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On October 30 2010 16:11 Sobba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 16:03 cablesc wrote:
There's a lot of misinformation still over this issue.
There are two separate tournaments. The S-class and the A-class will not play against each other. The S-class tournament is a 32 player tournament that will be the top tournament with the higher profile, prestige, and presumably prize pool.
The A-class tournament is a 64 player tournament that is the lessor tournament in terms of attention and probably prize money. It's similar to what happens in college basketball in the US. There's a top tournament (NCAA's) and a secondary tournament (NIT).
In order to keep things fresh and allow players improve their standings, after every GSL there will be a qualifying round to promote/demote players. The bottom S-class players will play against the top A-class players for a spot in the S-league. The bottom A-class players will play against the top 32 in battlenet for a spot in the A-league.
Hope this clears things up. Ye thats how i understood it. But i think this sucks.. it will be almost impossible for any foreigners now to make a namn for themselfs unless they go to GSL 3.
If they are good enough they will do well in the KR ladder, which will get them invited to qualify for Code A, if they are truly better than those in the Code A league, it wouldn't be long for them to get invited to qualify into the Code S league.
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On October 30 2010 16:23 Rikstah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 16:11 Sobba wrote:On October 30 2010 16:03 cablesc wrote:
There's a lot of misinformation still over this issue.
There are two separate tournaments. The S-class and the A-class will not play against each other. The S-class tournament is a 32 player tournament that will be the top tournament with the higher profile, prestige, and presumably prize pool.
The A-class tournament is a 64 player tournament that is the lessor tournament in terms of attention and probably prize money. It's similar to what happens in college basketball in the US. There's a top tournament (NCAA's) and a secondary tournament (NIT).
In order to keep things fresh and allow players improve their standings, after every GSL there will be a qualifying round to promote/demote players. The bottom S-class players will play against the top A-class players for a spot in the S-league. The bottom A-class players will play against the top 32 in battlenet for a spot in the A-league.
Hope this clears things up. Ye thats how i understood it. But i think this sucks.. it will be almost impossible for any foreigners now to make a namn for themselfs unless they go to GSL 3. If they are good enough they will do well in the KR ladder, which will get them invited to qualify for Code A, if they are truly better than those in the Code A league, it wouldn't be long for them to get invited to qualify into the Code S league.
Not really. Many of the top players don't have good ladder ranks. They have good ladder winning percentages but top 32 ladder players is more a function of games played rather than skill.
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the term S-Class was introduced by Mercedez. they produced a series of vehicles that has a more powerful engine than normal cars. however, these cars require higher grade of gasoline. to let their customers know that normal gasoline should NOT be used, they designated these vehicles Sonderklasse, meaning Special Class and shortened to S-Class.
eventually S-Class vehicles became synonymous with the best performance class of cars and eventually used to describe top class of performing ppl.
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On October 30 2010 16:11 Sobba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 16:03 cablesc wrote:
There's a lot of misinformation still over this issue.
There are two separate tournaments. The S-class and the A-class will not play against each other. The S-class tournament is a 32 player tournament that will be the top tournament with the higher profile, prestige, and presumably prize pool.
The A-class tournament is a 64 player tournament that is the lessor tournament in terms of attention and probably prize money. It's similar to what happens in college basketball in the US. There's a top tournament (NCAA's) and a secondary tournament (NIT).
In order to keep things fresh and allow players improve their standings, after every GSL there will be a qualifying round to promote/demote players. The bottom S-class players will play against the top A-class players for a spot in the S-league. The bottom A-class players will play against the top 32 in battlenet for a spot in the A-league.
Hope this clears things up. Ye thats how i understood it. But i think this sucks.. it will be almost impossible for any foreigners now to make a namn for themselfs unless they go to GSL 3.
There are foreigners in both. Don't worry.
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On October 30 2010 16:11 Sobba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 16:03 cablesc wrote:
There's a lot of misinformation still over this issue.
There are two separate tournaments. The S-class and the A-class will not play against each other. The S-class tournament is a 32 player tournament that will be the top tournament with the higher profile, prestige, and presumably prize pool.
The A-class tournament is a 64 player tournament that is the lessor tournament in terms of attention and probably prize money. It's similar to what happens in college basketball in the US. There's a top tournament (NCAA's) and a secondary tournament (NIT).
In order to keep things fresh and allow players improve their standings, after every GSL there will be a qualifying round to promote/demote players. The bottom S-class players will play against the top A-class players for a spot in the S-league. The bottom A-class players will play against the top 32 in battlenet for a spot in the A-league.
Hope this clears things up. Ye thats how i understood it. But i think this sucks.. it will be almost impossible for any foreigners now to make a namn for themselfs unless they go to GSL 3.
Yes but there are other tournaments besides the GSL tournaments:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496
There will be 12 tournaments throughout 2011, and there will be 4 types of tournaments.
1. GSL (Ran in January, March, April, July and September) - Main League. 32 Code S players tournament and 64 Code A players tournament.
2. World Championship (Ran in June and October) - 4 representative from each region in a 16 man tournament.
3. Ladder Tournament (Ran in February, May, August and November) - Tournament to decide best of Battle.Net ladder. Top 200 from each region are invited to participate in a preliminary for a 16 man double elimination tournament.
4. Blizzard Cup (Ran in December) - Top 8 (of GSL ranking I'm guessing?) will be invited to decide the best player of the year in a Bo5 Playoff format tournament.
Between the World Championships and the Ladder tournaments, foreign players will get 6 chances a year to get into a major tournament aside from the GSL's.
Also according to the interview with the Gretech e-sports director, it's possible to make the Blizzard Cup even if you're not a part of the GSL, if you perform in the ladder tournaments:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142000
- Cooperating with Blizzard will also be very important.
▲ We already negotiated with Blizzard. We run a tournament every month, and a ladder tournament ran by Blizzard is included. Blizzard plans on running a ladder tournament about four times a year, and that's included in GSL. The King of Kings Tournament in December is also named "Blizzard Cup." Blizzard also thinks that StarCraft II needs to become an e-sport in order for the game to succeed, so they are cooperating very well. The tournaments throughout the year assign points to each of the players, and those points determine who gets to play in the Blizzard Cup. The ladder tournaments give points the same way as GSL tournaments. For example, even if you never play in GSL, you may be able to play in the Blizzard Cup if you consistently place in the top of the ladder tournaments.
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On October 30 2010 16:31 dybydx wrote:
the term S-Class was introduced by Mercedez. they produced a series of vehicles that has a more powerful engine than normal cars. however, these cars require higher grade of gasoline. to let their customers know that normal gasoline should NOT be used, they designated these vehicles Sonderklasse, meaning Special Class and shortened to S-Class.
eventually S-Class vehicles became synonymous with the best performance class of cars and eventually used to describe top class of performing ppl.
The origin of the term "S-class" is debatable. While Mercedes may be historically amongst the first to use that term as a method of distinction, the popularization of the term "S-class" can only be contributed to Japanese culture, or more specifically, manga. The term "S-class" is frequently used to mark characters with high combat abilities. For example, in the popular manga "YuYu Hakusho" which was released in 1990, S-class is utilized in such a fashion. Other more recent manga that may come to mind include Naruto (released in 1999), Fairytail, etc.
As such, the term is also brought into the gaming culture due to the target groups of either entertainment sectors are the adolescent group and those in early 20s. S-class became the word of choice to describe players who are "one level higher" than just being good.
In the GSL, "Class-S" carries a different meaning. That classification is assigned to the top 32 players in the three GSL tournaments. Those who finished in top 8 of each tournament would be automatically considered "S". The remaining spots will be distributed in accordance to overall performance throughout the three tournaments. As such, even if Idra does not finish top 8 in GSL3, he is still very likely to receive a "Class-S", the same applies to TLO. "Class-A" will be assigned to the other 64 players who exhibited lower level of performance. The purpose of the seeding system behind Class A and S has already been explained thoroughly by previous posts.
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As of right now with HopeTorture being the only player to make the quarterfinals in each season there are 17 Code - S slots to be awarded. A minimum of 9 of these slots will be wild cards after GSL 3. Now granted anything can happen, but having looked at the finishes IdrA is likely to have already qualified for S-Class. By my calculations he currently stands tied for second among the wild cards.
If the classes were decided today, I believe TLO would make it on the basis of qualifying for each tournament, but he's on the bubble. It could come down to how GOM breaks ties. A qualification for GSL 3 should put him close, a win in the Ro64 should secure it.
Now these assumptions are totally taken without GOM releasing how many points they're giving people based on their finishes. I'm flying a little blind, but still trying to get them to tell me.  Even a points total we could reverse engineer.
What I really like about this three tournament system is that if you're a player that can only manage to make it into one tournament for whatever reason, by going deep you can still get your ticket to the main league. It also rewards consistently qualifying. What this system allows GOM to do is build off the popularity of people that make the Quarters and still get name recognition for those we've seen over and over again in the early rounds, like TLO.
As you can tell, I'm the sort of person that loves a good relegation/promotion battle in football leagues. For some reason I find that race to be fascinating.
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good post ey, I'd love to see TLO make it into Code S, I think if he makes it into GSL 3 again he should.. especially if he gets to the Ro32, if he doesn't he should be hopefully high Code A and be able to fight his way into code S quickly!
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Will S have to qualify through the 2011 GSL tournaments? If so will there be open spots for random no names to goto Korea and give it a shot still?
Edit,
Sorry about the bump >_<
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This refers back to Brood War. An S class player was a player that was above A level, and could only be challenged by fellow S class players. Two examples would be Jaedong and Flash
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S-class came from YuYu Hakusho 
S classes are the highest class (the pinnacle of power). They are so strong that even a "low" S class' strength could completely devastate Earth. In Demon World, they are rare; with only about 20 ever known. It is extremely rare for even a A class achieve this level, while a strong A class was noted to start to get close and that would achieve upper S in less than 2 years. A single S class is strong enough to defeat a horde of five-hundred upper A classes by themselves with relatively little effort. Sensui's full power was said to be at this level, as was Yusuke's when he came back to life as a demon.
http://yuyuhakusho.wikia.com/wiki/Demon_Classes
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Guys he doesn't mean what's the dictionary definition of it, he means what does it mean in relation to GSL, and it's been answered.
@ Zero, players can still move up the ranks from not in the league, to A class to S class.
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It doesn't come from Yuyu Hakusho (great manga by the way  )
Traditionnally, in japanese rpgs as well as mangas, S is a level beyond A.
You can see an example of that in saga frontier 2 @ ps1 where when you finish the game you can replay and try to achieve rank S.
It stood for "Shihan" (master), or maybe "tenSai" (genie)
Korean have the word Chunjae for genie so I think they took that ranking system from Japan.
Some Japanese Universities use S rank system as well : http://www.mi.sanno.ac.jp/station/sac/result.html
Hope to have helped you with that =)
As lot of posters, to illustrate this quite simple, A = Top players and S = Players who have very high win percentage against top players (like Flash, Jaedong).
Some people could say S is made for Savior, he never lost, only did it on purpose :D /joke , just trolling ^^
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That really clears things up. Thanks!
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S = Superior aka Gosu. Originally from Japanese Anime I believe
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On October 30 2010 13:25 Belligerent wrote:
In monster rancher, it was better than A
You just reminded me how much I miss that game...
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I think the Mercedes theory is the best one submitted so far. People were using "S-class" in reference to the cars in the 1920s which is 70 years before any lame anime reference people have pointed out.
It seems likely that the Mercedes classification took hold in Japan during WW2 when the German cars could have been supplied by Germany, or Mercedes-Benz built equipment could have came with the Americans. I'm not sure about the history of Mercedes-Benz and WW2 though.
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On November 17 2010 01:05 Dental Floss wrote:
I think the Mercedes theory is the best one submitted so far. People were using "S-class" in reference to the cars in the 1920s which is 70 years before any lame anime reference people have pointed out. Yeah, this thread took a nosedive into some pretty terrible territory.
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Yup, it turns out in fact that Emperor Hirohito drove a Mercedes-Benz 770 limo during and before WW2, and the Mercedes limo series was the car of choice for state officials througout the 30s when the S-class term was being coined to describe their highest end models.
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On November 16 2010 14:51 ZerOsAndOnEs wrote:
Will S have to qualify through the 2011 GSL tournaments? If so will there be open spots for random no names to goto Korea and give it a shot still?
Edit,
Sorry about the bump >_<
Yes, there will be tournaments for:
High ladder players to move into A class
and
A class to move into S class
Also, remember the A class will have a LARGE foreigner membership... since well the best showing in the GSL 1 - 3 that were not the top 32 will be in A class...
So if you subtract how many players have been in multiple GSLs that are not in the top 32, there aren't that many really (who got to the R64) so I guess we will see who is and who isn't in A class...
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