You people should really stop using the term "cheese". It causes physical pain to read this. If you really want to talk about what you want to talk about then please please please PLEASE with cream on top just refer to early attacks as "rush", not "cheese".

ax125, cool down.

ALERT: GERMAN

ax125

Czech Republic2 Posts

December 16 2009 16:22 GMT

#43

And if my opinion was not stated clearly enough...Blizzard know a thing or two about the balance. Yes there were fails, but failure brings experience. Theyre playing this the safe way and every valuable RTS brings highest number of possible macro approaches-and to every one of them, there should be clear counter. More possibilities=harder to balance. Yeah bring the cheese on, but with that as well counter to oppose it.

...and if someone makes the mod? Hey why not? When it makes someone happy...

edit.

zatic-My cooling is online and just as fine as ever...

DyEnasTy

United States3720 Posts

December 16 2009 16:23 GMT

#44

On December 16 2009 16:55 rel wrote:
Sounds like you're trying to find ways to make SC2 more, excuse my french "pussy-fied". If you don't like to get cheesed learn how to scout and beat it.

Dunno whats with all these threads suggesting handicaps all of a sudden.

I dont support the handicap myself, but it is frustrating. On my only day on iccup I dealt with cheese attempts on more than half my games. It made it frustrating only because if they failed they would leave. Then, if I got to a game that went "standard" then I would have a difficult cause id be microing like crazy and unsure of myself in the late game.

Kim_Hyun_Han

706 Posts

December 16 2009 16:52 GMT

#45

i like it, what about a button you click in ur screen
and then it queue a pre-selected unit from all ur buildings and make them rally attack move to a pre-selected place the shortest possible way in a pre-selected formation?

TestSubject893

United States774 Posts

December 16 2009 17:15 GMT

#46

I think there is a lot to be learned from getting cheesed/rushed. In fact, I'd say its one of the times that I improved the most early on. Simply being in pressure situation where you are not already at a large disadvantage is a good experience for new players.

Plus, if you have any sort of long term view on your play (as in not only caring about win-loss for only the game you are playing right this second, but rather improving as a player and winning more overall), then getting cheesed has very few downsides. If you lose to cheese, then you learn a valuable lesson about what to watch out for in the future, and if you win, you get a great sense of satisfaction, knowing that some player didn't think that he'd be good enough to beat you standard.

On a side note: Is this topic really any different from the other one?

Gangrel

United States137 Posts

December 16 2009 17:33 GMT

#47

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Louder

United States2276 Posts

December 16 2009 18:16 GMT

#48

That's a horrific idea!

ZeroCartin

Costa Rica2390 Posts

December 16 2009 19:10 GMT

#49

-_- not another one of these threads...

-orb-

United States5770 Posts

December 16 2009 19:23 GMT

#50

On December 17 2009 00:38 Manit0u wrote:
Cheese is a perfectly viable strategy.

Edit:

@ -orb- : AMM = no more 'looking for a game' by your own. You won't be able to choose the map or the matchup in SC2 (a system which rewards good players).

that's only when you play on the actual ladder

it's not like every single game will be amm, then you wouldn't be able to play 2v2s and ums and stuff

Boundz(DarKo)

5311 Posts

December 16 2009 20:00 GMT

#51

NO WAY. Cheese is just something we made up that's gay to do. Everything should be possible at all times, that's why starcraft is wonderful.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

December 16 2009 22:22 GMT

#52

A decent implication would be something like "cannot build outside your natural until 2nd minute" and the mapmakers will always need to specify what the natural is. However, it's way too complicated and yeah hence this idea is bad. Although I think my idea is far better if it wasn't so hard to actually implement.

Archerofaiur

United States4101 Posts

December 16 2009 22:28 GMT

#53

Sadistx

Zimbabwe5568 Posts

December 16 2009 22:33 GMT

#54

Threads like these are why SC 2 beta needs to come very very soon. People need another form of entertainment aside from making terrible threads.

NiGoL

1868 Posts

December 16 2009 22:35 GMT

#55

On December 17 2009 07:33 Sadistx wrote:
Threads like these are why SC 2 beta needs to come very very soon. People need another form of entertainment aside from making terrible threads.

is that so? u sure?

TheAntZ

Israel6248 Posts

December 16 2009 22:42 GMT

#56

On December 16 2009 16:34 DN2perfectionGM wrote:
pls no rush t.t

Please just stop its getting pathetic

andiCR

Costa Rica2273 Posts

December 16 2009 22:49 GMT

#57

this idea is retarded

Ok, no gates at 9! perfect anticheese!!

Well how about cannon rush?

How about dt rush?

How about proxy 10/10 gate?

Dude, you cant remove the strategy element on strategy. Yes, believe it or not, "cheese" is a strategy, and a very risky one at that.

Go play NR20@Fastest please

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

December 16 2009 22:55 GMT

#58

nah it'll ruin the game. This feature would polarize the community

craaaaack

479 Posts

December 16 2009 23:20 GMT

#59

On December 17 2009 07:55 evanthebouncy! wrote:
nah it'll ruin the game. This feature would polarize the community

u gotta skate

DeCoup

Australia1933 Posts

December 17 2009 00:17 GMT

#60

On December 17 2009 04:23 -orb- wrote:

Show nested quote +

that's only when you play on the actual ladder

it's not like every single game will be amm, then you wouldn't be able to play 2v2s and ums and stuff

I think Manit0u was just clarifying what AMM means, and how this new system helps to support good players, as oppose to average players who are just good at a specific map/matchup.

From the Blizzcon b.net footage you can see that they actually do have ranked AMM 2vs2 etc aswell. You get a 'party rank', so if you play 2vs2 with 3 different friends you will have seperate rankings for each party. This helps to support play with good players as well as friends who are pretty crap.

You are correct tho, that AMM is not the only way to play. (These are assumpions based on Blizzard info) You can;
- quick match - anywhere from 1vs1 to 4vs4 - AMM - In 1vs1 the ladder is used
- quick match - other play modes including FFA - Not AMM
- Create lobby - Any game mode - Not AMM - Choose your own map
- Join game - Join a created lobby