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On June 09 2012 21:20 wangstra wrote:
The movie is thoroughly enjoyable if you go in with the attitude of "I want to be dazzled" and you're willing to regularly suspend disbelief on a disproportionate scale. Otherwise it just grated on my nerves. My favorite character was Vickers, partly because they tried to straight jacket her into a completely insipid mold. This clearly intelligent and tenacious person somehow forgets, simply forgets, that you can run sideways to avoid something that's coming straight at you. I felt like I was being beaten over the head with stupidity.
This wasn't a mission that needed 17 crew members. It was a fucking shitty director that needed 16 victims. Fuck you.
Seriously what's with scientists removing their helmets in completely alien environments. So what, they can breathe air? There's no information about contagions in the area and even then they go around touching shit like it was sterile. WTF
Two scared scientists even though they have a map get lost. No one on board had the fucking decency to tell them, 'oh just head east and turn left at the junction to get back to the entrance. Hang tight there we'll get you at dawn.' Instead these hired idiots out of all the great scientists on earth, keep walking around all night while people get rest on board. Even if they don't figure their way out, why wouldn't they get rest either?
David asks you a question and you reply that he would know the answer if only he was human. Get the fuck out of here. I don't even know why you would want to ask why the engineers wanted to destroy humans. Yet if a sequel comes up, I'm supposed to want to follow you on your journey without knowing why?
Then a whole scene where Shaw fights off two abled people and has all the time in the world to perform the surgery and they didn't even seem to bother to try and find her. Even Vickers, whom they tried to portray unconvincingly as a bitch seemed unawares that someone how used the room that was supposedly part of her inner sanctum that was hands off. It's a science vessel where seemingly people contaminate their environment and no one bothers to clean up.
I honestly like the captain. He was the only seemingly human person there. But tell me what was it the other two did that he couldn't handle by himself? They too somehow had a death wish (otherwise we're not bothered with an explanation) and leave the only two surviving crew members alone on an alien world.
I could go on and on. I just wished someone would make a great sci-fi, allow themselves to put limits on what's simply outrageous, and then from those limits creatively make something enjoyable, scary, inspiring. Then I'm not performing gymnastics in my head to enjoy it.
So you liked it then? 
I feel like this happens every single time a new sci-fi film comes out. Did older movies really have plots that made perfect sense? You do have to suspend disbelief a little bit for there even to be a story in the first place.
I mean you can destroy this plot in the first 10 seconds if you really wanted to.
But to have a sci-fi film in the first place you have to suspend disbelief quite a bit.
I do wanna chip in on one science thing though.
They said the atmosphere has 21% oxygen, 71% nitrogen, some argon and 3% Co2 - therefore you can't breath?
Surely that atmosphere would be breathable without their stupid water thingy.
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On June 09 2012 21:32 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 21:20 wangstra wrote:
The movie is thoroughly enjoyable if you go in with the attitude of "I want to be dazzled" and you're willing to regularly suspend disbelief on a disproportionate scale. Otherwise it just grated on my nerves. My favorite character was Vickers, partly because they tried to straight jacket her into a completely insipid mold. This clearly intelligent and tenacious person somehow forgets, simply forgets, that you can run sideways to avoid something that's coming straight at you. I felt like I was being beaten over the head with stupidity.
This wasn't a mission that needed 17 crew members. It was a fucking shitty director that needed 16 victims. Fuck you.
Seriously what's with scientists removing their helmets in completely alien environments. So what, they can breathe air? There's no information about contagions in the area and even then they go around touching shit like it was sterile. WTF
Two scared scientists even though they have a map get lost. No one on board had the fucking decency to tell them, 'oh just head east and turn left at the junction to get back to the entrance. Hang tight there we'll get you at dawn.' Instead these hired idiots out of all the great scientists on earth, keep walking around all night while people get rest on board. Even if they don't figure their way out, why wouldn't they get rest either?
David asks you a question and you reply that he would know the answer if only he was human. Get the fuck out of here. I don't even know why you would want to ask why the engineers wanted to destroy humans. Yet if a sequel comes up, I'm supposed to want to follow you on your journey without knowing why?
Then a whole scene where Shaw fights off two abled people and has all the time in the world to perform the surgery and they didn't even seem to bother to try and find her. Even Vickers, whom they tried to portray unconvincingly as a bitch seemed unawares that someone how used the room that was supposedly part of her inner sanctum that was hands off. It's a science vessel where seemingly people contaminate their environment and no one bothers to clean up.
I honestly like the captain. He was the only seemingly human person there. But tell me what was it the other two did that he couldn't handle by himself? They too somehow had a death wish (otherwise we're not bothered with an explanation) and leave the only two surviving crew members alone on an alien world.
I could go on and on. I just wished someone would make a great sci-fi, allow themselves to put limits on what's simply outrageous, and then from those limits creatively make something enjoyable, scary, inspiring. Then I'm not performing gymnastics in my head to enjoy it. So you liked it then? I feel like this happens every single time a new sci-fi film comes out. Did older movies really have plots that made perfect sense? You do have to suspend disbelief a little bit for there even to be a story in the first place. I mean you can destroy this plot in the first 10 seconds if you really wanted to. But to have a sci-fi film in the first place you have to suspend disbelief quite a bit. I do wanna chip in on one science thing though. They said the atmosphere has 21% oxygen, 71% nitrogen, some argon and 3% Co2 - therefore you can't breath? Surely that atmosphere would be breathable without their stupid water thingy.
yeah.. I really don't get why it's supposedly unbreathable after 3 minutes either
earth atmosphere:
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It was supposedly unbreathable because of the carbon dioxide. Except that made no sense, because CO2 isn't actually toxic, it's just an asphyxiant. It needs to get to like 10% before it knocks you out.
I kind of let myself ignore the enormous science fails. "Genetic match!" was also facedeskingly dumb.
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On June 09 2012 21:32 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 21:20 wangstra wrote:
The movie is thoroughly enjoyable if you go in with the attitude of "I want to be dazzled" and you're willing to regularly suspend disbelief on a disproportionate scale. Otherwise it just grated on my nerves. My favorite character was Vickers, partly because they tried to straight jacket her into a completely insipid mold. This clearly intelligent and tenacious person somehow forgets, simply forgets, that you can run sideways to avoid something that's coming straight at you. I felt like I was being beaten over the head with stupidity.
This wasn't a mission that needed 17 crew members. It was a fucking shitty director that needed 16 victims. Fuck you.
Seriously what's with scientists removing their helmets in completely alien environments. So what, they can breathe air? There's no information about contagions in the area and even then they go around touching shit like it was sterile. WTF
Two scared scientists even though they have a map get lost. No one on board had the fucking decency to tell them, 'oh just head east and turn left at the junction to get back to the entrance. Hang tight there we'll get you at dawn.' Instead these hired idiots out of all the great scientists on earth, keep walking around all night while people get rest on board. Even if they don't figure their way out, why wouldn't they get rest either?
David asks you a question and you reply that he would know the answer if only he was human. Get the fuck out of here. I don't even know why you would want to ask why the engineers wanted to destroy humans. Yet if a sequel comes up, I'm supposed to want to follow you on your journey without knowing why?
Then a whole scene where Shaw fights off two abled people and has all the time in the world to perform the surgery and they didn't even seem to bother to try and find her. Even Vickers, whom they tried to portray unconvincingly as a bitch seemed unawares that someone how used the room that was supposedly part of her inner sanctum that was hands off. It's a science vessel where seemingly people contaminate their environment and no one bothers to clean up.
I honestly like the captain. He was the only seemingly human person there. But tell me what was it the other two did that he couldn't handle by himself? They too somehow had a death wish (otherwise we're not bothered with an explanation) and leave the only two surviving crew members alone on an alien world.
I could go on and on. I just wished someone would make a great sci-fi, allow themselves to put limits on what's simply outrageous, and then from those limits creatively make something enjoyable, scary, inspiring. Then I'm not performing gymnastics in my head to enjoy it. So you liked it then? I feel like this happens every single time a new sci-fi film comes out. Did older movies really have plots that made perfect sense? You do have to suspend disbelief a little bit for there even to be a story in the first place. I mean you can destroy this plot in the first 10 seconds if you really wanted to. But to have a sci-fi film in the first place you have to suspend disbelief quite a bit. I do wanna chip in on one science thing though. They said the atmosphere has 21% oxygen, 71% nitrogen, some argon and 3% Co2 - therefore you can't breath? Surely that atmosphere would be breathable without their stupid water thingy.
Not "older movies" in general, but the movies we like to tout as great had sensible plots or so I'd like to think. Honestly, science fiction can still make sense in the world and rules it sets up. Having characters behave like morons when it's convenient to the plot is a terrible way to go about this and having them change the personality that you'rv established for them is an even worse way.
How does one even get lost in an expedition like that? Were the people on the ship just dicking around any not helping out in any way? The way the biologist and geologist suddenly got brave to play with an alien snake monster that they knew nothing about was actually retarded. At the end, Shaw avoided death by literally rolling twice. The maximum distance she could have covered in those two rolls was about 4 feet and that's all Vickers had to do to survive yet she just went full retard and kept running straight.
Also, there were a lot of simple small plot threads thrown in for no reason with no resolution and that's what bothered me because it just became a clusterfuck. Vickers apparently drops the big reveal that she's the old guys daughter with the emphasis on "father" when they finally meet, but that's not a big fucking deal at all and had no real effect on the rest of the movie.
David infecting Charlie leading to Shaw getting pregnant with an alien baby made no sense, he did it for shits and giggles. Following this, Shaw goes through one of the most fucked up and excruciating ordeals of her life after punching two doctors(one of whom you see later so apparently no one gave enough of a fuck to look for a crazy potentially contaminated lady on board) and then never mentions it to anyone and just suits up for another expedition. You'd think she'd have told someone, "Yeah, by the way I had an alien baby inside me and i had it cut out but it was alive so I purged it you may wanna go check on that. Oh and David is a dick".
I hate being in a theatre and wanting a movie to end, it's a horrible feeling. When you feel there's nothing a movie can do after a certain point to really elevate your viewing experience and you just want it over. For me, right after the Prometheus took out the alien ship, the movie was past where it should have ended. I just wanted it to be over.
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On June 09 2012 21:49 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 21:32 Klive5ive wrote:On June 09 2012 21:20 wangstra wrote:
The movie is thoroughly enjoyable if you go in with the attitude of "I want to be dazzled" and you're willing to regularly suspend disbelief on a disproportionate scale. Otherwise it just grated on my nerves. My favorite character was Vickers, partly because they tried to straight jacket her into a completely insipid mold. This clearly intelligent and tenacious person somehow forgets, simply forgets, that you can run sideways to avoid something that's coming straight at you. I felt like I was being beaten over the head with stupidity.
This wasn't a mission that needed 17 crew members. It was a fucking shitty director that needed 16 victims. Fuck you.
Seriously what's with scientists removing their helmets in completely alien environments. So what, they can breathe air? There's no information about contagions in the area and even then they go around touching shit like it was sterile. WTF
Two scared scientists even though they have a map get lost. No one on board had the fucking decency to tell them, 'oh just head east and turn left at the junction to get back to the entrance. Hang tight there we'll get you at dawn.' Instead these hired idiots out of all the great scientists on earth, keep walking around all night while people get rest on board. Even if they don't figure their way out, why wouldn't they get rest either?
David asks you a question and you reply that he would know the answer if only he was human. Get the fuck out of here. I don't even know why you would want to ask why the engineers wanted to destroy humans. Yet if a sequel comes up, I'm supposed to want to follow you on your journey without knowing why?
Then a whole scene where Shaw fights off two abled people and has all the time in the world to perform the surgery and they didn't even seem to bother to try and find her. Even Vickers, whom they tried to portray unconvincingly as a bitch seemed unawares that someone how used the room that was supposedly part of her inner sanctum that was hands off. It's a science vessel where seemingly people contaminate their environment and no one bothers to clean up.
I honestly like the captain. He was the only seemingly human person there. But tell me what was it the other two did that he couldn't handle by himself? They too somehow had a death wish (otherwise we're not bothered with an explanation) and leave the only two surviving crew members alone on an alien world.
I could go on and on. I just wished someone would make a great sci-fi, allow themselves to put limits on what's simply outrageous, and then from those limits creatively make something enjoyable, scary, inspiring. Then I'm not performing gymnastics in my head to enjoy it. So you liked it then? I feel like this happens every single time a new sci-fi film comes out. Did older movies really have plots that made perfect sense? You do have to suspend disbelief a little bit for there even to be a story in the first place. I mean you can destroy this plot in the first 10 seconds if you really wanted to. But to have a sci-fi film in the first place you have to suspend disbelief quite a bit. I do wanna chip in on one science thing though. They said the atmosphere has 21% oxygen, 71% nitrogen, some argon and 3% Co2 - therefore you can't breath? Surely that atmosphere would be breathable without their stupid water thingy. Not "older movies" in general, but the movies we like to tout as great had sensible plots or so I'd like to think. Honestly, science fiction can still make sense in the world and rules it sets up. Having characters behave like morons when it's convenient to the plot is a terrible way to go about this and having them change the personality that you'rv established for them is an even worse way. How does one even get lost in an expedition like that? Were the people on the ship just dicking around any not helping out in any way? The way the biologist and geologist suddenly got brave to play with an alien snake monster that they knew nothing about was actually retarded. At the end, Shaw avoided death by literally rolling twice. The maximum distance she could have covered in those two rolls was about 4 feet and that's all Vickers had to do to survive yet she just went full retard and kept running straight.Also, there were a lot of simple small plot threads thrown in for no reason with no resolution and that's what bothered me because it just became a clusterfuck. Vickers apparently drops the big reveal that she's the old guys daughter with the emphasis on "father" when they finally meet, but that's not a big fucking deal at all and had no real effect on the rest of the movie. David infecting Charlie leading to Shaw getting pregnant with an alien baby made no sense, he did it for shits and giggles. Following this, Shaw goes through one of the most fucked up and excruciating ordeals of her life after punching two doctors(one of whom you see later so apparently no one gave enough of a fuck to look for a crazy potentially contaminated lady on board) and then never mentions it to anyone and just suits up for another expedition. You'd think she'd have told someone, "Yeah, by the way I had an alien baby inside me and i had it cut out but it was alive so I purged it you may wanna go check on that. Oh and David is a dick". I hate being in a theatre and wanting a movie to end, it's a horrible feeling. When you feel there's nothing a movie can do after a certain point to really elevate your viewing experience and you just want it over. For me, right after the Prometheus took out the alien ship, the movie was past where it should have ended. I just wanted it to be over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_vision
Just saying.
And yes Vickers/Weyland father daughter thing was just irrelevant I don't know why it was in there. It wasn't a shock. It added nothing. She didn't even have to confirm it, it was painfully obvious that they were related.
Also if Shaw told people about that alien baby, she'd likely be quarantined regardless and I doubt she'd want that.
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[B]On June 09 2012 21:20 wangstra wrote:[/B
Seriously what's with scientists removing their helmets in completely alien environments. So what, they can breathe air? There's no information about contagions in the area and even then they go around touching shit like it was sterile. WTF
Two scared scientists even though they have a map get lost. No one on board had the fucking decency to tell them, 'oh just head east and turn left at the junction to get back to the entrance. Hang tight there we'll get you at dawn.' Instead these hired idiots out of all the great scientists on earth, keep walking around all night while people get rest on board. Even if they don't figure their way out, why wouldn't they get rest either?
David asks you a question and you reply that he would know the answer if only he was human. Get the fuck out of here. I don't even know why you would want to ask why the engineers wanted to destroy humans. Yet if a sequel comes up, I'm supposed to want to follow you on your journey without knowing why?
Then a whole scene where Shaw fights off two abled people and has all the time in the world to perform the surgery and they didn't even seem to bother to try and find her. Even Vickers, whom they tried to portray unconvincingly as a bitch seemed unawares that someone how used the room that was supposedly part of her inner sanctum that was hands off. It's a science vessel where seemingly people contaminate their environment and no one bothers to clean up.
I honestly like the captain. He was the only seemingly human person there. But tell me what was it the other two did that he couldn't handle by himself? They too somehow had a death wish (otherwise we're not bothered with an explanation) and leave the only two surviving crew members alone on an alien world.
I could go on and on. I just wished someone would make a great sci-fi, allow themselves to put limits on what's simply outrageous, and then from those limits creatively make something enjoyable, scary, inspiring. Then I'm not performing gymnastics in my head to enjoy it.
Yes! This is what I feel too. The whole crew acted like space travel had just been invented and this was the beginner mission that would later be the grounds for the book "101 mistakes to make when encountering alien buildings and/or life forms".
Taking off the helmets, tampering with everything they found... etc. And as you mention, the whole thing with the biologist and the geologist getting lost and then becoming the biggest morons on the planet (literally, I guess). Approached by nasty looking alien snake thing - wants to hug it... Also, when the ship crew start to understand that the geo and bio guys are missing, they don't look at (what I simply must presume to be the) recorded data of their last minutes that was transmitted to the ship. No, they just head down to the ship. There's just so much weird behavior that doesn't seem plausible at all.
To be honest, I think I personally could have made the movie about 100% better just by tweaking some things in how they behaved... 
Edit: upped 50% to 100%...
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loved andromeda gotta watch this aswell^^
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On June 09 2012 21:37 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 21:32 Klive5ive wrote:On June 09 2012 21:20 wangstra wrote:
The movie is thoroughly enjoyable if you go in with the attitude of "I want to be dazzled" and you're willing to regularly suspend disbelief on a disproportionate scale. Otherwise it just grated on my nerves. My favorite character was Vickers, partly because they tried to straight jacket her into a completely insipid mold. This clearly intelligent and tenacious person somehow forgets, simply forgets, that you can run sideways to avoid something that's coming straight at you. I felt like I was being beaten over the head with stupidity.
This wasn't a mission that needed 17 crew members. It was a fucking shitty director that needed 16 victims. Fuck you.
Seriously what's with scientists removing their helmets in completely alien environments. So what, they can breathe air? There's no information about contagions in the area and even then they go around touching shit like it was sterile. WTF
Two scared scientists even though they have a map get lost. No one on board had the fucking decency to tell them, 'oh just head east and turn left at the junction to get back to the entrance. Hang tight there we'll get you at dawn.' Instead these hired idiots out of all the great scientists on earth, keep walking around all night while people get rest on board. Even if they don't figure their way out, why wouldn't they get rest either?
David asks you a question and you reply that he would know the answer if only he was human. Get the fuck out of here. I don't even know why you would want to ask why the engineers wanted to destroy humans. Yet if a sequel comes up, I'm supposed to want to follow you on your journey without knowing why?
Then a whole scene where Shaw fights off two abled people and has all the time in the world to perform the surgery and they didn't even seem to bother to try and find her. Even Vickers, whom they tried to portray unconvincingly as a bitch seemed unawares that someone how used the room that was supposedly part of her inner sanctum that was hands off. It's a science vessel where seemingly people contaminate their environment and no one bothers to clean up.
I honestly like the captain. He was the only seemingly human person there. But tell me what was it the other two did that he couldn't handle by himself? They too somehow had a death wish (otherwise we're not bothered with an explanation) and leave the only two surviving crew members alone on an alien world.
I could go on and on. I just wished someone would make a great sci-fi, allow themselves to put limits on what's simply outrageous, and then from those limits creatively make something enjoyable, scary, inspiring. Then I'm not performing gymnastics in my head to enjoy it. So you liked it then? I feel like this happens every single time a new sci-fi film comes out. Did older movies really have plots that made perfect sense? You do have to suspend disbelief a little bit for there even to be a story in the first place. I mean you can destroy this plot in the first 10 seconds if you really wanted to. But to have a sci-fi film in the first place you have to suspend disbelief quite a bit. I do wanna chip in on one science thing though. They said the atmosphere has 21% oxygen, 71% nitrogen, some argon and 3% Co2 - therefore you can't breath? Surely that atmosphere would be breathable without their stupid water thingy. yeah.. I really don't get why it's supposedly unbreathable after 3 minutes either earth atmosphere:
Argon doesn't necessarily hurt you, but it doesn't do anything to help you either, you can asphyxiate on it, mixed with 3% CO2, it's not completely unreasonable to believe that you'd be getting way too much CO2/Ar and not enough Oxygen after a few minutes.
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On June 09 2012 22:05 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 21:49 Mordiford wrote:On June 09 2012 21:32 Klive5ive wrote:On June 09 2012 21:20 wangstra wrote:
The movie is thoroughly enjoyable if you go in with the attitude of "I want to be dazzled" and you're willing to regularly suspend disbelief on a disproportionate scale. Otherwise it just grated on my nerves. My favorite character was Vickers, partly because they tried to straight jacket her into a completely insipid mold. This clearly intelligent and tenacious person somehow forgets, simply forgets, that you can run sideways to avoid something that's coming straight at you. I felt like I was being beaten over the head with stupidity.
This wasn't a mission that needed 17 crew members. It was a fucking shitty director that needed 16 victims. Fuck you.
Seriously what's with scientists removing their helmets in completely alien environments. So what, they can breathe air? There's no information about contagions in the area and even then they go around touching shit like it was sterile. WTF
Two scared scientists even though they have a map get lost. No one on board had the fucking decency to tell them, 'oh just head east and turn left at the junction to get back to the entrance. Hang tight there we'll get you at dawn.' Instead these hired idiots out of all the great scientists on earth, keep walking around all night while people get rest on board. Even if they don't figure their way out, why wouldn't they get rest either?
David asks you a question and you reply that he would know the answer if only he was human. Get the fuck out of here. I don't even know why you would want to ask why the engineers wanted to destroy humans. Yet if a sequel comes up, I'm supposed to want to follow you on your journey without knowing why?
Then a whole scene where Shaw fights off two abled people and has all the time in the world to perform the surgery and they didn't even seem to bother to try and find her. Even Vickers, whom they tried to portray unconvincingly as a bitch seemed unawares that someone how used the room that was supposedly part of her inner sanctum that was hands off. It's a science vessel where seemingly people contaminate their environment and no one bothers to clean up.
I honestly like the captain. He was the only seemingly human person there. But tell me what was it the other two did that he couldn't handle by himself? They too somehow had a death wish (otherwise we're not bothered with an explanation) and leave the only two surviving crew members alone on an alien world.
I could go on and on. I just wished someone would make a great sci-fi, allow themselves to put limits on what's simply outrageous, and then from those limits creatively make something enjoyable, scary, inspiring. Then I'm not performing gymnastics in my head to enjoy it. So you liked it then? I feel like this happens every single time a new sci-fi film comes out. Did older movies really have plots that made perfect sense? You do have to suspend disbelief a little bit for there even to be a story in the first place. I mean you can destroy this plot in the first 10 seconds if you really wanted to. But to have a sci-fi film in the first place you have to suspend disbelief quite a bit. I do wanna chip in on one science thing though. They said the atmosphere has 21% oxygen, 71% nitrogen, some argon and 3% Co2 - therefore you can't breath? Surely that atmosphere would be breathable without their stupid water thingy. Not "older movies" in general, but the movies we like to tout as great had sensible plots or so I'd like to think. Honestly, science fiction can still make sense in the world and rules it sets up. Having characters behave like morons when it's convenient to the plot is a terrible way to go about this and having them change the personality that you'rv established for them is an even worse way. How does one even get lost in an expedition like that? Were the people on the ship just dicking around any not helping out in any way? The way the biologist and geologist suddenly got brave to play with an alien snake monster that they knew nothing about was actually retarded. At the end, Shaw avoided death by literally rolling twice. The maximum distance she could have covered in those two rolls was about 4 feet and that's all Vickers had to do to survive yet she just went full retard and kept running straight.Also, there were a lot of simple small plot threads thrown in for no reason with no resolution and that's what bothered me because it just became a clusterfuck. Vickers apparently drops the big reveal that she's the old guys daughter with the emphasis on "father" when they finally meet, but that's not a big fucking deal at all and had no real effect on the rest of the movie. David infecting Charlie leading to Shaw getting pregnant with an alien baby made no sense, he did it for shits and giggles. Following this, Shaw goes through one of the most fucked up and excruciating ordeals of her life after punching two doctors(one of whom you see later so apparently no one gave enough of a fuck to look for a crazy potentially contaminated lady on board) and then never mentions it to anyone and just suits up for another expedition. You'd think she'd have told someone, "Yeah, by the way I had an alien baby inside me and i had it cut out but it was alive so I purged it you may wanna go check on that. Oh and David is a dick". I hate being in a theatre and wanting a movie to end, it's a horrible feeling. When you feel there's nothing a movie can do after a certain point to really elevate your viewing experience and you just want it over. For me, right after the Prometheus took out the alien ship, the movie was past where it should have ended. I just wanted it to be over. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_visionJust saying. And yes Vickers/Weyland father daughter thing was just irrelevant I don't know why it was in there. It wasn't a shock. It added nothing. She didn't even have to confirm it, it was painfully obvious that they were related. Also if Shaw told people about that alien baby, she'd likely be quarantined regardless and I doubt she'd want that.
She was supposed to be in quarantine and in cryo anyway, apparently they all just changed their mind and decided she was good to go. Also, even if she didn't tell them, David had no fucking reason not to, just like he had no real reason to poison Charlie in the first place. Even the female doctor who was there and got kicked around said fuck all about it.
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On June 09 2012 23:58 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 22:05 Femari wrote:On June 09 2012 21:49 Mordiford wrote:On June 09 2012 21:32 Klive5ive wrote:On June 09 2012 21:20 wangstra wrote:
The movie is thoroughly enjoyable if you go in with the attitude of "I want to be dazzled" and you're willing to regularly suspend disbelief on a disproportionate scale. Otherwise it just grated on my nerves. My favorite character was Vickers, partly because they tried to straight jacket her into a completely insipid mold. This clearly intelligent and tenacious person somehow forgets, simply forgets, that you can run sideways to avoid something that's coming straight at you. I felt like I was being beaten over the head with stupidity.
This wasn't a mission that needed 17 crew members. It was a fucking shitty director that needed 16 victims. Fuck you.
Seriously what's with scientists removing their helmets in completely alien environments. So what, they can breathe air? There's no information about contagions in the area and even then they go around touching shit like it was sterile. WTF
Two scared scientists even though they have a map get lost. No one on board had the fucking decency to tell them, 'oh just head east and turn left at the junction to get back to the entrance. Hang tight there we'll get you at dawn.' Instead these hired idiots out of all the great scientists on earth, keep walking around all night while people get rest on board. Even if they don't figure their way out, why wouldn't they get rest either?
David asks you a question and you reply that he would know the answer if only he was human. Get the fuck out of here. I don't even know why you would want to ask why the engineers wanted to destroy humans. Yet if a sequel comes up, I'm supposed to want to follow you on your journey without knowing why?
Then a whole scene where Shaw fights off two abled people and has all the time in the world to perform the surgery and they didn't even seem to bother to try and find her. Even Vickers, whom they tried to portray unconvincingly as a bitch seemed unawares that someone how used the room that was supposedly part of her inner sanctum that was hands off. It's a science vessel where seemingly people contaminate their environment and no one bothers to clean up.
I honestly like the captain. He was the only seemingly human person there. But tell me what was it the other two did that he couldn't handle by himself? They too somehow had a death wish (otherwise we're not bothered with an explanation) and leave the only two surviving crew members alone on an alien world.
I could go on and on. I just wished someone would make a great sci-fi, allow themselves to put limits on what's simply outrageous, and then from those limits creatively make something enjoyable, scary, inspiring. Then I'm not performing gymnastics in my head to enjoy it. So you liked it then? I feel like this happens every single time a new sci-fi film comes out. Did older movies really have plots that made perfect sense? You do have to suspend disbelief a little bit for there even to be a story in the first place. I mean you can destroy this plot in the first 10 seconds if you really wanted to. But to have a sci-fi film in the first place you have to suspend disbelief quite a bit. I do wanna chip in on one science thing though. They said the atmosphere has 21% oxygen, 71% nitrogen, some argon and 3% Co2 - therefore you can't breath? Surely that atmosphere would be breathable without their stupid water thingy. Not "older movies" in general, but the movies we like to tout as great had sensible plots or so I'd like to think. Honestly, science fiction can still make sense in the world and rules it sets up. Having characters behave like morons when it's convenient to the plot is a terrible way to go about this and having them change the personality that you'rv established for them is an even worse way. How does one even get lost in an expedition like that? Were the people on the ship just dicking around any not helping out in any way? The way the biologist and geologist suddenly got brave to play with an alien snake monster that they knew nothing about was actually retarded. At the end, Shaw avoided death by literally rolling twice. The maximum distance she could have covered in those two rolls was about 4 feet and that's all Vickers had to do to survive yet she just went full retard and kept running straight.Also, there were a lot of simple small plot threads thrown in for no reason with no resolution and that's what bothered me because it just became a clusterfuck. Vickers apparently drops the big reveal that she's the old guys daughter with the emphasis on "father" when they finally meet, but that's not a big fucking deal at all and had no real effect on the rest of the movie. David infecting Charlie leading to Shaw getting pregnant with an alien baby made no sense, he did it for shits and giggles. Following this, Shaw goes through one of the most fucked up and excruciating ordeals of her life after punching two doctors(one of whom you see later so apparently no one gave enough of a fuck to look for a crazy potentially contaminated lady on board) and then never mentions it to anyone and just suits up for another expedition. You'd think she'd have told someone, "Yeah, by the way I had an alien baby inside me and i had it cut out but it was alive so I purged it you may wanna go check on that. Oh and David is a dick". I hate being in a theatre and wanting a movie to end, it's a horrible feeling. When you feel there's nothing a movie can do after a certain point to really elevate your viewing experience and you just want it over. For me, right after the Prometheus took out the alien ship, the movie was past where it should have ended. I just wanted it to be over. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_visionJust saying. And yes Vickers/Weyland father daughter thing was just irrelevant I don't know why it was in there. It wasn't a shock. It added nothing. She didn't even have to confirm it, it was painfully obvious that they were related. Also if Shaw told people about that alien baby, she'd likely be quarantined regardless and I doubt she'd want that. She was supposed to be in quarantine and in cryo anyway, apparently they all just changed their mind and decided she was good to go. Also, even if she didn't tell them, David had no fucking reason not to, just like he had no real reason to poison Charlie in the first place. Even the female doctor who was there and got kicked around said fuck all about it.
Sigh, he didn't poison Charlie. He found some device that the Engineers created and didn't know what it did (it did nothing to him because he wasn't organic), so he tested it on Charlie, he wanted to see what it did, he had no idea what it would have done. Even asked Charlie who told him that he would do ''anything and everything'' for answers
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i listen to you kids . . and im only 30, going on about the alien films, my dad being the great man he is let me watch 18 rated films when i was quite young . . (not sure if this is a bad thing or not but im really REALLY glad he did at times like this!) but i remember watching alien the first time round . . i didnt think it was that good . . . not enough happened in it. I thought the same with The Thing. Indiana jones and the ark, same. . . i was just too young to see it.
But then i got into secondary school (11) and rewatched them and remember re seeing the film with more a understanding mind . . Still i concluded not much happens in them but i was completely entertained . . . why? Suspense. My mind was making up so much more.
Alien had it beautifully crafted. you never got to see the alien for nearly 3/4 of the film. aliens went balls to the wall fucking aliens everywhere.
So ive watched all the aliens as it holds a child hood place, 3 was ok, 4 was shit avp was ok but shit, avp2 was better but still shit, prometheus i thought was good.
We expect so much more these days, it will never go back to waw special effects ur suprised with, were playing better effects in video games. anyway, complete off the wall shit this. Prometheus. Good. Love the ending sequence hope this is a 3 part where it takes us up to the 2100;s and shows us the further evolution of the species
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I'll bite.
On June 09 2012 21:20 wangstra wrote:
The movie is thoroughly enjoyable if you go in with the attitude of "I want to be dazzled" and you're willing to regularly suspend disbelief on a disproportionate scale. Otherwise it just grated on my nerves. My favorite character was Vickers, partly because they tried to straight jacket her into a completely insipid mold. This clearly intelligent and tenacious person somehow forgets, simply forgets, that you can run sideways to avoid something that's coming straight at you. I felt like I was being beaten over the head with stupidity.
Actually intelligence has utterly nothing to do with how you might react in a given situation in which your life is on the line. Sometimes you just freeze up, regardless of how big your IQ is. Maybe you too would commit a seemingly obvious error in the face of imminent death -- have you been there, can you really judge that definitively (and besides, can you even make that judgment about another)?
This wasn't a mission that needed 17 crew members. It was a fucking shitty director that needed 16 victims. Fuck you.
unnecessary rage
Seriously what's with scientists removing their helmets in completely alien environments. So what, they can breathe air? There's no information about contagions in the area and even then they go around touching shit like it was sterile. WTF
Did you see all the tech they employed on that mission? Assume they had 'scanners' or w/e that would also detect 'contagions' known to imperil humans. I saw nobody touch anything with bare hands -- just suited gloves.
Two scared scientists even though they have a map get lost. No one on board had the fucking decency to tell them, 'oh just head east and turn left at the junction to get back to the entrance. Hang tight there we'll get you at dawn.' Instead these hired idiots out of all the great scientists on earth, keep walking around all night while people get rest on board. Even if they don't figure their way out, why wouldn't they get rest either?
The captain did tell them he'd get them in the morning. Based on their communication it's obvious that the captain wants to get them, but can't, due to the storm and other preoccupations. Going to the entrance would mean going into the raging storm. They didn't get rest because the captain alerted them about a 'life form' just west of their position. They proceed to head east. Perhaps the way out was west, where they didn't want to stray?
David asks you a question and you reply that he woulsd know the answer if only he was human. Get the fuck out of here. I don't even know why you would want to ask why the engineers wanted to destroy humans. Yet if a sequel comes up, I'm supposed to want to follow you on your journey without knowing why?
It implies the desire to know is something beyond logic. To me this reads as touching on the difference between AI & machines. Have you heard of a Turing Machine? So what if you have a machine that can answer all questions logically -- it will still be stumped at some point based on the human element it lacks. What this element is remains uncertain, but it probably has something to do with empathy.
Then a whole scene where Shaw fights off two abled people and has all the time in the world to perform the surgery and they didn't even seem to bother to try and find her. Even Vickers, whom they tried to portray unconvincingly as a bitch seemed unawares that someone how used the room that was supposedly part of her inner sanctum that was hands off. It's a science vessel where seemingly people contaminate their environment and no one bothers to clean up.
Lots of shit was going down at the time. If everyone was having tea in Earth's orbit, yeah, maybe this surgery would have been the most pressing concern on board. However there was a disaster unfolding at the time, which preoccupied any would-be responders.
I honestly like the captain. He was the only seemingly human person there. But tell me what was it the other two did that he couldn't handle by himself? They too somehow had a death wish (otherwise we're not bothered with an explanation) and leave the only two surviving crew members alone on an alien world.
They explain that the captain is actually a terrible pilot. They understand the importance of intercepting the alien craft, so it follows that in order to realize the mission they must remain with the semi-incompetent captain.
I could go on and on. I just wished someone would make a great sci-fi, allow themselves to put limits on what's simply outrageous, and then from those limits creatively make something enjoyable, scary, inspiring. Then I'm not performing gymnastics in my head to enjoy it.
I think you're asking for too much because the points you outlined aren't all that glaring if you think creatively for a sec
On June 09 2012 23:40 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 21:37 Quotidian wrote:On June 09 2012 21:32 Klive5ive wrote:On June 09 2012 21:20 wangstra wrote:
The movie is thoroughly enjoyable if you go in with the attitude of "I want to be dazzled" and you're willing to regularly suspend disbelief on a disproportionate scale. Otherwise it just grated on my nerves. My favorite character was Vickers, partly because they tried to straight jacket her into a completely insipid mold. This clearly intelligent and tenacious person somehow forgets, simply forgets, that you can run sideways to avoid something that's coming straight at you. I felt like I was being beaten over the head with stupidity.
This wasn't a mission that needed 17 crew members. It was a fucking shitty director that needed 16 victims. Fuck you.
Seriously what's with scientists removing their helmets in completely alien environments. So what, they can breathe air? There's no information about contagions in the area and even then they go around touching shit like it was sterile. WTF
Two scared scientists even though they have a map get lost. No one on board had the fucking decency to tell them, 'oh just head east and turn left at the junction to get back to the entrance. Hang tight there we'll get you at dawn.' Instead these hired idiots out of all the great scientists on earth, keep walking around all night while people get rest on board. Even if they don't figure their way out, why wouldn't they get rest either?
David asks you a question and you reply that he would know the answer if only he was human. Get the fuck out of here. I don't even know why you would want to ask why the engineers wanted to destroy humans. Yet if a sequel comes up, I'm supposed to want to follow you on your journey without knowing why?
Then a whole scene where Shaw fights off two abled people and has all the time in the world to perform the surgery and they didn't even seem to bother to try and find her. Even Vickers, whom they tried to portray unconvincingly as a bitch seemed unawares that someone how used the room that was supposedly part of her inner sanctum that was hands off. It's a science vessel where seemingly people contaminate their environment and no one bothers to clean up.
I honestly like the captain. He was the only seemingly human person there. But tell me what was it the other two did that he couldn't handle by himself? They too somehow had a death wish (otherwise we're not bothered with an explanation) and leave the only two surviving crew members alone on an alien world.
I could go on and on. I just wished someone would make a great sci-fi, allow themselves to put limits on what's simply outrageous, and then from those limits creatively make something enjoyable, scary, inspiring. Then I'm not performing gymnastics in my head to enjoy it. So you liked it then? I feel like this happens every single time a new sci-fi film comes out. Did older movies really have plots that made perfect sense? You do have to suspend disbelief a little bit for there even to be a story in the first place. I mean you can destroy this plot in the first 10 seconds if you really wanted to. But to have a sci-fi film in the first place you have to suspend disbelief quite a bit. I do wanna chip in on one science thing though. They said the atmosphere has 21% oxygen, 71% nitrogen, some argon and 3% Co2 - therefore you can't breath? Surely that atmosphere would be breathable without their stupid water thingy. yeah.. I really don't get why it's supposedly unbreathable after 3 minutes either earth atmosphere: Argon doesn't necessarily hurt you, but it doesn't do anything to help you either, you can asphyxiate on it, mixed with 3% CO2, it's not completely unreasonable to believe that you'd be getting way too much CO2/Ar and not enough Oxygen after a few minutes.
100% correct. Moreover if you caught it, one of the scientists exclaims: "Breathing for over 3 minutes is akin to inhaling auto-exhaust for 3 minutes", implying that the air -- although similar to Earth's relatively clean air -- is less than ideal for breathing healthily.
On June 09 2012 21:49 Mordiford wrote:
David infecting Charlie leading to Shaw getting pregnant with an alien baby made no sense, he did it for shits and giggles. Following this, Shaw goes through one of the most fucked up and excruciating ordeals of her life after punching two doctors(one of whom you see later so apparently no one gave enough of a fuck to look for a crazy potentially contaminated lady on board) and then never mentions it to anyone and just suits up for another expedition. You'd think she'd have told someone, "Yeah, by the way I had an alien baby inside me and i had it cut out but it was alive so I purged it you may wanna go check on that. Oh and David is a dick".
Incorrect. David listened to Charlie. He inquired: "What would you do to see through your mission" -- to which Charlie replies: "Anything and everything". David, not being a human and lacking the ability to think on an empathetical level, calculates how to see through the mission. Unfortunately for Charlie's life this requires killing him in order to impregnate Shaw. David is not a dick -- he's incapable of being a dick. He's just a purely logical thing that is incapable of anything but shear logic. He is given a mission, and he will see it through to the end at all costs. Getting Shaw to host a creature was part of his plan to eventually be able to study the thing.
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I doubt anyone will read all of this. This movie was beyond fantastic. There are so many layers to it, it's simply spectacular. Anyone who doesn’t understand all of the symbolism and thematic elements involved is simply ignorant and wanted to see a shitty action movie.
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1
Oh and if there are scenes that don't make sense logically (like Shaw escaping) the answer is probably DELETED SCENES
Has no one ever watched the Theatrical vs the Directors cut of Aliens? The theatrical release makes NO SENSE! How the fuck did the colonists find that ship? What happened to Ripley’s daughter? What were all of those boxes that the marines salvaged from the APC? Oh wait, the director’s cut adds in all of those answers!
And before people call Ridley Scott a money grubbing asshole, he HAD to cut scenes out of the release, in order to get an appropriate rating, and also to make it watchable in a theater. Not many people like 3-hour movies....
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Just came back from a 2nd viewing. I was kind of surprised at how little the movie actually uses 3d. I took my glasses off in some scenes, and there was almost no visible difference.
On June 10 2012 00:40 Klipsys wrote:I doubt anyone will read all of this. This movie was beyond fantastic. There are so many layers to it, it's simply spectacular. Anyone who doesn’t understand all of the symbolism and thematic elements involved is simply ignorant and wanted to see a shitty action movie. http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1
it's been linked like five or more times already.. a few of those on this very page. It's an interesting take on the movie, and well sourced with quotes from Scott, etc. But I really, really hate the idea of Jesus being an engineer - or that Jesus is actually relevant at all. It's fine that faith is a part of Shaw's character, but extending that element beyond her is completely silly.
I really want to read the script before the rewrite...
On June 10 2012 00:40 Klipsys wrote:
And before people call Ridley Scott a money grubbing asshole, he HAD to cut scenes out of the release, in order to get an appropriate rating, and also to make it watchable in a theater. Not many people like 3-hour movies....
the appropriate rating of R?
And Scott is on record for saying he's happy with the cut and there's really no need for a "directors cut" in this case
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On June 10 2012 00:51 Quotidian wrote:Just came back from a 2nd viewing. I was kind of surprised at how little the movie actually uses 3d. I took my glasses off in some scenes, and there was almost no visible difference. Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 00:40 Klipsys wrote:I doubt anyone will read all of this. This movie was beyond fantastic. There are so many layers to it, it's simply spectacular. Anyone who doesn’t understand all of the symbolism and thematic elements involved is simply ignorant and wanted to see a shitty action movie. http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1 it's been linked like five or more times already.. a few of those on this very page. It's an interesting take on the movie, and well sourced with quotes from Scott, etc. But I really, really hate the idea of Jesus being an engineer - or that Jesus is actually relevant at all. It's fine that faith is a part of Shaw's character, but extending that element beyond her is completely silly. I really want to read the script before the rewrite... Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 00:40 Klipsys wrote:
And before people call Ridley Scott a money grubbing asshole, he HAD to cut scenes out of the release, in order to get an appropriate rating, and also to make it watchable in a theater. Not many people like 3-hour movies....
the appropriate rating of R? And Scott is on record for saying he's happy with the cut and there's really no need for a "directors cut" in this case
I'm not saying he will release one, but it's pretty obvious things had to be cut from this movie. And they will release it because 20th century fox isn't stupid. How can you not like the idea of Jesus being an alien? It's fucking brilliant when you think about it. Oh and, it's R in America, but some other countries are much more strict with content, like Aus and the UK.
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On June 10 2012 00:57 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 00:51 Quotidian wrote:Just came back from a 2nd viewing. I was kind of surprised at how little the movie actually uses 3d. I took my glasses off in some scenes, and there was almost no visible difference. On June 10 2012 00:40 Klipsys wrote:I doubt anyone will read all of this. This movie was beyond fantastic. There are so many layers to it, it's simply spectacular. Anyone who doesn’t understand all of the symbolism and thematic elements involved is simply ignorant and wanted to see a shitty action movie. http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1 it's been linked like five or more times already.. a few of those on this very page. It's an interesting take on the movie, and well sourced with quotes from Scott, etc. But I really, really hate the idea of Jesus being an engineer - or that Jesus is actually relevant at all. It's fine that faith is a part of Shaw's character, but extending that element beyond her is completely silly. I really want to read the script before the rewrite... On June 10 2012 00:40 Klipsys wrote:
And before people call Ridley Scott a money grubbing asshole, he HAD to cut scenes out of the release, in order to get an appropriate rating, and also to make it watchable in a theater. Not many people like 3-hour movies....
the appropriate rating of R? And Scott is on record for saying he's happy with the cut and there's really no need for a "directors cut" in this case I'm not saying he will release one, but it's pretty obvious things had to be cut from this movie. And they will release it because 20th century fox isn't stupid. How can you not like the idea of Jesus being an alien? It's fucking brilliant when you think about it. Oh and, it's R in America, but some other countries are much more strict with content, like Aus and the UK.
I actually just think it's a shitty script, and that's why parts of it feel disjointed. Fox officials have said that they would not force a rating, and it would get whatever rating it needed to get. Which was admirable of them. And if there was stuff cut because of getting the rating down, the effects work on those things will probably not even exist, so it won't be put in any extended cut. At best we'll get them in "extra scenes" dvd content..
I find the idea of "space jesus" completely fucking silly when I think about it.. maybe the fact that the christian jesus is based on several older, similar characters kind of speaks in favor of the idea, since engineers have supposedly been visiting again and again
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On June 09 2012 23:37 OutlaW- wrote:Want your mind blown? Warning: spoilers + Show Spoiler +http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1
Very good read.
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