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1024MB
Profile Joined May 2004
United States1455 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-12 07:08:43
November 12 2004 07:04 GMT
#81
I'm beginning to see why there are so few foreign progamers. The Korean progamers think positively about situations, while you guys just tear them apart.

BoxeR won. That's all that needs to be said. You can go ahead and have a pissy fit all you want. Things arn't going to change.


In fact, I'm pretty sure I know what's going on here. Many of you have lost over and over to fast rushes. So you named them "cheese" rushes and instead of learning how to defeat them, you just degrade them and the people who use them.

So now that you saw a progamer do it, you're degrading him when really it is Yellow's problem to deal with attacks. Just as it is BoxeR's to deal with his opponents' attacks, just as it's your problem to deal with your opponents' attacks.

You guys whine and moan about gameplay strategies. Progamers find ways to defeat these strategies.
You learn from losing.
soundwave
Profile Joined January 2004
United States363 Posts
November 12 2004 07:16 GMT
#82
Boxer's 3-0ing Yellow today proved he is the best starcraft player of all time. I can only compare it to Muhammad Ali's strategy "go to ropes" vs George Foreman, on the 1974 World Boxing Championship: both of them knew what to do to win.

As simple as that
Now I t king your WIFE !
likeboxer
Profile Joined December 2003
Korea (South)465 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-12 07:20:26
November 12 2004 07:19 GMT
#83
I love uhzoo! oh, uhjoo. hehe.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-12 07:38:58
November 12 2004 07:21 GMT
#84
On November 12 2004 10:48 Sadist wrote:
ahk, no. Its not a huge risk, its vital in zvt.

For the love of god please think before you post something or at least have some knowledge about it.

1 base terran vs 1 base zerg isnt that hard for the terran to play against especially at a high level with the micro and macro that they have. Games would be sort of similar to korhal, where xellos just dismantled day :O

Uh not saying that Korhal is a nice map for ZvT (because I know it isn't) but you could have given day the most zergish map ever (okay maybe not but you could have gone pretty far) and xellos would have dismantled him.

~_~

Btw after seeing that post my first feeling was: "I hope uhjoo gets the news poster job thing'
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Night2o1
Profile Joined January 2003
315 Posts
November 12 2004 07:48 GMT
#85
Maybe if this strat gets hugely popular zergs will start making a creep colony to stop terran from building a bunker rofl

I'm obviously no gosu

I love boxer I wish these games were 'cooler' or more diverse, though
I attended the Zoolander Center For Children Who Can't Read Good.
shizuru
Profile Joined October 2004
Japan570 Posts
November 12 2004 08:06 GMT
#86
On November 12 2004 15:04 Kobayashi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2004 14:55 baal wrote:
This is not the WWF people, they play to win not to entretain you....


if they didn't entertain people (generally speaking) they wouldn't have a job. Don't get me wrong, I don't intend to blame Boxer or anything, he trained to get a powerfull opening and he did it, I just would hate to see every programer from now on cheese when they have an important game just because it's so important for them to get a win.


i'll disagree with your post. it's not that they play to entertain. in those games where a player disrespects his opponent and toys with him by dragging out the game so he can do "cute" manuevers, what did you think of them? in art, there's a term for that: pretentious. colloquially, it's called "showing off."

you can look at how the game has evolved as proof of playing to win: the use of arbiter recalls in bases, dts blocking ramps, dropship load/reloads, manner pylons etc. they were invented in order to win the game but in the process of doing so thrill us.

the only really cute, entertaining for the sake of being entertaining move i can bring to mind is the "scv dance" of, you guessed it, boxer's.

were they not to play to win, the game would be like the wwf, as baal said - it would be fake. that's what's great about sc: it's real. the players want to win and are crushed when they lose - this is real, heartwrenching drama that encapsulates their hopes and goals. all hail sc, all hail boxer!
froZen_wYnd
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada270 Posts
November 12 2004 08:08 GMT
#87
nice insights uhjoo, u sure showed me that there were more to these 3 games then i could find =) ty
8882
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-12 08:13:46
November 12 2004 08:12 GMT
#88
On November 12 2004 17:06 shizuru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2004 15:04 Kobayashi wrote:
On November 12 2004 14:55 baal wrote:
This is not the WWF people, they play to win not to entretain you....


if they didn't entertain people (generally speaking) they wouldn't have a job. Don't get me wrong, I don't intend to blame Boxer or anything, he trained to get a powerfull opening and he did it, I just would hate to see every programer from now on cheese when they have an important game just because it's so important for them to get a win.


i'll disagree with your post. it's not that they play to entertain. in those games where a player disrespects his opponent and toys with him by dragging out the game so he can do "cute" manuevers, what did you think of them? in art, there's a term for that: pretentious. colloquially, it's called "showing off."

you can look at how the game has evolved as proof of playing to win: the use of arbiter recalls in bases, dts blocking ramps, dropship load/reloads, manner pylons etc. they were invented in order to win the game but in the process of doing so thrill us.

the only really cute, entertaining for the sake of being entertaining move i can bring to mind is the "scv dance" of, you guessed it, boxer's.

were they not to play to win, the game would be like the wwf, as baal said - it would be fake. that's what's great about sc: it's real. the players want to win and are crushed when they lose - this is real, heartwrenching drama that encapsulates their hopes and goals. all hail sc, all hail boxer!


yes but we would like the game to develop in terms of more advanced strategies, unit mixes, not simple 4pools and bunker rushes, that's what he is trying to say
for example if the spawning pool cost would be 150 and the build time decreased as in 1.00, the game would be probably nearly only zvz, with other races knocked by early rush
that wouldnt be so interesting like the games where there are huge battles with tanks marines vessels etc...
I have returned
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
November 12 2004 08:12 GMT
#89
hahahaha...
All ur posts about Silent_control make me laugh so hard... It's soo funny when we know that this player was considered by most of ppl the most hated progamer. And then you all suddendly say that he would have more fans if he got it well. No dudes plz don't make me funny : You don't know what you're talking about. You're just into the boxer's attitude (dunno how to say it...) and there's nothing that can tell me the opposite.

Another funny thing is that i see only Terran's or protoss icon's who are supporting boxer except hasuwar. I'm agree with hasuwar : it doesn't matter how hard boxer played, a 8rax rush is a 8rax rush and it's considered as a cheese. And don't tell that was SMART.

But fine boxer won it but don't say that he was really stressed : It's not his first time of playing a game like this. For me he just said that to have more attention to his fans.

I really hope Boxer will die to oov. PLZ GOD KILL BOXER :'(

Ps : Don't say that i don't like boxer because i loved him with his new style of play but all thoses cheeses simply made me very disappointing. I also lost my respect for boxer.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
November 12 2004 08:18 GMT
#90
i'm pretty sure that boxer will have something cute up his sleeve against oov as well.. as he said, he feels more comfortable in low unit micro games, and ovv is known as a macro monster, mark my words..
zzzzzz
needvods
Profile Joined November 2004
Bulgaria39 Posts
November 12 2004 08:22 GMT
#91
floddddddddd
VODSS
needvods
Profile Joined November 2004
Bulgaria39 Posts
November 12 2004 08:22 GMT
#92
eattttttt
VODSS
needvods
Profile Joined November 2004
Bulgaria39 Posts
November 12 2004 08:23 GMT
#93
gaysssssssssssss
VODSS
needvods
Profile Joined November 2004
Bulgaria39 Posts
November 12 2004 08:23 GMT
#94
BOXER RULZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
VODSS
needvods
Profile Joined November 2004
Bulgaria39 Posts
November 12 2004 08:23 GMT
#95
yellow bad
he is so depresed after 3 succesifull rushes
VODSS
needvods
Profile Joined November 2004
Bulgaria39 Posts
November 12 2004 08:24 GMT
#96
so gooood
VODSS
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
November 12 2004 08:30 GMT
#97
Boxer Seriously did not show any respect for Yellow. He knows that Yellow is looking to solidify his place by FINALLY winning a league and what dose he do? Dose he give him a good well fought battle of Micr/macro? No he gave him 3 games of the same Bullcrap He could at least tried to win 1 game in the regular fashion -.- I mean Damn when he was up 2-0 he could have started playing Regular the third game was for pure humiliation.
Never Knows Best.
Gandalf the Wizard
Profile Joined October 2004
United States163 Posts
November 12 2004 08:34 GMT
#98
On November 12 2004 13:02 uhjoo wrote:
man i've never had someone so blatantly slap me in the face after i try to make peace with them. so hasuwar, you asked that i don't "ever PM you again" after i send you a nice polite PM. why you wouldn't want to keep it private instead of public i really don't understand, but it's your wish so i'll just post right here. if you indeed weren't referring to me as a clown and a "fuckin' idiot," but were referring to rei, does that make it any better? his post really doesn't seem inflammatory to me at all, but you definitely stepped it up. it annoyed me enough thinking your asshole comments were aimed at me, but it's even more annoying that you think i should be cool with it just because you weren't talking to me.

anyway, i'm just saying keep it civil man. we're not talking about your family here bro we're talking about sc. neither you nor i have to be fucking right on every point, but if you come at people saying they're idiots, you should expect and take every negative response with a smile. if what you wanted was just to flame and bitch people out online, instead of a reasoned discussion, i'd politely ask that you take it elsewhere.

oh and you're welcome to PM me at any time.


You're a smart person
Flytothesky
Profile Joined April 2004
United States591 Posts
November 12 2004 08:36 GMT
#99
On November 12 2004 13:37 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2004 12:11 hasuwar wrote:
Is there something in the air today?

Build a barracks on 8, make two marines, and attack with 6 scvs..what the hell do you have to practice in this strategy? Stay out of a line to a resource so he can\'t hit attack?

Yes, any newb can beat 9 drones with 6 scvs, two marines, and an upcoming bunker if you ask me

It\'s not strong because of his super leet micro (not to say that he doesn\'t have it), it\'s strong because the zerg got caught with his pants down every time and had to fight with drones only..

Yes, I\'m sure yellow knew boxer was going to do this everytime, and that his secret plan was to try to beat back 6 scvs, a bunker, and marines with drones only to win..are you that fuckin\' stupid?

I\'d be pretty pissed off if I was yellow..they always seem so friendly in the pictures and shit..for him to cheese him every game and not try to play one straight game with him was pretty fuckin sad


You really upsad? i grade i\'d pissed you off, cause it\'s hard to achieve just by one post, i feel joy in pissing you off boy.
your counters to my points are : (1)why would yellow choose to fight boxer with drones only instead of making lings fast and not expanding. (2) i\'m fucking stupid.

I can understand why you don\'t get why yellow did what he done, your understanding of the game is not yet at that level. here let me enlight you, since none of the other gosus in this forum is going to waste time to help you understand.

you first point why yellow choose to fight boxer with drones and expanding while knowing boxer is using the same strategy every game.
here is why. first you need to understand boxer\'s mind set, which you ignored even when people tell you to read boxer\'s interview. boxer want micro intensive low unit count games.
thi is what i think what\'s ganna happen when yellow choose to go off one base with lings to stop the rush. first boxer will realize oh nooo lings!!! that\'s many lings yes? so that\'s one base with many lings and not many drones. i just move my scv back to mine and get firebat and medics fast with very few scvs mining.and then yellow recon boxer\'s shit and goes like, crap he\'s powering up units i better make more lings and delay my tec so i dont\' get rape easly.
so both got low economy and both of them is going to micro their ass off with the units they have. but now boxer has firebats medics and marines, while yellow got lings and mroe lings. so they go micro war just as boxer expected, but now boxer got even more advantage cause he has better units to micro with. so it ends up with the same goal boxer wanted to achieve, which is low unit count, micro war.

that is the best possible sanario i can think off that\'s to yellow\'s advantage.

but in the interview boxer mention he beat julyzerg 5 game straight with same build, now julyzerg is known to play very aggrassive early. that means he use 9 pools almost every game.

now yellow has to make his pool even earlier? to have a chance to not follow julyzerg\'s footsteps yes?

and you said any noobs can kill 9 drones+sunken comming with 6 scvs and 2 marines+bunker comming? you want to micro those 6scvs and 2marines vs any of the big name gosues in this forum and try your luck? see if it\'s as easy as you say?

as for your second counter, which is a personal insult of me being stupid. my intellegence has nothing to do with the fact. my post is back up by boxer himself on hi interview. i said the boxer\'s strategy isn\'t a cheese and he worked hard on, which is according to boxer himself. and you deny that by calling me stupid and give no other reason.

oh wait, i was wrong, you didn\'t insult me of being stupid, you said fucking stupid. now the word fucking is a complement to the word stupid, so it seems that it enhance the word stupid by relating to the action fuck. let\'s say that fuck is enjoyable yes? hard to imagine if you would say otherwise, but you just might do it just to disagree with me. now since fucking is enjoyable, then you are saying i\'m enjoying my stupidity?

now let\'s look at the meaning of stupidity, it means extreme dullness of perception or understanding.

now let\'s look at what we said so far.
rei: boxer\'s strategy is refined and proved to work. and back up by boxer himself.
you: boxer\'s fucking chees gay gay gay. i don\'t care what boxer said in his interview. i don\'t need to *understand anything cause i\'m *enjoying bashing boxer

opps? is that you being extreme dullness of understanding and enjoying it?

I DO THINK SO!!!

see here is a well constructed insult that goes around with out ever directly insult the person, this would piss off some guy so much better than just typing constant f words etc.




nice post
pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
November 12 2004 08:53 GMT
#100
THough I don't agree with his personal attacks, I agree with hasu.

It sickens me that the most fun to watch pro-gamer would pull something like this. Completely un-entertaining.

And for those of you who feel this series was entertaining, go look at the news report on it. Thats all that could be said. this was good gaming but bad manner (not to yellow, but to the veiwing adience)
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