EPTAncient Civilizations on Earth worshiped the "engineer" aliens as their creators, team of scientist set out to find these aliens. Discover that engineers now want to destroy human race.
[Movie] Prometheus - Page 31
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Blackspell
United States80 Posts
Now there were somethings that I thought were silly or unnecessary, but none of that seems to be enough to significantly bring down this film. I understand that opinions are opinions, but some of the more harsh criticism seems to be overdoing it just a tad bit. | ||
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NeonSky
United States46 Posts
On June 09 2012 14:51 Blackspell wrote: After hearing some early criticism for this movie, I went into the theater reserved and ready to pick it apart. After 20 minutes I was hooked. The movie was surreal. Micheal Fassbender as David was incredible and some of the sequences had me in awe. I don't understand what people mean by plot holes? Can someone let me know what those plot holes were? (In spoilers please for those who haven't seen it.) For me everything was pretty Straight forward: + Show Spoiler + Ancient Civilizations on Earth worshiped the "engineer" aliens as their creators, team of scientist set out to find these aliens. Discover that engineers now want to destroy human race. + Show Spoiler + Why did the engineers create mankind? Why did they then decide to destroy / infest mankind? Where did they get the specimens in the jars they were transporting, did they make them? If so, why? Why were they transporting the alien specimens in such large quantities? If they were meant to infest other worlds as well as ours, for what purpose? These are the questions that drove the actions of the characters and are most intriguing to the audience, yet none ever get answered because it's obviously a sequel tie in. This made the film disappointing for me given that it's supposed to stand on its own. | ||
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Blackspell
United States80 Posts
On June 09 2012 15:02 NeonSky wrote: + Show Spoiler + Why did the engineers create mankind? Why did they then decide to destroy / infest mankind? Where did they get the specimens in the jars they were transporting, did they make them? If so, why? Why were they transporting the alien specimens in such large quantities? If they were meant to infest other worlds as well as ours, for what purpose? These are the questions that drove the actions of the characters and are most intriguing to the audience, yet none ever get answered because it's obviously a sequel tie in. This made the film disappointing for me given that it's supposed to stand on its own. Ok well I feel like a couple of these questions can be answered just with a possible sequel. Some of those other so called "plot holes" are answerable. + Show Spoiler + 1. Does that matter? Also she set off in the end of the film to find out. (sequel) 2. Again, set off to find out. (sequel) 3. If they engineered humans, why couldn't they engineer those specimens? And those were what they were going to use to wipe out humanity. 4. Again they were using it as an "army" of sorts to wipe out humanity. 5. Were they? There was no mention in the film of infesting other worlds, or if there are even other worlds in the first place. And I think that what Scott meant by stand alone was that you could easily see this movie without seeing Alien or it's sequels. Not that he didn't intend on expanding on Prometheus with future films. | ||
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Blackspell
United States80 Posts
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iwearcapes
France157 Posts
i only notice one really critical error about the movie or maybe someone can proove me wrong but towards the end when they crash the ship into the other ship and shes running to the space escape pod her suit says " 30 seconds of air left" then she goes in their and not even 10 mins after shes back out in the same suit. with no air in it | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On June 09 2012 15:25 iwearcapes wrote: + Show Spoiler + i only notice one really critical error about the movie or maybe someone can proove me wrong but towards the end when they crash the ship into the other ship and shes running to the space escape pod her suit says " 30 seconds of air left" then she goes in their and not even 10 mins after shes back out in the same suit. with no air in it I thought she put on a new suit, one that was waiting in the airlock (makes sense that an escape pod would have one imo). | ||
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NeonSky
United States46 Posts
On June 09 2012 15:14 Blackspell wrote: Ok well I feel like a couple of these questions can be answered just with a possible sequel. Some of those other so called "plot holes" are answerable. + Show Spoiler + 1. Does that matter? Also she set off in the end of the film to find out. (sequel) 2. Again, set off to find out. (sequel) 3. If they engineered humans, why couldn't they engineer those specimens? And those were what they were going to use to wipe out humanity. 4. Again they were using it as an "army" of sorts to wipe out humanity. 5. Were they? There was no mention in the film of infesting other worlds, or if there are even other worlds in the first place. + Show Spoiler + 1. Yes, it does matter, it's the whole reason the characters set out on their expedition and is part of the main theme of Shaw's "faith". It is a key aspect of the film. Relying on a sequel to make the events in this film relevant and answer its questions isn't satisfactory, especially when they intended it to stand on its own. 2. Again, its bad writing to necessitate the sequel to reveal all of the resolutions. They could have atleast told us why they created mankind, and left the reason for our destruction for the next film, hell they could've answered any of the big questions I raised. As it stands, nothing is answered and essentially makes the events of this film irrelevant, the bigger plot questions don't matter without the context of the next. Again, this wouldn't be so bad if that was their original intent, but the creators have stated this film is supposed to work on its own. 3. Sure, they could have engineered them, but again, it's not answered clearly. The origin of the Alien creature was definitely one of the reasons why I and many others were intrigued by the movie, and it still has yet to be found. 4. Again, why do they want to wipe out humanity? 5. The other worlds thing was just speculation on my part, given that its only one outpost of the engineers and that star map was fucking huge, it could be a possibility that they were progenitors of life on other worlds. Not very important though, what I was really concerned with was their motivations, which are left unclear. | ||
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[RS]Fuchs
76 Posts
I want to watch the movie TT | ||
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Blackspell
United States80 Posts
On June 09 2012 15:27 NeonSky wrote: + Show Spoiler + 1. Yes, it does matter, it's the whole reason the characters set out on their expedition and is part of the main theme of Shaw's "faith". It is a key aspect of the film. Relying on a sequel to make the events in this film relevant and answer its questions isn't satisfactory, especially when they intended it to stand on its own. 2. Again, its bad writing to necessitate the sequel to leave all of the resolutions for the sequel. They could have atleast told us why they created mankind, and left the reason for our destruction for the next film. As it stands, nothing is answered and essentially makes the events of this film irrelevant since they don't matter without the context of the next. Again, this wouldn't be so bad if that was their original intent, but the creators have stated this film is supposed to work on its own. 3. Sure, they could have engineered them, but again, it's not answered clearly. The origin of the Alien creature definitely one of the reasons why I and many others were intrigued by the movie, and it still has yet to be found. 4. Again, why do they want to wipe out humanity? 5. The other worlds thing was just speculation on my part, what I was really concerned with was their motivations, which are left unclear. But what you and everyone else complaining about plot holes are essentially saying that if you go see a movie, you need to know everything or its not a good movie. Your own imagination is a great tool when you dissect a movie. Am I dumb for enjoying a movie that left me with questions? + Show Spoiler + As for needing to know why the Engineers created humanity, that in itself is such a hard point to argue, do you really want to know? Isn't that drive of why we are here on Earth and what the purpose of our lives are almost untouchable? Any direct answer to that question takes the mystique out of the film. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Up to that point, it had been excellent and the atmosphere was really well done. That was the point at which the movie could have offered answers, perhaps a flashback on how the biological weapon turned on the engineers, how they created humans, anything really... ...and instead he never said a word. They made the most important "character" to the whole movie's questions and turned him into just another monster to be killed. Also I don't believe in spoilers in these threads. People are erratic using them anyway, and they make conversations hard to follow. I feel like if you're stupid enough to check the later pages of this thread before you've seen it, it's your own fault. | ||
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Blackspell
United States80 Posts
On June 09 2012 15:38 Belisarius wrote: Having had a day or so to think about it, I've realised that the moment this movie fell apart is when the Engineer axes David. Up to that point, it had been excellent and the atmosphere was really well done. That was the point at which the movie could have offered answers, perhaps a flashback on how the biological weapon turned on the engineers, how they created humans, anything really... ...and instead he never said a word. They made the most important "character" to the whole movie's questions and turned him into just another monster to be killed. Also I don't believe in spoilers in these threads. People are erratic using them anyway, and they make conversations hard to follow. I feel like if you're stupid enough to check the later pages of this thread before you've seen it, it's your own fault. So you are saying that an Alien, who's race set out to destroy humanity, has to sit down with a group of humans to discuss why he wants to destroy them? | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
The first half of the movie is great, sets up some interesting characters and draws you in. The second half of the movie is an utter shit-show. I honestly didn't understand the point of half of what was going on. + Show Spoiler + Why the fuck did David try to infect Charlie in the first place? Why was he such a bizarre asshole and what was his plan in regards to impregnating Shaw? Why was that even in the movie? What the hell was going on there? And then she just stumbles onto the old man(which was a very weak "twist" by the way). Her being civil with David at the end of the movie also just seemed strange after everything that had happened. The about 3/4th of the way through the movie I desperately wanted it to just end. There was just so much setup for the film to just shit itself towards the second half. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On June 09 2012 15:42 Blackspell wrote: So you are saying that an Alien, who's race set out to destroy humanity, has to sit down with a group of humans to discuss why he wants to destroy them? Who knows? If I was him, and had been asleep for 2k years, and woke up to find that the race I'd last seen poking each other with sticks was now standing right next to me, having worked out how to find my planet, operate my technology and even attempt to speak to me... it's perfectly reasonable to expect me to do something other than punch them in the face, at least for a couple of minutes. It certainly would have been a lot more interesting. | ||
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NeonSky
United States46 Posts
But what you and everyone else complaining about plot holes are essentially saying that if you go see a movie, you need to know everything or its not a good movie. Your own imagination is a great tool when you dissect a movie. Am I dumb for enjoying a movie that left me with questions? + Show Spoiler + As for needing to know why the Engineers created humanity, that in itself is such a hard point to argue, do you really want to know? Isn't that drive of why we are here on Earth and what the purpose of our lives are almost untouchable? Any direct answer to that question takes the mystique out of the film. Leaving certain aspects of the film to interpretation is fine. Leaving everything up to interpretation or to the sequel, especially when the movie is about the search for answers and exploration, is disappointing and simply too unclear. The survival aspect of the film was tense, but it doesn't stand up as well as the original alien since these unresolved questions make up the drive of the characters and because we invest a lot of our interest as an audience into figuring them out. Also, having them attack David and the others on site was underwhelming, we've been lead to believe these aliens are beings of great knowledge and advancement, yet any reason for his malevolence is completely bypassed. This worked in Alien because the creature served as simply a representation of emotional states of claustrophobia, terror, and the dangerous nature of the unknown; it wasn't something that had a plan or feelings beyond instinct. Here it doesn't work since we know there's advanced motivations and thought at play, yet are never revealed. It makes for a bad and conflicted portrait of a villain. | ||
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Blackspell
United States80 Posts
On June 09 2012 15:47 Belisarius wrote: Who knows? If I was him, and had been asleep for 2k years, and woke up to find that the race I'd last seen poking each other with sticks was now standing right next to me, having worked out how to find my planet, operate my technology and even attempt to speak to me... it's perfectly reasonable to expect me to do something other than punch them in the face, at least for a couple of minutes. It certainly would have been a lot more interesting. Ok well to play devils advocate, If I were an alien who was set out to destroy the human race and woke up to a group of humans who were asking questions on my ship who managed to do all that you just said, who's to say it wasn't threating to me in a "you don't belong here you shouldn't have seen or known any of this" and I respond in hostility? | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On June 09 2012 15:02 NeonSky wrote: + Show Spoiler + Why did the engineers create mankind? Why did they then decide to destroy / infest mankind? Where did they get the specimens in the jars they were transporting, did they make them? If so, why? Why were they transporting the alien specimens in such large quantities? If they were meant to infest other worlds as well as ours, for what purpose? These are the questions that drove the actions of the characters and are most intriguing to the audience, yet none ever get answered because it's obviously a sequel tie in. This made the film disappointing for me given that it's supposed to stand on its own. Q: Why did the engineers create mankind? I feel like that's the whole point/morale of the story - Why were we created? What is our purpose? This point is made very clear with the discussions the Robot-man has with one of the crew members. "Why did mankind create me?" - "Because we could." - "Wouldn't you be disappointed if your own creators/engineers gave you the same answer?". The point, to me at least is that it is not our defined purpose that is the meaning of life, it is the strive towards that answer, not the answer itself that defines our purpose... Ending dialogue supports this as well, when faced with the desire of the engineers to kill humans, it is simply not accepted "I'm still chasing..." Im not sure my english is good enough to explain, hope you get the point. Q: Why did the engineers decide to destroy/infest mankind? Maybe that was the reason for our creation in the first place, to be lab rats in their experiments with creating the parasites/aliens. Again we do not know for absolute certain, if we knew, what would be the point of continuing the chase for answers? Q: Where did they get the specimens in the jars they were transporting, did they make them? If so, why? Again, there could be thousands of explanations to as to why they created these aliens/specimens; the most obvious one would be: because they could. Q: Why were they transporting the alien specimens in such large quantities? Possibly to be used in some kind of biological warfare perhaps? Who knows, what do you think? Q: If they were meant to infest other worlds as well as ours, for what purpose? They are an enigmatic race that is equal to gods compared to us, if you were given all the answers, there would be no point to the story/morale. To end that up, I hope that they do not make a sequel to answer these questions. It is holes that you are supposed to fill out yourself and think about. If you are given every piece of information, the movie would just be another flat sci-fi movie like Transformers (I still like those movies, but they are not exactly made for making you think about stuff). I think it's a shame that you blame your own lack of immersion and thinking on bad directing/writing. The story did have (to me) a very clear point to it and the holes that remain are the the point of the story. To apply the morale of the film to this argument, it is not the answers that defines us, it is the questions. I hope that made sense to anyone other than me | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On June 09 2012 15:51 Blackspell wrote: Ok well to play devils advocate, If I were an alien who was set out to destroy the human race and woke up to a group of humans who were asking questions on my ship who managed to do all that you just said, who's to say it wasn't threating to me in a "you don't belong here you shouldn't have seen or known any of this" and I respond in hostility? ..sorry, what? Regardless, the point isn't that I thought it was unrealistic for him to attack them. Perhaps he's just a dumb soldier and it's perfectly natural for him to carry out his last mission, especially in light of the fact that humans have evidently become poweful enough to reach him. But there's a difference between an actual plot hole and a simply uninteresting resolution. I'm not saying this is a plot hole (although I can point to plenty of others). What I am saying (as is Neonsky, I think) is that it was a disappointing way to end the film when it started with such promise, especially when there were myriad of other plausible ways it could have gone. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
That film...was great don't get me wrong. But seriously this film was just a huge shit-fest of 1000 different things going on with no resolution on anything. The whole point of the movie was showing where the xenomorphs came from and honestly they answered that in just like 3-4 minutes over 3 hours. Liked it, I understood it but...Yeah I left with alot more questions that the movie posed itself than what I went in with. 6/10. (For the record, I understood everything going on but I felt cheated at the end) | ||
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NeonSky
United States46 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Q: Why did the engineers create mankind? I feel like that's the whole point/morale of the story - Why were we created? What is our purpose? This point is made very clear with the discussions the Robot-man has with one of the crew members. "Why did mankind create me?" - "Because we could." - "Wouldn't you be disappointed if your own creators/engineers gave you the same answer?". The point, to me at least is that it is not our defined purpose that is the meaning of life, it is the strive towards that answer, not the answer itself that defines our purpose... Ending dialogue supports this as well, when faced with the desire of the engineers to kill humans, it is simply not accepted "I'm still chasing..." Im not sure my english is good enough to explain, hope you get the point. Q: Why did the engineers decide to destroy/infest mankind? Maybe that was the reason for our creation in the first place, to be lab rats in their experiments with creating the parasites/aliens. Again we do not know for absolute certain, if we knew, what would be the point of continuing the chase for answers? Q: Where did they get the specimens in the jars they were transporting, did they make them? If so, why? Again, there could be thousands of explanations to as to why they created these aliens/specimens; the most obvious one would be: because they could. Q: Why were they transporting the alien specimens in such large quantities? Possibly to be used in some kind of biological warfare perhaps? Who knows, what do you think? Q: If they were meant to infest other worlds as well as ours, for what purpose? They are an enigmatic race that is equal to gods compared to us, if you were given all the answers, there would be no point to the story/morale. To end that up, I hope that they do not make a sequel to answer these questions. It is holes that you are supposed to fill out yourself and think about. If you are given every piece of information, the movie would just be another flat sci-fi movie like Transformers (I still like those movies, but they are not exactly made for making you think about stuff). I think it's a shame that you blame your own lack of immersion and thinking on bad directing/writing. The story did have (to me) a very clear point to it and the holes that remain are the the point of the story. To apply the morale of the film to this argument, it is not the answers that defines us, it is the questions. I hope that made sense to anyone other than me Sure, I can accept what you're saying. I'm sorry you have to devalue my critique to "a lack of imagination", but there's so little information presented, not even answers or hard fact here, just anything about their culture or race, that you go from interpretation to pure speculation, to be honest there simply isn't a lot of immersion beyond the visual. I honestly couldn't feel confident in anything I come up with because there's almost nothing to go on. I don't demand everything be answered, but I would like some more substance to the whole thing. And it's not to say I didn't enjoy the film, I had a good time watching it, I just felt let down in terms of lasting aspects for me to think about or praise. | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
I liked the Alien's reaction because it wasn't what the characters - or the audience - expected. Sometimes Aliens don't act like humans and explain the meaning of life (deus ex machina). Sometimes you have to figure it out for yourself... | ||
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