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Mocsta
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
What is your point Mocsta? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On February 14 2013 12:44 jaybrundage wrote: Do you want to lynch Phagga or not. It seems like he is the scummiest person in the thread atm. His vote change to bus Snarfs. His flip flopping all game. His paranoid posting habits and lack of hard stances. His giant case on VE then his lack of even a vote to follow up. I think that we have three townies up on the block. So it doesn't really matter imo. You have a scum read on CC. So vote him. I dont think it matters tho because I think your all town. Ofc I want to lynch Phagga. But I'm infinitely paranoid of you, jay. You're really going to have to convince me you're town, even if Phagga flips red. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
What is that an answer to? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Did you have a strong town read on CC before the Snarfs lynch? right now Mocsta, you are posting irrelevent questions in my opinion. So explain. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 14 2013 12:47 Mocsta wrote: Did you have a strong town read on CC before the Snarfs lynch? I'll respond to this as well. I had no town read on CC at all. However as I was wrong about snarfs he looks alot better. Also if he wants to lynch phagga with me he cant be that bad  | ||
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jaybrundage
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Jay Im not sure about the last one :/ | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
##Vote: slOosh | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 14 2013 12:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Ofc I want to lynch Phagga. But I'm infinitely paranoid of you, jay. You're really going to have to convince me you're town, even if Phagga flips red. Does it help that im cute  | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 14 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote: right now Mocsta, you are posting irrelevent questions in my opinion. So explain. Its not irrelevant at all. You and Jay admit you did not have a positive read on CC until after the Snarfs lynch. Before the bus I was calling out CC for scummy action and your reads on CC were not 'useful town'; Now after CC drove home Snarfs; you want to keep him in the game. Fact: Town has been in a shit house state since the first nominations: i.e. no-one listens to anybody; and no one has tried to take ownership of the town leader role. In this environment, scum can easily sacrifice one member for town cred. Its not even a gamble - that is how much of a sorry-state we are in. For most of the game, you and others have acknowledged I am town. My job this cycle is to convince you Mr. CC is scum. I am asking questions like the above; because I am trying to understand where to focus my energies on. Lastly, please keep an open mind when it comes to scum tactics. Jay/Xatalos just won over guys like WhereBugsGo in DesertMini using bussing to great success. Some of the people on my scum list are highly regarded on this forum for scum play; its not out of the question they would use bussing as a tactic to distance themselves. Heck, in my scum game I did it too and I was a newbie.. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 14 2013 11:18 jaybrundage wrote: Kind of disappointed by the nominations. Scum has decided to play it safe and just keep the same candidates plus one. I think we should go for CC as if anyone is scum its most likly him as if he's scum and did bush Snarfs hard he would try to ride the town cred and then if he survives this lynch then he would be more likley town in peoples eyes. He also could just b town and scum find him a threat. I find it wierd that VE isn't here if he is actually town. Given that your voting CC mocsta who's your vote for going to be tmw given you live. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 14 2013 14:14 jaybrundage wrote: Given that your voting CC mocsta who's your vote for going to be tmw given you live. Your first post is a fence sitter. You say "we should go for CC" but then say "he also could just b town". The most important comment is.. without Palmar in the game.. why is VE not nominated. So who is my vote going on next cycle? The man wit 'dem eyes. VE, was a close shave yesterday; and will be bleeding red if I am alive next cycle. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
The OP describes this game as difficult, and experienced players were prioritized. Why? It's not because this game has no blues. Vanilla games are fairly common on mafia enthusiast sites and are considered quite normal. You don't see many around here because it's just more fun to play with power roles, but Vanilla games are not the reason this game is special. This game considered difficult because of the lynch mechanic and the lack of a scum NK. And it's for this reason that I'm 100% sure that Cheese is town and that scum did not bus Snarfs until it was absolutely certain that he was going to be lynched, if at all. With nothing but mislynches, scum cannot win the game until at best D5. D1: 9 T v 4 S D2: 8 T v 4 S D3: 7 T v 4 S D4: 6 T v 4 S D5 5 T v 4 S <------MYLO Because of the lack of a scum NK, when a scum member dies the game is prolonged by two cycles. D1: 9 T v 4 S D2: 9 T v 3 S D3: 8 T v 3 S D4: 7 T v 3 S D5 6 T v 3 S D6: 5 T v 3 S D7: 4 T v 3 S <---------MYLO And that's a lot of days and mislynches for scum to slip through. And the more scum that die, the more days the game lasts. Which is hard enough considering the longer a game goes, the better it is for town. But factor in the bolded days in my examples. On even days, scum are forced to nominate who to lynch. "But VE, isn't that just like the scum NK? Shouldn't we just always assume that scum will just nominate townies so the game ends faster?" Nope. That couldn't be further from the truth. Because there are only so many townies in the game, if scum nominate only townies, a pattern begins to emerge the longer the game goes on. One which if not broken will reveal the entire scumteam. Therefor, it is my firm belief that scum did NOT bus Snarfs until it was ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that Snarfs was going to die, if at all. And the fact that Mocsta is all up in arms crying "Double-Bus! It has to be a scum double-bus trick perpetrated by a known scum trickster!" makes me extremely suspicious that he was the first break in the pattern. I'm home from work now guys, and I'm formatting my notes into cases. This could take a while, but I encourage everyone to seriously consider Mocsta's motives in the meantime. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
this is funny as.. VE, thanks for teaching me some tricks on how to handle these situations  | ||
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VisceraEyes
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yamato77
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First of all, consider how day 1 went down. Who had a case shoved at them really early? Mocsta. Who defended him? Plenty of people. If he's mafia, some of those people are inevitably also mafia, but some of them are town. So day 2 rolls around, and mafia is aware of two scummy looking town players, and one mafia player who a bunch of people read town. What's the risk in putting Mocsta up? Slim to none. Palmar or Sloosh was almost assuredly going to die that day. Lo and behold, a green head rolls, and Mocsta gets some cheap town cred for being in the gallows. Day three, who were Mocsta's scum reads? Me, who he relentlessly tunneled to the point of ABSOLUTE STUPIDITY, only to drop it on a moment's notice when I made one small post about why I switched my read on him day 1. Why didn't he make a point about it being scummy day 1 if he actually viewed it that way? He was on my case, complaining at me, but was there even a peep about it then? Nope. He lynched JX happily along with me, so I thought at the time he read me town. Then day 3 rolls around and it's all cool to have a scumread on me, so he does, because blendy scum is fucking blendy. He has to make up some stupid reason to have one, though, so he drums up some absurdly fake shit about how my read switches were "scummy" and I "drop my suspicions" too fast when the two previous days I stuck to my guns on JX and Palmar pretty fucking hard, and they both flipped town. Again, why is this popping up day 3? Opportunism. Just like his jump on to Snarfs: On February 13 2013 09:22 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Snarfs Its actually pretty weird he hasnt been present at all recently; especially now he is vote leader, and cant even make a statement. HOLY SHIT BATMAN THAT'S A SCUMMY VOTE RIGHT THERE. Before this, he was shouting VE's name from the rooftops. "LYNCH HIM, HE'S SCUM!" I call bullshit. ##Vote Mocsta | ||
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Mocsta
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Mocsta
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whilst its the scum who feel the need to set the tone and vote me and they not even saying town, now they trying to paint scum this is hillarious | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 14 2013 10:59 Mocsta wrote: OK guys, posting this as close to the nomination window as I can (assume actions lock in at 10:00am (my time) and its 9:59am now. Regardless of who is up there my picks for the remaining three mafia = (1)Mr. CC - Led the bus onto Snarfs: plan is to ride the town cred home.I been suspicious of this fucker for a while. (2)Yamato - one of those two is scum; haven't made up my mind, im (slightly) leaning towards phagga (3)VisceraEyes - Yeap ! You heard it right here. Scum was in a double lynch/bus situation Day3, and decided to save VE over Snarfs (and can you blame them... ) Me sucking up to VE was a ploy to hopefully lull scum into false security. If you notice: P.S. based on Mr.CC starting to put the hooks in, by casting me as "null"; I am more than expecting to be on the nomination table again. If any of those 3 people are nominated; I am voting them full stop. P.P.S. Sl0osh has shown before in this game he is willing to reconsider his targets (i.e. early Day1 on yamato). I dont take it as scummy that he switched off VE. I think he genuinely said what happened; re-read events, and decided Snarfs was a more guaranteed lynch to burn red. k phagga is removed now lynch the list above for the win | ||
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