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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
##Vote: Erandorr | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I wouldn't mind lynching any of the 3 since they are all useless. ##Vote Risk (also i feel bad for erandorr being lynched on his birthday  ) | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I agree with you syllo. thats why i looked at the top 3 guys to try to find the best one to lynch. In my opinion thats risk. His first post seemed rehearsed and his "case" on bluelightz made no sense. Playing carefree is a town trait. He don't want to lynch palmar because he is palmar (wat?). That a horrible reason to not lynch someone and not something we need further down the line. Later he claims that he is leaning red on palmar... You think he is scum and you won't lynch him? His defence so far have been almost nothing: On January 07 2012 11:00 risk.nuke wrote: Slowly and steadily I'm beeing raised to the top, scumagenda *cough* | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
If you want reasons to lynch risk/Erandorr, people have been doing a good job on repeating the same reasons over and over again. | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
On January 07 2012 22:55 Bluelightz wrote: blablablabla Okay, so you list all my post, and then do not even try to make a case. Quoting all my post commenting them with a single word is not a case. People that know how to click on my filter button did not learn anything by looking at your "case" against me. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On January 08 2012 01:06 Tyrran wrote: Okay, so you list all my post, and then do not even try to make a case. Quoting all my post commenting them with a single word is not a case. People that know how to click on my filter button did not learn anything by looking at your "case" against me. Even if BL's case isn't good you need to answer syllo's question. Why do you agree with the Palmar case but criticize jackal for being agressive towards Palmar when there is "no real case behind it." Also the Erandorr case is based off of him having a meta for lurking as scum. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
risk.nuke: Having filtered risk.nukes past games I feel that there are A few general traits that he displays as town: -He often posts very little day 1 (<1 page) -He is very aggressive and pushes people on mistakes -He quotes people a lot and makes accusations -He is confident and assertive in offering his own opinion -He is a bit rude This game he: -Has posted very little (<1 page) -Has been aggressive against syllogism, who voted for him -Has made a few accusations (but not followed them up) -Has been confident but avoided offering a unique opinion -Has been a bit rude Furthermore he has: -Promised content -Made excuses Posts: This post is extremely out of place, i have not found a single post similar to this one from a day1 town risk.nuke: On January 06 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote: I don't like people posting who they think are town exept when It's in the defense of someone who looks like they are getting lynched. Our job is to find scum. If you think someone is town, you tell them you get a nullread on them or better don't talk about it at all. Belive me bluelightz when I say I don't like a post with a few townreads and no scumreads one bit. There are plenty of reasons why we shouldn't talk about our townreads. It makes it easier for scum to kill our strongest townreads. It makes it harder to discover the motive behind a kill. A scum who belives he is viewed as town won't feel as much pressure. A townie who belives he has confirmed himself might get a bit full of himself and play less optimal. Bluelightz Bluelightz is playing without a worry in the world. The nature of most of his posts seems completely carefree. When a townie is confronted with suspicious imo they get nervous and tries to find where they messed up and try to explain it. Bluelightz just shrugs it of. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 21:36 Bluelightz wrote: Okay here's the continuation of my reads Errandor, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me and discussing about the lurkers in this game. HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers Jackal58, Null: 2 posts since the start of the game cannot determine alignment. Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content. Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself. RebirthOfLeGenD, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment. Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers,etc risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others. Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy Okay I'm done if you have a question about my reads go for it  !Now, I have many town reads because this is day 1 and also people haven't posted much(including me) So, here it is! + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 05:08 Bluelightz wrote: First, I don't like the idea of lynching lurkers because more or less it justs waste's us a townie and Next, I think the people that are not posting should be chec Lastly, I don't have a scummy read on anyone yet. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker. On January 05 2012 14:27 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, ill just give my thoughts on LA-Lurkers First, I don't think that lynching lurkers benefit town in any way. Usually it results in a townie lynched(BByte lynch in student mafia as an example) Also, Here's the list of people I want posting xsksc Cwave risk.nuke Errandor That is all. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker. On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Wants to lynch a lurker. While his response could seem understandable because he did say he'd like to lynch a lurker in lack of better options. But then there is this On January 05 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote: At this point, I would wait if xsk starts posting, risk.nuke too. But if they don't i'm all ears for lynching them I would lynch RoL right now because he hasn't posted anything when I searched for RoL post's in the thread I haven't found any post's by him He is clearly quite fond of the idea of lynching lurkers. Going back again to when Palmar asked him who he would like to kill. His initial response was catastrophic. He said "an unspecific lurker" and avoided the pressure of the question. He changes his mind and he changes his target to RoL but on a very weak basis. Conclusion: He plays carefree, doesn't seem to giving things more then a brief thought before having an opinion which leads to him often changing his mind. Not traits that strikes me as townish in a complicated mafia game. Refallen What I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town.+ Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 16:52 Refallen wrote: Finally started! Hype! My first thoughts on the setup; Obviously, I think the best way to go about this game is to focus on killing angels in the early game. Once we get rid of the acolyte, the seer has an infinitely easier job in cleansing corruption because we can actually claim if we got corrupted and not get targetted right now as we get closer to the late game lynching demons obviously becomes more and more important, but town would have a huge benefit if we can reduce angel KP early on in the game, as this has a building effect of letting more townies live = demon corrupt has less of an impact. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 10:22 Refallen wrote: Alright, I just woke up, first thoughts: Why is everyone tunneling the lurkish newbie? He is sooooo likely to flip town instead of scum. Just look at Election Mafia, and XLVIII. In almost every case, the lurking newbie simply turns out to be just that, a newbie, which explains his low-posting. We definitely do not want to be wasting a lynch on him. This is never a good idea. Even a town who is completely non-contributing serves as an extra KP before LYLO, and for most newbie towns, they will be sheeping the case which most people are already on, in effect letting town have an extra vote. We should never ever ever kill town "because he's useless at it". I'm not sure what you're going on about having a solid case. How does one make a solid case on someone who has 3 posts and told us they're going afk for a bit on the very first day of the game? For now, I don't have a lynch target. I want Palmar to start posting. Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown? The rest of the post is... "fluff" "I don't have a lynch target" "I Want palmar to start posting" + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 02:23 Refallen wrote: Think this makes me 3/3 of me being discussed as lynching on day 1 as a townie, my play sure is good /sarcasm. Honestly though, was at a friends birthday party, just got home, about to sleep. Syllo, and others, I don't see how showing angels were a bigger threat than demons would paint me as anti-town. Keep in mind that the context of the post when it was made; all of us were discussing the setup (mainly because it was start of day 1 and it served as a topic of discussion.) Obviously the point about us not being able to tell who was demon/angel makes the whole discussion basically practically useless, but it provided a topic for us to start talking about the game (if you want useless posts, see palmars kite claim) With that said, I'll be reading through the thread tomorrow and posting who I think are suspicious. Right now at least my previous suspicion of Palmar has been assuaged at him posting and being his usual bullying town self. Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him. xsksc xsksc and the meta. What is xsksc up to? I might be wrong but this doesn't feel like the townie xsksc I am used to. At this point in the game there are still a number of barely-posters and discussion has not really been serious. In his next post risk.nuke even states there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them Given that this is the case this post is a very safe post to make, he doesn't need to come to any hard conclusions but it does make him appear to be contributing to the discussion topics at the time. This post is easy to make from either perspective but it is more useful for scum who doesn't wish to contribute but would like to appear to. Given his comments about refallen it seem reasonable for risk.nuke to pressure or make a case against him, but it seems like risk just completely forgets later on. He plays carefree, doesn't seem to giving things more then a brief thought before having an opinion which leads to him often changing his mind. Not traits that strikes me as townish in a complicated mafia game HoD already pointed out that these are typically townie traits, so i am left to infer that the "complicated" setup is what in your view makes it un-town-like? It seems to me that you are trying to mislead people. @risk.nuke please explain why exactly you felt that those traits do not stike you as townlike? because here you responded to HoD but it is almost entirely meaningless crap On January 06 2012 05:39 risk.nuke wrote: It depends. If you are having a single one or two people accusing you, you get annoyed. Like I am now now with syllo. Or example in steamship prplhz tried to get me lynched on a bad case. I got annoyed. Then there are situations where you have a majority of people looking suspiciously at you. You've likely messed up and done something to justify their suspicions but you need to defend yourself. If you mess up town mislynch you. There is a situation I would be nervous in. You talk about the number of people accusing you if you are town, you say that if you are town and in your situation then you should react the way that you did, by getting annoyed. You back it up by saying that you got annoyed before when you were town. You then say that when a number of people pressure you because you have made a mistake then you need to defend youself, but that if you have messed up that town should lynch you and it would be your fault. You say that if you had messed up and were under pressure you were be nervous. None of that answer the actually question. It simply serves to try to paint you as town-like, and if it relates to BL at all then it is to imply that he messed up that town should kill him and lays ground for a potential mislynch. All of those purposes seem scummy to me. On January 06 2012 04:18 risk.nuke wrote: syllo, I started the post about 2 hours ago. I share what I want to share when I want to share it. Don't try and control me and please don't try to meta me. All my games I have a different style because I play varying of my mood. He speaks out against syllogism trying to meta him, i think syllo already explained why this is scummy here (clicky). On January 06 2012 04:56 risk.nuke wrote: Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me. Blazinghand quit floating around and write something helpfull yourself. Here he attacks syllogism for calling him out on his actions. As town risk.nuke typically calls people out for actions he disapproves of yet in this game when syllogism does it "There is nothing pro town about calling him out?" Perhaps risk.nuke believes his usual town play is anti-town? He says that he had an agenda to "see who would comment on his last post what they would say and who would push to lynch those players", this really doesn't seem like a big plan that syllogism had ruined and having a secret agenda that you expect players players like syllogism to pick up on but not comment on so as to allow you to carry out that agenda seems highly anti-town. Town players shouldn't have anything to hide (except a blue roles) and this "ruined agenda" seems very un-town-like Why isn't risk.nuke being his more open self? On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote: I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing. Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1.+ Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote: Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary. This is just fearmongering. @Refallen, it is a townie priority to look town. But what you're doing is not that. You're writing useless posts hoping on a brief glance they will make it look as you're contributing. And when most of your posts are like that I get suspicious. There is nothing wrong or scummy with anyone of your posts. But they are all very easy to make as a scum. And I have not made a case yet, if you think what I wrote on you and bluelightz are cases I promise you this. When I make a case it will have a conclusion that says this guy is scum and we should lynch his arse. Next he opposes a palmar lynch without adressing the reasons for a palmar lynch. To some people this is a fair argument and to others it is very poor ground for not lynching a player. He does however make a good point about Jackal fearmogering,- the type of point i would expect risk.nuke to make. He then re-surmises what he has said about refallen, says then refallen is still acting the same way that makes him scummy. From here-on in he does not mention accuse refallen of anything. On January 06 2012 12:51 risk.nuke wrote: I'm not reading anything that long tonight, it's 5 am and I'm only up because sweden are fucking bosses at hockey!! excuse On January 07 2012 04:24 risk.nuke wrote: The thread have really come to a stop since yesterday. I'll write my opinion on who to lynch tonight when I have time to review. You may or may not look forward to it. I don't know if it will be "mindblowing" or "meh". promises content. Last part is non-committal which might allow for him to provide little. On January 07 2012 08:40 risk.nuke wrote: Got bussy writing the daypost for newbie mafia. I'm here now. legitimate excuse for activity, but because he is here hopefully he can deliver that mind blowing content, right? On January 07 2012 09:04 risk.nuke wrote: Erandorr is very likely scum. Simply because a non-posting Erandorr is a red Erandorr. Jackal58 is another person who would likely bleed red. The first thing he does is attack palmar and keeps at it using tunneling and fearmongering, while I am also slightly leaning red on palmar I don't think Jackal would hit him this hard if Jackal was town-aligned, he's just trying to get rid of palmar any means neccersary. He justifys it by saying he always attack palmar day 1 but I think this is just an excuse. He takes a break from his Palmar tunneling to rightfully rage alittle on people listing no-reads but it doesn't mean anything and he haven't contributed anything himself exept tunneling palmar. He Provides little! (the scummy option) He calls Erandorr scum but does not provide enough to support a vote or lynch. He presents the beginnings of a case against Jackal, he may have some points that he could further push. But Jackal is one of the 7/18 player so far to not receive a vote. When there are a number of candidates already being discussed why would you present 1 paragraph about a player being scummy and pick a player that, at the time was in absolutely no danger of being lynched? Perhaps he wants to spilt the vote or try to get a no-lynch. When serious discussion about who to lynch had began risk pipes in to sheep a case and maybe start a case. He does not follow either case up and he does not vote. This does not make sense if he truly feels like Jackal is the best lynch and he is town, or if he feels that jumping on Erandorr will kill scum. On January 07 2012 09:15 risk.nuke wrote: Blazinghand what are you on about? Asks a question, not a contribution. On January 07 2012 11:00 risk.nuke wrote: Slowly and steadily I'm beeing raised to the top, scumagenda *cough* His response to votes is a one line joking comment that scum are voting for him. Earlier he had stated how he as town would respond by getting annoyed or by defending himself. risk.nuke not doing what he said he would do ask town ===> risk.nuke is scum? risk.nuke currently the only thing that might make me think you aren't scum is when you make your case because: On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote: You also admit that what you wrote about refallen and bluelightz had very little value in it. And that was most of the substance in your posts so far...And I have not made a case yet, if you think what I wrote on you and bluelightz are cases I promise you this. When I make a case it will have a conclusion that says this guy is scum and we should lynch his arse. Conclusion: risk.nuke's play does not math the town risk.nuke you may have come to know and love. He was willing to offer thoughts at the start when doing so was not useful and when it was easy for scum to do so. He has made excuses and promised content. He has yet to deliver that content. He has not been aggressive in calling people out as he has previuosly and has criticised syllogism for calling him out. He avoided has provided a very fluffy answer to HoD's question. He has contradicted his own declarations of good town play. He has avoided making any serious contributions now that we actuaaly have to decide who we are lynching. He has not made an effort to defend himself, but has called everybody voting for him scum. Vote risk.nuke filters in past games: Election mafia (town) Tl Mafia XLVII (town) Steamship (Tl mafia 46) (town) Newbie mini mafia (town)+ nice hotbid post TL Mafia XLV (town) almost no posts day1 | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
I will be on my way to my birthday party soon and killing people who are town on their birthday is just rude, isn't it? I realize that I am being an asshole right now for not posting, but I seriously don't have time right now. And yes what makes me more of an asshole is that I was , as Syllo correctly stated, playing Dota instead of bothering to post in the days before. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On January 08 2012 03:40 Palmar wrote: Cause atm I feel much better killing you than Erandorr. That should help -___- | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
I think it's scummy how defensive he is became after some pressure from syllo at the start and the fact that he has not given us leads or really defended himself but instead tries to accuse people attacking him as scum. On January 07 2012 11:00 risk.nuke wrote: Slowly and steadily I'm beeing raised to the top, scumagenda *cough* This quote just gracks me up because he said it during a time when he only had 2 votes on him. I'd like to give him at least a few more hours before hammering to give him a chance to come back into the thread and give us his ideas while he still can. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
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