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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
January 04 2013 03:12 GMT
#81
Ah right, I almost forgot...
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 04 2013 03:14 GMT
#82
Mr.Z we're masoned you dummy. ShiaoPi obv scum right?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 04 2013 03:15 GMT
#83
I'm masoned with more than one person.

ShiaoPi pulled a BH.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
January 04 2013 03:23 GMT
#84
I wanna have a look at RiseAgain:

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 04 2013 09:45 RiseAgain wrote:
Oh, good someone spewing banalities already. Also, that post is clearly pre-prepared, which makes it worthless for assessing your alignment. Good job?

1.) Why? Letting days go on interminably is a waste. Towns, more often than not, manage to talk themselves out of good lynches and generally get sidetracked, we need to have a plan for eventually reaching a consensus, if we spend a week talking, people will lose interest and focus, there's a reason days last 48 hours usually. I'm fine with running 72 hours, I'm not fine with us stalemating stupidly.

2.) I have a better proposal. Consider the guy taking the hammer vote the same as a day vigi and act on his "shot" accordingly, sometimes (most times) extended discussion is called for. Sometimes heroic shots are called for. Judge on actions.

3.) Policy Lynches are stupid, because town never follows up on them. We can claim we want to policy lynch people hammering stupidly, but you know we won't. There are way too many people who value their opinion over the common good, so time spent discussing policy lynches is... wasted time. Judge people based on their actions, nothing more, nothing less.

What your post is doing is detracting from something we should be doing, setup-analysis, this setup has a very clear town slant with the proper play. I already know what it is, three townie points to the first person to propose it, if no one has come up with it in the next... 12-24 hours I'll explain it, after all, we have time.


That is his first post. First question, why so aggressive?
While it is true that we cannot gain much regarding alignment out of hapa's post, somebody does have to start the game and well it usually is policy talk. I for one would also be really curious what kind of setup gaming you have in mind RiseAgain. Also why respond to things which are "banalities" in your eyes? Shouldn't you just ignore them anyway?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 04 2013 04:10 GMT
#85
I agree with Shaio. I was trying to stray away from OMGUS stuff this game (since I tend to overreact to such things to say the least), but that little quip of Rise's is unnecessarily aggressive/confrontational given where we are in the day.

"Banalities" aside, we do need to start Day 1 somewhere, and coming in to criticize the first post of the game looks more like someone picking a fight for the sake of picking a fight rather than someone who has the best interests of the town at heart.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
January 04 2013 05:26 GMT
#86
anyone else care to comment?
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
January 04 2013 05:36 GMT
#87
So here is how it works. The days are super long. As long as everyone is active and scumhunts properly long days are good for town.

Only fucking vote fr someone if you are sure they are scum. You DO NOT need to vote for the sake of voting like in normal games.

That does not mean you can;t use your vote for pressure. It does mean that if you are going to park your vote somewhere for long periods you better be sure of yourself and have some fucking fantastic reasoning or I will be all up in your business.

Extended policy talk is the most pointless shit in the world IMO so after your first post further setup or policy talk will make me want to lynch you.

Lurking is fucking shit, even more so in this setup. If you lurk that will make me want to lynch you.

I guess the smurf is risen. But honestly, who the fuck cares. He does not want you to know or why would he smurf. If you speculate on who the smurf is I will want to lynch you.


"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
January 04 2013 05:41 GMT
#88
hai darth!

care to comment on riseagain besides who he might be?
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
January 04 2013 05:51 GMT
#89
He is pissed off at an obviously crafted policy post. I myself hate that shit most of the time and can empathise with his position even if I don't agree with all of it.

Not alignment indicative, really he is just stating his own policy.

Aggression, unless used in a meta case, is not alignment indicative either.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 04 2013 06:53 GMT
#90
In parallel, the crafted setup focused post was from a scum.

Hapa's post though I understand because when I played IRC with him he hated it because he had no time to think. This is a direct reaction to that. The fast-paced decision making was difficult for him.
Writer@WriterYamato
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
January 04 2013 07:16 GMT
#91
On January 04 2013 15:53 yamato77 wrote:
In parallel, the crafted setup focused post was from a scum.

Hapa's post though I understand because when I played IRC with him he hated it because he had no time to think. This is a direct reaction to that. The fast-paced decision making was difficult for him.


You calling hapa scum here? What are you actually saying?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 04 2013 07:22 GMT
#92
On January 04 2013 16:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 15:53 yamato77 wrote:
In parallel, the crafted setup focused post was from a scum.

Hapa's post though I understand because when I played IRC with him he hated it because he had no time to think. This is a direct reaction to that. The fast-paced decision making was difficult for him.


You calling hapa scum here? What are you actually saying?

I'm saying the post has a clear intention; eliminate the issues Hapa had with the instant lynch mechanic in IRC.

The first part was affirmation of the idea that crafted setup posts are something worth despising.

I brought up the idea that Hapa could be scum because of the post, and shot it down with some knowledge I think only I have of him.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 04 2013 07:28 GMT
#93
Uhh... I wrote it pre-game, before I received my PM. I even said so in my post >>
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 04 2013 07:31 GMT
#94
So your line of reasoning is a bit... wonky.

Firstly, you seem to say that my initial post is scummy because... someone else did it in Parallel Mini
Then, it's not scummy coming from me because of my performance in ... IRC mafia?

wat.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 04 2013 07:35 GMT
#95
@ DP

You around? Talk to me about this Yamato stuff. It seems super forced, has really strange logic, and I think it's scummy.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 04 2013 07:41 GMT
#96
I'm not sure how the logic is strange.

You told me it was difficult to think in IRC because there was no time.

You advocate making longer, more thought out decisions in this game because of the instant lynch mechanic.

I don't know why you guys think this is a big deal.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 04 2013 07:46 GMT
#97
On January 04 2013 16:41 yamato77 wrote:
I'm not sure how the logic is strange.

You told me it was difficult to think in IRC because there was no time.

You advocate making longer, more thought out decisions in this game because of the instant lynch mechanic.

I don't know why you guys think this is a big deal.


Because you're making decisions on a completely irrelevant things. Firstly, you seem to think that my first post is scummy because a mafia posted a policy post in Parallel Mafia? The hell? That makes zero sense.

Secondly, my performance in IRC mafia has nothing to do with forum mafia. In fact my forum mafia play is highlighted by activity and split-decision making.

Lastly, you came in to comment on something, and drew absolutely no conclusions from it. "Eh I think this post is scummy, but maybe not since Hapa is bad at IRC mafia." It reads like you felt obligated to comment on something rather than a genuine thought.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 04 2013 07:50 GMT
#98
Well I've never played with you before in forum mafia so I used my only prior knowledge, IRC mafia, and applied it.

My bad. I didn't know you were so touchy about the subject.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 04 2013 07:54 GMT
#99
On January 04 2013 16:50 yamato77 wrote:
Well I've never played with you before in forum mafia so I used my only prior knowledge, IRC mafia, and applied it.

My bad. I didn't know you were so touchy about the subject.


My feelings are hurt damn you!

But in all seriousness, I really couldn't care less about IRC mafia. I do care when someone does something scummy, and you've done exactly that.

Also, a response beyond "eh this is no big deal" and "feelings=hurt" would be appreciated. For starters, why did you think my initial post was scummy in its own merits? Secondly, do you agree/disagree with my post/policy/whatever?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 04 2013 08:01 GMT
#100
Well like I said, the first post in Parallel was from Mementoss and I immediately did not like it. It was really setup focused and said a lot of nothing. He turned out to be scum. My opinion on the matter overall is that focus on the setup is a scummy trait.

Your post this game had a similar feel to me, and as others have said contrived posts are not something to be liked. However, I knew your experience in IRC and thought I made a meaningful connection to why you made the post. My conclusion was not that you were scummy, it is that you're townie.

You say it in a long winded way, but basically you want town to act rationally because you want to lynch people who hammer a townie with little explanation, because that is a scummy play. Again, I draw conclusions to IRC where people hammered townies all the time and the hammerer was lynched really often, but they were often town as well. You want to eliminate this problem, to separate the townies lynching an honest scum read from the scum lynching a townie.
Writer@WriterYamato
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