Boxer and Yellow and what they showed in ogn semi - Page 5

On November 12 2004 10:48 Sadist wrote:
ahk, no. Its not a huge risk, its vital in zvt.

For the love of god please think before you post something or at least have some knowledge about it.

1 base terran vs 1 base zerg isnt that hard for the terran to play against especially at a high level with the micro and macro that they have. Games would be sort of similar to korhal, where xellos just dismantled day :O

On November 12 2004 15:04 Kobayashi wrote:


if they didn't entertain people (generally speaking) they wouldn't have a job. Don't get me wrong, I don't intend to blame Boxer or anything, he trained to get a powerfull opening and he did it, I just would hate to see every programer from now on cheese when they have an important game just because it's so important for them to get a win.

On November 12 2004 17:06 shizuru wrote:


i'll disagree with your post. it's not that they play to entertain. in those games where a player disrespects his opponent and toys with him by dragging out the game so he can do "cute" manuevers, what did you think of them? in art, there's a term for that: pretentious. colloquially, it's called "showing off."

you can look at how the game has evolved as proof of playing to win: the use of arbiter recalls in bases, dts blocking ramps, dropship load/reloads, manner pylons etc. they were invented in order to win the game but in the process of doing so thrill us.

the only really cute, entertaining for the sake of being entertaining move i can bring to mind is the "scv dance" of, you guessed it, boxer's.

were they not to play to win, the game would be like the wwf, as baal said - it would be fake. that's what's great about sc: it's real. the players want to win and are crushed when they lose - this is real, heartwrenching drama that encapsulates their hopes and goals. all hail sc, all hail boxer!

On November 12 2004 13:02 uhjoo wrote:
man i've never had someone so blatantly slap me in the face after i try to make peace with them. so hasuwar, you asked that i don't "ever PM you again" after i send you a nice polite PM. why you wouldn't want to keep it private instead of public i really don't understand, but it's your wish so i'll just post right here. if you indeed weren't referring to me as a clown and a "fuckin' idiot," but were referring to rei, does that make it any better? his post really doesn't seem inflammatory to me at all, but you definitely stepped it up. it annoyed me enough thinking your asshole comments were aimed at me, but it's even more annoying that you think i should be cool with it just because you weren't talking to me.

anyway, i'm just saying keep it civil man. we're not talking about your family here bro we're talking about sc. neither you nor i have to be fucking right on every point, but if you come at people saying they're idiots, you should expect and take every negative response with a smile. if what you wanted was just to flame and bitch people out online, instead of a reasoned discussion, i'd politely ask that you take it elsewhere.

oh and you're welcome to PM me at any time.

On November 12 2004 13:37 rei wrote:


You really upsad? i grade i\'d pissed you off, cause it\'s hard to achieve just by one post, i feel joy in pissing you off boy.
your counters to my points are : (1)why would yellow choose to fight boxer with drones only instead of making lings fast and not expanding. (2) i\'m fucking stupid.

I can understand why you don\'t get why yellow did what he done, your understanding of the game is not yet at that level. here let me enlight you, since none of the other gosus in this forum is going to waste time to help you understand.

you first point why yellow choose to fight boxer with drones and expanding while knowing boxer is using the same strategy every game.
here is why. first you need to understand boxer\'s mind set, which you ignored even when people tell you to read boxer\'s interview. boxer want micro intensive low unit count games.
thi is what i think what\'s ganna happen when yellow choose to go off one base with lings to stop the rush. first boxer will realize oh nooo lings!!! that\'s many lings yes? so that\'s one base with many lings and not many drones. i just move my scv back to mine and get firebat and medics fast with very few scvs mining.and then yellow recon boxer\'s shit and goes like, crap he\'s powering up units i better make more lings and delay my tec so i dont\' get rape easly.
so both got low economy and both of them is going to micro their ass off with the units they have. but now boxer has firebats medics and marines, while yellow got lings and mroe lings. so they go micro war just as boxer expected, but now boxer got even more advantage cause he has better units to micro with. so it ends up with the same goal boxer wanted to achieve, which is low unit count, micro war.

that is the best possible sanario i can think off that\'s to yellow\'s advantage.

but in the interview boxer mention he beat julyzerg 5 game straight with same build, now julyzerg is known to play very aggrassive early. that means he use 9 pools almost every game.

now yellow has to make his pool even earlier? to have a chance to not follow julyzerg\'s footsteps yes?

and you said any noobs can kill 9 drones+sunken comming with 6 scvs and 2 marines+bunker comming? you want to micro those 6scvs and 2marines vs any of the big name gosues in this forum and try your luck? see if it\'s as easy as you say?

as for your second counter, which is a personal insult of me being stupid. my intellegence has nothing to do with the fact. my post is back up by boxer himself on hi interview. i said the boxer\'s strategy isn\'t a cheese and he worked hard on, which is according to boxer himself. and you deny that by calling me stupid and give no other reason.

oh wait, i was wrong, you didn\'t insult me of being stupid, you said fucking stupid. now the word fucking is a complement to the word stupid, so it seems that it enhance the word stupid by relating to the action fuck. let\'s say that fuck is enjoyable yes? hard to imagine if you would say otherwise, but you just might do it just to disagree with me. now since fucking is enjoyable, then you are saying i\'m enjoying my stupidity?

now let\'s look at the meaning of stupidity, it means extreme dullness of perception or understanding.

now let\'s look at what we said so far.
rei: boxer\'s strategy is refined and proved to work. and back up by boxer himself.
you: boxer\'s fucking chees gay gay gay. i don\'t care what boxer said in his interview. i don\'t need to *understand anything cause i\'m *enjoying bashing boxer

opps? is that you being extreme dullness of understanding and enjoying it?

I DO THINK SO!!!

see here is a well constructed insult that goes around with out ever directly insult the person, this would piss off some guy so much better than just typing constant f words etc.