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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ^ yea that probably ruined the philosophical debate for a while lol... I did enjoy the way the story presented itself though, The questions that were asked and left them to be interpreted by you. Not having the movie itself explain what the viewer should think. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Thanks for the link. Very nice read. One disturbing question/concern about the squid-baby + Show Spoiler + If we look at the worms in the chamber, the black stuff creates an abomination of whatever it touches. Was the squid-baby an abomination of SPERM? They just had sex and it had a very obvious shape that indicated it could very well be an abomination of that. If that is the case, and this was the "first face-hugger," then does that mean all face-huggers are the ancenstors of that one dudes junk? If you think about it, it works with the idea of face-huggers "impregnating" people. | ||
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riotjune
United States3392 Posts
...of my head | ||
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Mr.Pyro
Denmark959 Posts
Except for + Show Spoiler + The biologist suddenly loving aliens wanting to cuddle with a beautiful space snake coming out of black sludge <3 That shit was seriously dumb | ||
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Vharox
United States1037 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On June 10 2012 12:28 Mr.Pyro wrote: This is one of the best movies i have seen in a long time. I think a lot of people were expecting an alien movie and were disappointing. I also think a lot of people are dismissing characters as shallow, because they are not looking hard enough for the answers. Except for + Show Spoiler + The biologist suddenly loving aliens wanting to cuddle with a beautiful space snake coming out of black sludge <3 That shit was seriously dumb Almost as dumb as the fact they got "lost" in the first place when one of them had a map on his wrist band which he had used to get them to the chamber in the first place. | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Even if there ARE a lot of interesting sub-plots etc etc going on, there are so many nonsensical things that happen, and the characters in the film continuously do such stupid and idiotic things (sometimes completely contrary to previous character development), that it is hard for many people to take the film seriously. This is due to 'suspension of disbelief' being broken - we are all gamers here, so chances are that you will have heard this term thrown around in game reviews. Essentially, when being told a story we are all happy to accept the story 'universe', providing that the 'universe' remains consistent with itself, and that everything within it makes sense and can be explained logically. However, if anything jarrs uncomfortably out of place it will drastically (sometimes irreparably) destroy the believability of that story, and your enjoyment is lost. When watching Lord of the Rings we accept that Gandalf can cast magic spells, that there are tiny people called hobbits, and that there are monsters out there in the world such as trolls and orcs and goblins. However, if Frodo decided he was bored of all this walking, pulled out a jetpack and flew himself to Mordor, this would break the suspension of disbelief entirely because it simply doesn't make sense. For me, and many other people watching the film, some of what happens in Prometheus is as bad as Frodo's jetpack. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On June 10 2012 19:45 Hairy wrote: I wish people would stop posting that link to someone explaining what he thinks the film was about like it somehow makes everything ok:
Even if there ARE a lot of interesting sub-plots etc etc going on, there are so many nonsensical things that happen, and the characters in the film continuously do such stupid and idiotic things (sometimes completely contrary to previous character development), that it is hard for many people to take the film seriously. This is due to 'suspension of disbelief' being broken - we are all gamers here, so chances are that you will have heard this term thrown around in game reviews. Essentially, when being told a story we are all happy to accept the story 'universe', providing that the 'universe' remains consistent with itself, and that everything within it makes sense and can be explained logically. However, if anything jarrs uncomfortably out of place it will drastically (sometimes irreparably) destroy the believability of that story, and your enjoyment is lost. When watching Lord of the Rings we accept that Gandalf can cast magic spells, that there are tiny people called hobbits, and that there are monsters out there in the world such as trolls and orcs and goblins. However, if Frodo decided he was bored of all this walking, pulled out a jetpack and flew himself to Mordor, this would break the suspension of disbelief entirely because it simply doesn't make sense. For me, and many other people watching the film, some of what happens in Prometheus is as bad as Frodo's jetpack. Your comparison is so bad that I'm not even going to start saying what's wrong with it | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On June 10 2012 22:35 Quotidian wrote: Why didn't the eagles simply fly into mordor and drop the ring off in the first place? Because surely eagles would have been corrupted by the ring's evil powers? | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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teapot
United Kingdom266 Posts
Hairy tried to show the difference between nit-picking trivialities, and immersion-breaking nonsense. And the problems with Prometheus are not trivialities that you can pass over in suspension-of-disbelief mode. They are like being slapped around the face by a fish, repeatedly. | ||
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Angel[BTL]
Romania345 Posts
Excerpt from the interview - http://filmophilia.com/2011/12/17/interview-ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-giger-beginning-of-man-and-original-alien/ Also, I ring off of… there’s a writer, Erich von Däniken. One of his most famous books was called Chariots of the Gods. Everyone thinks he was out of his mind, you know, for number one, “we are the creation of gods”, if you go back to the 19th century anthropologists, Darwin, and say if you go look at Darwin for the moment and look at the Darwinian idea, the Darwinian thesis, which is seemingly very logical. You know, you’re going from something that gradually comes to two legs and gradually here we are. Then you can go beyond that and you look more mathematically at the feasibility of how we’re able to be sitting here, right now, in this place. I’m talking to you, and I’ve got this thing (he picks up his cellphone) which looks like Star Trek. This is “Beam me up, Scotty”-stuff. You wouldn’t have believed this thing could exist thirty years ago. [Editor's note: And here is where he really takes off  Things have changed so dramatically that you can start looking at the idea that all our history can be completely wrong and misguided. Because at some point someone has to put a statement down and have their own thesis, have their own theories. That was then later accepted or later is gradually dissolved and re-drawn or reworked. So now you’ve got the whole changed attitude with NASA, the church and I think even Hawking. Over the last thirty years have gone from “It’s highly unlikely that there’s anyone else in our galaxy, any other force, being in our galaxy,” to now, where they’re conceding that there are probably thousands of different lifeforms in this galaxy. And I think Hawking actually said, “Let’s hope they don’t visit.” And I think the church has conceded as well that it would not be against the word of God if we conceded that there are other lifeforms in this galaxy. So, if you take that out, then the door is open. To me, it’s entirely logical. It’s entirely ridiculous to believe that we are the only ones here. That’s why my first thought is that for us to be sitting here right now is actually mathematically impossible without a lot of assistance. Who assisted? Who made the right decisions? Who was pushing and pulling to adjust us? That’s a fair question. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
On June 10 2012 22:52 teapot wrote: This is getting silly. Hairy tried to show the difference between nit-picking trivialities, and immersion-breaking nonsense. And the problems with Prometheus are not trivialities that you can pass over in suspension-of-disbelief mode. They are like being slapped around the face by a fish, repeatedly. I agree. The film was fun but the geologist/biologist mis-adventure is absolutely 100% un-acceptably stupid. In Alien it was a critical point in the film where Ripley + Show Spoiler + refuses to let them on the ship because THEY'RE FUCKING CONTAMINATED WITH AN ALIEN ON THE FACE but then the android bypasses her. | ||
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jungsu
United States279 Posts
On June 09 2012 04:01 WTFZerg wrote: Excellent movie. Storyline got somewhat jarred here and there, which is frustrating, but overall I enjoyed it. I like that they're actually developing a backstory to the Aliens. Few things that bothered me... + Show Spoiler + OH HEY A STRANGE NEW LIFE FORM. "HEY BEAUTIFUL, IMA POKE YOU" OH HEY I JUST HAD AN ALIEN SQUID EXTRACTED FROM ME, BUT DON'T WORRY IT'S JUST CHILLING IN YOUR SURGERY POD At any rate, by the time Humanity reaches the stars, I hope mission organizers look back at all the horror sci-fi movies and say "Yeah, we're bringing more guns than we have people and enough nuclear and conventional explosives to level a continent." This plus if the robot guy David (I think) knew there were more ships to pilot, why didn't the human-like alien guy? Instead of running to kill the human go to another alien ship. Sure he could fire on the wreckage from the air if he wanted to. Overall I really liked the movie though. | ||
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frogrubdown
1266 Posts
On June 11 2012 01:25 Angel[BTL] wrote: Fans of ancient aliens theory will rejoice when hearing this interview from Ridley Scott: Excerpt from the interview - http://filmophilia.com/2011/12/17/interview-ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-giger-beginning-of-man-and-original-alien/ What a nincompoop. Only in his mind does the likelihood that there is extraterrestrial life imply that it is "mathematically impossible" (does he even know what this means?) that we evolved unassisted. I've never understood why anyone has ever considered Scott a deep thinker, even with respect to far greater films like Blade Runner. | ||
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Deleted User 108965
1096 Posts
On June 11 2012 02:17 jungsu wrote: This plus if the robot guy David (I think) knew there were more ships to pilot, why didn't the human-like alien guy? Instead of running to kill the human go to another alien ship. Sure he could fire on the wreckage from the air if he wanted to. Overall I really liked the movie though. i can understand since the engineer needs oxygen to breathe then it couldnt exactly go out on a trek to a different ship, and the safety pod thing was close enough by that he could just run over to it. as for the biologist thing, i mean i know some pretty fucking dumb people in real life so i dont think its very far fetched that someone could do something like that. yeah he was a scientist and should know better, but im sure you know some really booksmart people with absolutely no common sense too. all the complaints just seem really nitpicky to me | ||
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
On June 10 2012 19:45 Hairy wrote: I wish people would stop posting that link to someone explaining what he thinks the film was about like it somehow makes everything ok:
Even if there ARE a lot of interesting sub-plots etc etc going on, there are so many nonsensical things that happen, and the characters in the film continuously do such stupid and idiotic things (sometimes completely contrary to previous character development), that it is hard for many people to take the film seriously. This is due to 'suspension of disbelief' being broken - we are all gamers here, so chances are that you will have heard this term thrown around in game reviews. Essentially, when being told a story we are all happy to accept the story 'universe', providing that the 'universe' remains consistent with itself, and that everything within it makes sense and can be explained logically. However, if anything jarrs uncomfortably out of place it will drastically (sometimes irreparably) destroy the believability of that story, and your enjoyment is lost. When watching Lord of the Rings we accept that Gandalf can cast magic spells, that there are tiny people called hobbits, and that there are monsters out there in the world such as trolls and orcs and goblins. However, if Frodo decided he was bored of all this walking, pulled out a jetpack and flew himself to Mordor, this would break the suspension of disbelief entirely because it simply doesn't make sense. For me, and many other people watching the film, some of what happens in Prometheus is as bad as Frodo's jetpack. I think the more proper comparison would be this: If most movies made logical sense, there would be no plot. For instance, I always like to use the Haunted House story: If two people walked up to a really spooky haunted house that obviously looked a little sketchy, they normally would not bother to go in. But this is a scary movie and requires a plot. It wouldn't be interesting if they just walked away; in fact our movie would just go strait to credits. Illogical events make things interesting. Use your imagination! There is an explanation you can come up with! | ||
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kellenr
98 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + - When Rapace looks at the guy with a flame thrower and vehemently explains: "This is a science expedition! You can't bring that thing!" Really, lady? You're going to, for the first time in human history, contact an extraterrestrial life form, who may or may not still be alive, and you don't think you should, you know, bring a weapon? If you were exploring the great pyramids on earth, yeah, great, don't bring a flame thrower. But you're on an alien planet! One you've never been to! - When the Geologist and Biologist decide to "go back to the ship because they don't specialize in dead bodies," and then they... just wonder the cave aimlessly, presumably getting lost? They had a full 3D map of the cave, and yet they somehow end up stranded inside, yet THEY LEFT FIRST. Wouldn't Rapace and Fassbender have passed them on the way out? Nope. Somehow the GEOLOGIST gets lost IN A CAVE with a FULL 3D MAP OF THE ENTIRE COMPLEX. Dumbest. Scientists. Ever. That would have been another great name for this movie: The Dumbest Scientists in the History of Ever. - When the Biologist see's the strange snake like creature. This scene was freaking cringe inducing. He first pushes the Geologist back and informs him, "Hey d00d, I'm a Biologist, I got this!" Then what does he do? Suggest they keep away? Suggest they know nothing about this creature, that it could be poisonous? Nope. He tries to coddle it like it's a newborn freaking baby. Clearly, he should have kept his Helmet of +10 To Biology on. This was so, so, so stupid. It would be like if Bear Gryls stumbled upon a King Cobra, looked at the camera man, and confidentially said, "I got this," then tried to pet it while saying, "Oh, hey baby. Look at you! Aren't you precious little ange--AHHHH, AHHHHHHHHHH!"  eath* I was so happy when he got his just rewards. I wanted everyone in this movie to die. Also, he tells the Geologist, "Be still!" even though the creature doesn't even have eyes.- The helmets. Why in gods name would you EVER take off your helmet on an alien world? Yeah, maybe the air is breathable, but what if... there's a poisonous plant? Or life form? Of the atmosphere changes? P.S. IT DOES! Or some crazy space virus? P.S. THERE IS! - When Rapace does the whole "emergency surgery" (This and the Sillica-Storm were the only good parts of the movie) thing, c-sections an alien, and then doesn't think to mention it to... anyone at all? "Hey, d00d's, I left an alien life form in Theron's room. Just thought I'd let you all know!" Hey, I have an idea, why don't you kill the thing? You know, while it's tiny? Sheesh. Again: Dumbest. Scientists. Ever. - The Star Men DNA being a "perfect match" to our own. I could be wrong on this one but... wouldn't that mean they would actually be homo-sapiens? It clearly seemed like they had some differing traits. I don't see how they could look like that, yet be our exact DNA match. - The Black Space Virus made the worms grow huge... yet it only made humans sick. Why didn't it make humans huge as well, or make the worms get sick but not huge? I could see it having a different effect on different creatures, but still, it's a reach. - Why did the alien head explode? I still have no idea. - What killed off all of the Star Men? While I was watching it, I was able to deduce that the Star Men had planned to wipe out life on earth, after they had created it. I then made the assumption that they hadn't because "something" had killed them all, leaving only one survivor in hyper-sleep. But later in the movie, Rapace says that they "changed their minds." So did they change their mind, or did they all die in an outbreak before they could carry out the plan? How was I supposed to know they changed their mind? How did she? Also, it seemed like Star Man was trying to go destroy earth again as soon as he woke up. This also led me to believe they didn't "change their mind," it was more like their plans had been thwarted somehow. Though I don't know how. What were all the holographic Star Men running from? What killed them off? - At the end, when Rapace says she wants to, "Go to their world." I literally face palmed. Really? After all this, you haven't learned your lesson? Even though the first thing Space Man did when he woke up was rip a dude's head off? Let me guess, you're not bringing any flame throwers, either? Because, you know, you're doing Science. I hope Prometheus 2 is five minutes long, and it's just Rapace getting her head ripped off. - There is not a single hero in this entire movie. Not a single one. I just kept waiting for someone to grow a pair, tape two guns together, and start massacring Star Men, Worm Monsters, and Super Mecha-Huge Face Huggers. But nope. Just a bunch of huge, embarrassing, stupid, wussy scientists. Even at the end, Rapace finally picks up that cool, scary Space Axe and I'm thinking, ohhhhh, yeahhh, finally getting a hero! Nope. Doesn't chop off a single tentacle. Just gets her wuss on some more, and gets lucky. The only character with even the remotest amount of bravery was the Captain, and he had like, ten lines. - They all raise their hands at the end, when they're kamikaze-ing the Prometheus, like they're on a freaking roller-coaster. I can honestly say I laughed out loud at this part. I just want to know who's idea that was on the set. - Fasstbender was the ONLY redeeming portion of this movie. I swear, every cool scene and good dialogue piece seemed to be reserved exclusively from him. This movie had one of the worst scripts ever. There was actually some good acting in it, but they had literally NOTHING to work with. So bad. - Also, Guy Pierces make-up. Do I need to say more? Worst. Old-suite. Ever. - Lastly, what I will truly never forgive it for. When someone unfamiliar with the franchise asks me "where the aliens came from," this is how I have to answer: Well, you see, there were these Space Men that created humans. And then they created a virus to extinguish humans. We don't know why, that's not important. Just hear me out. So this guy gets infected with the Space Virus, and then he has sex with his infertile wife. She somehow gets pregnant with a Space Baby, which is born slightly premature. Then the Preemie Space Baby impregnates a Space Man, and then the Space Man births the first Xenomorph. Yeah, that's where they came from... surprised you didn't know that." As you can see, I hated it. And I'm an atheist, so I didn't think it was offensive to my faith. It was offensive to Science. | ||
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