• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:58
CET 13:58
KST 21:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly0Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win62025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION3Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams12
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four
Tourneys
$3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4 SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Kirktown Chat Brawl #9 $50 8:30PM EST
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review Ladder Map Matchup Stats Map pack for 3v3/4v4/FFA games BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Big Reveal
Peanutsc
Challenge: Maths isn't all…
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1453 users

Resistance 3 - Page 49

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 47 48 49 50 51 57 Next
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 08 2014 11:52 GMT
#961
How fun.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 08 2014 11:54 GMT
#962
yay!
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 08 2014 20:04 GMT
#963
^ rayn leader pick
I had a good night of sleep.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
January 08 2014 23:21 GMT
#964
so whats going on guis?
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
January 09 2014 03:53 GMT
#965
are we just gonna nay vote till its rayns turn? I think that would be best.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 09 2014 04:45 GMT
#966
I hope FT decides to modkill CR. He posts like once every 5 days. How is that effort?
Grubby's #1 Fan
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
January 09 2014 04:59 GMT
#967
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
January 09 2014 05:16 GMT
#968
Day 3: Phase 2

Team 2

Leader: Corazon
Proposed Team: Corazon, Rayn, VisceraEyes, Chairman Ray

Final Votecount

Hopeless1der: Yay
Raynpelikoneet: Nay
Grackaroni: Nay
Coagulation: Nay
Koshi: Nay
Chairman Ray: Nay
[UoN]Sentinel: Nay
Corazon: Not voting
VisceraEyes: Not voting

Corazon's team has been rejected! The new leader is Chairman Ray!

Corazon and VisceraEyes have been warned for not voting. If either of them commit a second offense, they will be removed from the game.



Day 3: Phase 1

Team 3
Current Leader: Chairman Ray
Deadline to Propose a Team: 04:00 GMT (+00:00)
Countdown:
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
January 09 2014 07:56 GMT
#969
Since this is Phase 3 now, the vote has to either pass on my turn or on rayn's turn due to me being confirmed town and rayn being pretty much confirmed town. The other confirmed town is Koshi. Let's plan it out:

If we pass this on my turn, we then pass the 4th mission on rayn's turn. Out of the 5 following players, Koshi is the confirmed town, so we have one chance to pass the 5th mission on his turn.

If we reject this on my turn, we then pass this mission on rayn's turn. Koshi will take the 4th mission, and then I have to take the last mission.

I think either way is fine.

Anyways, onto the team.

Right now, Koshi and I are confirmed town due to last mission's behavior as explained in my previous post. The only way that either of us is a spy is if two or more town decided to throw the game. If we're willing to go that far for reads, then there's a lot of other highly unlikely reads we can also make, and at that point we can't draw any conclusion at all. I have to put Koshi in the mission, and if Koshi turns out to be spy, the fault lies in those who threw the game for town. Koshi and I are in.

Next I would like to put Rayn in. For the entirety of the game, Rayn has not made a single action that is consistent with a spy agenda. Since the spies are 2 missions up, even if Rayn was a spy, there can't be any more information gained from missions and voting that can point him to being a spy. The only thing that can happen is that Rayn yay votes a guaranteed scumteam prior to there being 4 yay votes already on the field. I don't even mind saying it because there's no way he could make that mistake as spy. So due to Rayn not able to be proven as spy at this point, we have to put him in the mission assuming he is town.

Now we have to choose the last person on the mission. I can divide the remaining players into two groups - those that went on the last mission, and those who did not and yayed it.

Went on mission:
Grack, Corazon, VE

Yayed the mission:
Coag, Hopeless, Sentinel

I believe that there is one spy in the first group and two in the second. This is due to there being three yay votes outside the mission. A town could potentially give the first yay vote, but it's very bad to give the second yay vote, and completely throwing the game to give the third yay vote. On second thought, I'm just going to base the rest of the game assuming that there being 2 spies in the second group is confirmed. If I am wrong, it's their fault for confirming themselves as spy.

Firstly let's look at the second group. Hopeless has been confirmed as spy on multiple occasions. Sentinel has been confirmed as spy on the occasion where he gave the final yay vote on the failing mission when there were two yay votes from outside the mission. He claimed it was a mistake, so overall, I'm thinking the following spy probabilities:

Coagulation - low
Hopeless - guaranteed
Sentinel - high

The question now is do we pick someone from the first group to send and go with a 66.6% chance of hitting a town, or do we go with Coag?

We have to pick two people on mission 5 anyways, so the permutations include:

-Coag mission 3, someone from group 1 mission 5
-Someone from group 1 mission 3, Coag mission 5
-Someone from group 1 mission 3, another from group 1 mission 5

Either way, we have to include someone from group 1, so let's look at who the best choice is. What we know so far is Hopeless is on the spy team with one of them, and most likely Sentinel, possible Coag. So let's look at the history between every permutation.

Grack - Hopeless
Grack downvoted the first mission where Hopeless was in it. After Grack downvoted it, the votes were 5-4 in favor of passing, but then Adam changed his vote. Would make sense if Grack was town or if the spy team was Grack/Hopeless/Coag.
Hopeless yayed the second mission where Grack was in, making it 4-1. The mission included Grackaroni, Corazon, VisceraEyes, raynpelikoneet. If Grack wasn't the spy in the mission, one of the others has to be it.

Grack - Sentinel
Grack nay voted the second mission where the team was VE, Sentinel, Corazon, making the vote 4-4. Grack less likely to be spy with Sentinel.

Grack - Coag
Grack downvoted the first mission where Adam was in it. After Grack downvoted it, the votes were 5-4 in favor of passing, but then Adam changed his vote. Makes sense if Grack is town or if the spy team was Grack/Coag/Hopeless

Corazon - Hopeless
Corazon downvoted the first mission where Hopeless was in it, making the vote 5-3. Makes sense if Corazon is town if it Hopeless/Corazon/Coag is the spy team.
Corazon downvoted the second mission where it was Koshi/Hopeless/Rayn. Corazon was bussing Hopeless at this point so he has to anyways.

Corazon - Sentinel
In VE's team that was proposed with VE/Corazon/Sentinel, both of them yayed it.

Corazon - Coag
Corazon downvoted the first mission where Adam was in it, making the vote 5-3. Makes sense if Corazon is town, or if Coag/Corazon/Hopeless is the spy team.

VE - Hopeless
VE downvoted the first mission where Hopeless was in it, making the vote 3-2. Makes sense if VE is town, or if VE/Hopeless/Coag is the spy team.
Hopeless downvoted the team that VE proposed on mission two.

VE - Sentinel
VE put sentinel in the second mission when VE was leader. Both VE and Sentinel approved it. Less likely for these two to be spy together, but not by much.

VE- Coag
VE downvoted the first mission where Adam was in it, making the vote 3-2. Makes sense if VE is town, or if VE/Hopeless/Coag is the spy team.
Adam downvoted the second mission when VE proposed VE/Sentinel/Cora, making the vote 3-3. Adam less likely to be spy with Coag.

In all cases, there is possibility for spies being meta or bussing each other, which will be considered.

Will continue this tomorrow with permutation of 3 spies instead of just 2, and also look more into dialogue between people.

Team so far
Chairman Ray, Raynpelikoneet, Koshi

raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 09 2014 07:59 GMT
#970
Btw this is the team that should be discussed THE MOST and EVERYONE needs to join the discussion because we have a confirmed town proposing the team. That makes it most likely to get an all town team on the mission.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 09 2014 08:02 GMT
#971
CR so good. So good.

Corazon - Hopeless
Corazon downvoted the first mission where Hopeless was in it, making the vote 5-3. Makes sense if Corazon is town if it Hopeless/Corazon/Coag is the spy team.
Corazon downvoted the second mission where it was Koshi/Hopeless/Rayn. Corazon was bussing Hopeless at this point so he has to anyways.

I don't understand this part.
I had a good night of sleep.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
January 09 2014 08:13 GMT
#972
On January 09 2014 17:02 Koshi wrote:
CR so good. So good.

Show nested quote +
Corazon - Hopeless
Corazon downvoted the first mission where Hopeless was in it, making the vote 5-3. Makes sense if Corazon is town if it Hopeless/Corazon/Coag is the spy team.
Corazon downvoted the second mission where it was Koshi/Hopeless/Rayn. Corazon was bussing Hopeless at this point so he has to anyways.

I don't understand this part.


The first part of that isn't a strong indication of much. If there were 5 yay votes already, if Corazon was expecting the vote to pass, he could put anything down.

The second part, I was referring to the mission:

Team: Koshi, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet

Team 3
Current Leader: Koshi

Current Vote Count:
Corazon: Nay
Hopeless1der: Yay
Coagulation: Yay
Chairman Ray: Yay
Koshi: Yay
[UoN]Sentinel: Yay
VisceraEyes: Yay
Raynpelikoneet: Yay

When looking at this vote and looking at how Corazon has been speaking to Hopeless for that portion of the game, it would seem that they are not spies together, but I've gone through Corazon's previous games as scum, and he is definitely capable of bussing teammates hard. So even though Corazon instantly nay voted a team that Hopeless was on, it doesn't make it less likely that they are spy together.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 09 2014 08:13 GMT
#973
Me neither because Sentinel is confirmed scum Hopeless/Corazon/Coag cannot possibly be the scumteam.
table for two on a tv tray
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
January 09 2014 08:15 GMT
#974
Was there anything other than the vote on this mission that confirmed Sentinel as scum?

Proposed Team: Grackaroni, Corazon, VisceraEyes, raynpelikoneet

Team 1
Current Leader: Grackaroni

Final Vote Count:
VisceraEyes: Yay
Corazon: Yay
Koshi: Nay
Coagulation: Yay
Hopeless1der: Yay
[UoN] Sentinel: Yay
raynpelikoneet: Nay
Grackaroni: Nay
Chairman Ray: Nay
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 09 2014 08:18 GMT
#975
Not really, no. But that's enough. You can't possibly think there are 7 town in this game.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 09 2014 08:19 GMT
#976
Like that's literally how you find scum in Resistance at least if you don't want to play like you play mafia on mission 1 which people refused to play.
table for two on a tv tray
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
January 09 2014 08:28 GMT
#977
Just asking because I'm debating the possibility that Sentinel actually did screw up. So far not looking like it. My best read is from his reaction:

On January 06 2014 03:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oh... was I #5?

I'm unsure of what's going on with Grack. I thought he was town for a while... maybe not... Adam/Coag-Hopeless-Grack might be the scumteam after all based on the voting.


On January 06 2014 08:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I really fucked this one up.

2 scummers from Coag/Hopeless/CR
1 scummer from the team (Grack?)

I'm thinking rayn/koshi/cora/VE


After that he never touched on the subject again, so not a lot of effort was spent defending himself even though we keep bringing up that he's confirmed spy. If I was in his position as town, I would definitely be spending a lot of effort trying to reprove that I am town. I guess that's good enough for me.

With Hopeless+Sentinel as confirmed spy, Coag should be going on the next mission then. Then it's between Grack, VE, and Cora for the last slot. 66.6% victory if we RNG it.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 09 2014 08:33 GMT
#978
Actually the last post you quoted from Sentinel heavily suggests Corazon is scum, unless he is WIFOMing and did "suggest" an all town team because noone would listen to him anyways. Corazon's last day actions however point towards him being scum. He refused to take in confrimed townies on the team "because they do not post". That's a bad reason.

Like if you compre to a normal mafia game it's like saying "i copped the confirmed town over the scummy people" because i don't like him being inactive.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 09 2014 08:36 GMT
#979
The thing is whatever you think of me you should pick CR/Koshi/Coag because they areconfirmed town. Use your judgement and pick one of me/VE/Grack/Cora. I am obviously town but if you don't trust me that's fine.

I would pick me -> VE -> Grack ->Cora in order from most likely town -> most likely scum.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
January 09 2014 08:37 GMT
#980
+1 on Cora.

Then I would add VE as townie on how Cora defended him.
Grack we bench.
I had a good night of sleep.
Prev 1 47 48 49 50 51 57 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
12:00
#58
WardiTV608
OGKoka 319
Rex98
IntoTheiNu 17
Liquipedia
Replay Cast
09:00
Crank Gathers S2: Playoffs D3
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 310
Lowko203
Rex 93
MindelVK 35
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 8882
Calm 8305
Jaedong 2371
firebathero 1143
actioN 777
Mini 445
Rush 221
PianO 181
Mong 77
Barracks 76
[ Show more ]
Sharp 76
ToSsGirL 65
Killer 55
hero 19
soO 18
HiyA 17
Sacsri 16
Icarus 15
Terrorterran 7
Dota 2
XcaliburYe132
Counter-Strike
zeus813
x6flipin477
oskar33
edward30
Other Games
singsing1591
B2W.Neo1207
crisheroes340
Hui .230
Sick219
Liquid`LucifroN172
QueenE30
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick456
Counter-Strike
PGL184
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 19
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos3263
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
4h 2m
Replay Cast
10h 2m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
21h 2m
WardiTV Korean Royale
23h 2m
LAN Event
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 23h
LAN Event
2 days
OSC
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
[ Show More ]
LAN Event
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
LAN Event
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
LAN Event
5 days
IPSL
5 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
LAN Event
6 days
IPSL
6 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.