker (which is why for example VE or me advocated a Lynch all Lurker policy, or a variant thereof), but chances are that in this very game the majority of the scum team will be active.

I say Yamato posted that list to present reads, and therefor make the impression that he is contributing. However, he knew that with this list he would barely be attacked/questioned for his reads. There were several other players for each of his scum reads who shared the sentiment at that point, and it would be easy for him to look contributing and hide in the masses at the same time.

About his Mocsta case:

Yamato was the third player to vote Mocsta after Oats and JX, and he first refused to make a case.



After being called out by sloosh he made a case, which was deemed weak by many (including me). Now, a weak case is not necessarily a scum trait, as town is able to produce them as well. So, let's just go forward and look at how Yamato later backs down from his case:



Mocsta is town because he defended himself, and because he is reading Yamato in the wrong alignment. How are this reasons in any way alignement indicative? I don't see how a townie backs down from a case for this. And then he lists several points that (in his opinion) speak against Mocsta, but Mocsta is town despite that. And, of course, all this wishy-washy-behaviour from yamato is no scum trait of him, oh no, you need to get better reasons.
So he even knows he behaves like scum, but does nothing to avoid it, and instead puts the burden on all the others to find more reasons to prove he is scum. However, when you are town, would you not try to avoid this in the first place? Because first of all, it saves you a lot of trouble to prove that you are not scum, and second, it saves your town teammates the trouble of going through your filter to find out if you are indeed scum or not.

Since his list post Yamatos reads have barely changed. He made Djo town and me scum at some point, that's about it. So now that two of his 4 scum reads have flipped town, I'm eager to know who else is mafia for him.

Nevertheless, Yamato is scum.

On February 13 2013 07:39 phagga wrote:


Dude, I might do the deciding vote here, I just want to be sure it's the right pick.

That said, snarfs is a lurker, for whatever reason. VE had stuff in his play that just did not make any sense from a town perspective. Let's lynch VE.

##Vote: VisceraEyes

On February 13 2013 07:55 phagga wrote:
You know what, fuck it.

##unvote: VisceraEyes
##Vote: Snarfs

let's lynch the scummy lurker.