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Spaghetticus
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Mocsta
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wb = welcome back even though its nice to catch mafia by slips. it still cant be proven. so becomes not a waste of time, but.. hmm.. not a solid foundation for a case. I noticed the exact same thing you did when Spag posted. *why did I not bring this to the attention* because, he can answer the way he just did.. us = town. Good to know others are reading carefully though as well. | ||
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On January 08 2013 00:45 Spaghetticus wrote: Cheers Mocsta. I see Syl's words have moved you, I'll endeavor to be so objective. I look forward to your new approach. Could you please start by responding to this. [I am still uncertain of your intention / prime lynch candidate] On January 08 2013 00:29 Mocsta wrote: Spag. I am going to need you to re-phase (i.e. spell it out to me) because i can't make sense of your quote? I assume other three = Omni/jampi/TeMiL?? | ||
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Spaghetticus
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- TeMiL - OmniEulogy - JampiDampi - ZarePath I have a preference for TeMiL at this moment in time, and then the rest in order of presentation above. There is a lot of contention in my mind, this is not at all close. My stubbornness in regard to Jampi is more to do with the means by which you present your case, which is from my perspective abusing peripheral and illogical argumentation methods. That does not fly with me, for future reference. When actually looking at the case in question, I don't have any profound disagreement with lynching Jamp, only that I won't do it for someone else's less than adequate reasons. This may look very flimsy, but between the four I'm pretty lost. There is scum in there of that I'm certain, but the diversity of reasons for and against voting any one of these candidates is high, and I don't feel strongly either way. | ||
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Sylencia
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On January 06 2013 20:30 jampidampi wrote: This is curious. Why would OmniEulogy be roleblocked? A jailkeeper would target someone he believes will be killed. Scum had no motivation to kill Omni, because he was the other suspicious player D1 and thus would be pressured at least N1, if not D2 potentially leading to another misslynch. Many pointed that if StriX flips town (which he did), Omni would be very suspicious. A jailkeeper could also potentially target a scumread in hopes that a) he is scum and b) he carries out the nightkill. Even if he was 100% sure that Omni was scum, that would still only lead to 50/50 chance of blocking the kill. Thus I don't this is likely. A scum roleblocker would target Omni if he thought he had a blue role. A scum roleblocker might target Omni in hopes that he claims and someone suspects this claim. @All Should townies always claim being roleblocked in this setup? Do you think the scum roleblocker would target Omni? Or do think he faked the claim? Or do you have any better reasoning for a jailkeeper to target Omni? This is attempted analysis, but it doesn't say anything at all. Doesn't state if he thinks it's a RB or JK, it's just statements which could have been drawn pretty easily by anyone. The case on Mocsta is the only other big post on day 2, it's not really a solid case either. It honestly rates about the same level as Strix's case he posted which I said was weak on Day 1 as well. On January 03 2013 16:25 jampidampi wrote: By not being suspicious. If they are careful and appear as townies, we don't have a way of identifying them as scum. Just flying under the radar while townies aggressively blame eachother leading to a misslynch is a perfect mafia D1. Jampi, you're flying under the radar more than pretty much anyone here. Are you following your own advice or are you just playing badly? --- Omni: Again, from day 1 I wasn't happy with the combination of sentences here: On January 05 2013 05:46 OmniEulogy wrote: Alright, I'm not sure if I can get the whole thing out in under an hour so I'm going to make a summary for you Jampi so we can talk about it a bit while I continue to write up the bigger one. I'll start with the people I don't think we should vote for in this lynch. I believe Mocsta and Spag should be free of suspicion for this lynch entirely. TeMiL and StriX I believe we should wait until D2 TeMiL I think is just bad town and I don't think a vote on him is the BEST we could do. StriX says he makes long analytical posts. I'm waiting to see one. He hasn't delivered in 48 hours and I am most likely going to put my vote on him. Makes absolutely no sense, not sure if he suddenly forgot he was going to vote Strix from the start. On January 05 2013 09:29 OmniEulogy wrote: I should also add on, and I fking HATE to say this but I need to. If I am right about StriX and he is scum. This is EXACTLY what his scum buddy would need to do to get him off the firing line. Create massive confusion with an hour left in D1 and save his mafia buddy. On January 05 2013 09:47 OmniEulogy wrote: @Syl I know, I really wanted to avoid even mentioning an association case. Why even bring up the association case then? It's like a weak way to reinforce Strix's guilt onto others, and it was completely avoidable by simply saying "I think Mocsta did this to confuse everyone and cause an easy mislynch." After the mislynch, I don't understand why he thinks there was no chance of him being voted out - the case against him could've easily swayed town to vote, and unless the numbers weren't going to add up to his lynching - this could be a slip. But, I don't see how one could guarantee that, so probably not. Day 2, roleblocking time. Mod question asked, pretty sure it's a useless question because there is no real reason for OE to be RB'd unless he made blue slips - didn't see any. JK I can understand if they followed Spag's advice from the previous night. Having no fear of being lynched D1 is not a blue tell, because you are just as vulnerable to being lynched as anyone else. The worst thing about being blue in that situation is that if you do reveal your role - you're not saved, you're dead that night. Next up is the useless question of asking about a Cop. 2 things are what this looks like: 1) Bait for if there is a cop, 2) A way to fluff up any discussion. There wasn't anything going on, but there's nothing to discuss about a cop. It's not something we needed to discuss, and it doesn't provide any useful hints for town, only scum (if they suspected there was a cop). On January 07 2013 05:24 OmniEulogy wrote: We don't even know if there is a cop, and if everybody gives their speculation I highly doubt it helps scum very much, especially as multiple people would have the same opinions. This is more about the way people are thinking at the moment not You ARE the cop. Clearly being 2 townies down and having a 3rd on the way to being lynched isn't bothering you very much. Plus we're only looking for 2 scum. If we can (and we need to) lynch scum tonight we'll hopefully have a JK and possibly a cop (best case scenario) N2. Why are you so against giving out your thoughts on the matter? You already have a vote on you, clear up some of the concerns voiced and give us your opinion. It still helps them, and you're not saying anything about how it could possibly help town. Pretty much at this point I'm seeing this as a way to publicly work out if/who is the cop. Again, NOT helpful for town. We don't need to know about it until it's a critical moment where the game can be won, or if there's a chance they are dead. On January 07 2013 16:36 OmniEulogy wrote: Personally I think Jampi looks like the easiest target for the lynch. Town don't look for easy lynches, scum do. Wake up. We search for scum. On January 07 2013 17:03 OmniEulogy wrote: ##Vote: Jampidampi I'll go over it more in a few hours but yeah. Also I never really noticed this but if you look at Jampi's filter the person he responded to the most and was pressured by the most was Cora. Cora gets killed before there is any real conclusion. Anyway I'm off to bed cya. Not a case, lol. Scum have all the information, and can abuse this pretty easily. If zare died last night, I'm scum because he pressured me early on in Day 1? No, unlikely as that's a move that is clear as day for anyone with half a brain. Of course though, they want everyone to see that and ignoring everything else, and essentially target the person that the person who got killed targetted. (Probably a less wordy way to say that). -- Basically, jampi still looks suspicious as hell, no real contribution, trying to fly under the radar in Day 2 - still giving no real clues to his being town (if he is at all), but the last few posts Omni have made while what seems to be half-asleep really makes me wonder if he just slipped up. Lesson learned from NMM33: People make slips. If you ignore them, you could lose the game from it. ##Vote OmniEulogy | ||
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##Vote OmniEulogy Sorry, forgot to unvote. | ||
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(Also, I thought close the game out meant losing, but it means winning? I don't even know) | ||
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iamperfection
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jampidampi (2): Mocsta, OmniEulogy Temil (1): , Spaghetticus Mocsta (1): jampidampi OmniEulogy (1):Sylencia Not voting (2): TeMiL, zarepath jampidampi is set to by lynched! The deadline is in like 7.5 hours or something like that. | ||
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Mocsta
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"General Guide to playing Mafia" In general, mafia don’t blatantly make “slips” that allow you to find them through any one given post, but you will often find one critical sentence or post that is the key to unraveling their motives. Regardless, you have identified a variety of points, OmniEulogy does need to address this. | ||
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Sylencia
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OmniEulogy
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on StriX, I made up my mind on who to vote for as I was writing it so it sounded a bit weird. I realized that if I was going to write everything I was going to I would actually run out of players and wouldn't be voting for any of them, so I took my top scum read and voted for him. My mention of association was because I wanted people to realize that StriX was not being lynched without being defended. Somebody WAS trying to prevent his lynch and claiming that scum wasn't making a fuss. That in itself could be taken as scum trying to save him and get me lynched in his place D1. Unlike NMM XXXIII I didn't have a town read on StriX (as opposed to Shz) and I will never let myself get lynched for somebody I don't believe is town. You claim Jampi is ONLY the easiest lynch? He's also my top scum read. I worked it out for you while I was half asleep but didn't make the full case... cause I was half asleep. Trying to read any further into that and then saying "not a case" Well no shit sherlock I wanted to go back to bed. lol. | ||
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Sylencia
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On January 08 2013 01:31 OmniEulogy wrote: You claim Jampi is ONLY the easiest lynch? I didn't claim it, you did. | ||
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Mocsta
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zarepath? whats going on with you? You joined the thread again over an hour ago, and haven't heard much from you. For most people you are a null read, and hence, an acceptable lynch candidate. I do not think your off the hook, because Sylencia has thrown a case at OmniEulogy. In particular, Spaghetticus has been nonchalant to consider you... why should he choose somebody else over you? Now that you have read the thread, I would like to know where you stand with all that has happened Day 2. | ||
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On January 08 2013 01:33 Sylencia wrote: Actually, I don't understand the ONLY in that sentence. Top. Scum. Read. He's not the easiest because there are no other factors. It's the easiest because out of everybody he's easily the scummiest player in the game and has the highest chance of being scum. Put it in context of the conversation over the last few pages. | ||
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Mocsta
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Not that Omni has replied.. Im not entirely satisfied but thats more to do with his style than the response. I also appreciate he didnt spend 2hrs making a defense, and holding up the entire Day2 convo. Take the below with a grain of salt.. because I am a feel player, definitely not a detailed analyst (and yes, Spaghetticus constantly is pointing that out.. and I will not contest) I thought that a lot of your points while valid, whilst you described the actions as scum motivated.. in my head i could ratoinalise them as town. I wanted to hear Omni defense.. because.. if he respectuflly brushed off your comments.. then it was simply miscommunication between two players (heheh.. almost identical to me targeting him day 1 actually). my opinion is a lot of Omni play has been pro-town. He has two peculiarities of play to me (1) is the RB.. it just doesnt add up; but then again.. TeMiL/zarepath have said nothing (also.. if JK is around. mafia may have said nothign..) (2) he was extremely overconfident after day 1 lynch.. . i think this was moreso to do with realising the bandwagon didnt take off (Corazon points this out as well in his final post) Like i said.. im not a detailed analyst.. i barely use the coaches, and when i do. they tell me im wrong. but when i read this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091¤tpage=28#558 i just cant see how this guy could be scum. | ||
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