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Night Two
There is a saying that all ponies go to heaven. Wait a minute, no there isn't.
hyshes the Townie has been lynched.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Night Two There is a saying that all ponies go to heaven. Wait a minute, no there isn't. hyshes the Townie has been lynched. We are working on finding a replacement for hacklebeast. You have 24 hours to submit your night actions. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
Ok guys i got the solution. After all it's a team game. Lynch me red: wohoo! scum kill green/blue: please promise me that you will lynch the obvious ones Then, when you have a total of 2 votes on you, still putting you behind Drem in number of votes, you post this and seal your fate: ##unvote drem ##vote hyshes I asked you multiple times to explain your case, and your first real explanation came 3 hours before the deadline, after your stupid martyrdom play, and too late to save you. Had you actually posted anything like that earlier on instead of your "self-sacrifice" there is a decent chance Drem would have been the one hanging in your place. I looked at the post history of both of you, figuring one of you was likely scum, and I came out with the conclusion that there was a stronger case for you than for Drem. You could have defended yourself. You could have explained yourself. Drem could have slipped up if the pressure stayed on him. At the very least we would have had a controversial vote where scum actually had to make a choice. As it is, they got the easy wagon to hop on. If you're going to play, play to win ffs. I seriously hope you get a ban for not playing toward your win condition. | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
I'm going to bed now, but I'll do my best to see what I can figure out from this mess when I return :-/ | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On November 04 2011 08:00 hyshes wrote: ## Why Taod is scum ## ###################### + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 07:28 Toadesstern wrote: Just to clear things up since you brought that statement last game too. Remember my summary last game? I defended you as well and said that I'm pretty sure you're town. Yeah I was a dt but I never checked you since I checked all 3 reds and still knew you where town. I just wanted to tell the other guy so because he might not find out himself. You told me that looks like scum too and I just got to disagree here. Right now I think you posting little is normal because I saw the last game while a few think it's scummy. A couple guys think I made a scummy post by telling dts not to look like dts and ciry said he doesn't think so, which is a defence for me as well and I haven't got something scummy from him until now. So I got to say that logic is flawed :p I still can't believe how that one guy thought I meant to make dts stand out of the crowd, looks a bit strange as if he wants to get town on someone, but that's just my opinion right now and I got to check what he posts the next couple days :p Ok and now I read that thing from chocolate as well. I want you to explain that. Why is it a fos on ciry. I could understand a fos on zanfa although I don't believe it's strange since it totally fits in his style. Well and ciry is the only guy who started a real discussion. Everyone spammed a bit to get something going at all an he went for real talks, like "explain your thoughts" and stuff and from what I see it looks like he is trying to get people to make quality posts rather than spam. Totally fits in his style as well. Go ahead, blame me for defending, which I still think is wrong at this point, but I want your explanation on this. We obviously got very little right now but given what we have there's definitly people around looking more scummy. I've marked a bit in red. Why the hell would you refer to another game? It's not because you were town in that one, you are in this one. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 08:26 Toadesstern wrote: Ok I still would like chocolate to explain why he got a fos on ciry. It might be right (I don't think we got a reason to think so but I won't say it's wrong on day 1 without information  ) but if I had to make a list of people from 1 to 12 where 1 is the guy I think is the most likely to be town and 12 the guy most likely to be mafia in my opinion I'd place ciry somewhere in those top 50% spots.I still think that this is strange. The only reason behind this, as far as I understood it, was ciry "defending" zanfa ? Also, keep in mind getting agressive is kind of a town tell. At least that's what happens to me. Just imagine you post something you think is ok or good, someone quotes it and makes it look like you're scum although you said something totally different, or at least wanted to do so. In that situation I WOULD probably be pissed. At least that's part of the "paranoid-answer" I did on page 9 when you guys asked me about the my post about dt or medics. I just did not think someone could interpretate it that way and thought it's clear and therefore I don't have to explain it. Turned out I was wrong. To sum it up: It might be something but I think it's more of a human nature thing getting into him. Let's face it, if someone accuses you to be mafia and you know yourself you're not the first thing you think is wtf is up with you dude, just reread what I posted. Also he did the exact same thing in the last game. He voted on day1 for me and switched later on his vote and only tried to make me talking. I think those people desperatly trying to point at someone telling us to vote for those guys look way more scummy right now, which is why I still want that explanation from choc. Thats an easy statement to try to convince people you are town. But its well hidden in a huge wall of text, so it does not stand out. Actually good play, but i found it. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and a final note about all those fos things. I still think we should go for a lurker on day-1 unless we got something that sounds scummy and until now I don't think we got something. If we lynch someone who's lurking we got a decent chance of hitting a mafia. Obiously not every mafia style involves lurking. But the two most important parts are (one already mentioned earlier): We force mafia into talking. That's not bad for mafia because of talking but because of talking a lot means a lot of chances of slipping. That's exactly what we want. The more mafia talks, the more likely we're to find something decent out of an analysis. Especially post death. For those who are reading the thread of the last game, take a look at my last post (for those who don't want to read the whole thing just read that one post): Klick me! Just take a look at my analysis. We had 1 guy who made a total of 2 (!) posts and thats all and those other 2 guys made pretty much no posts, as well and STILL we got a decent analysis out of me, not because of what they said but because of what dead, confirmed mafia said (pretty much everything I said about zanfas is stuff from dead mafias except for his one analysis). Just as an example how important this is. That way I at least knew zanfas was 99% town last game. A second point would be our town situation. Of course lynching a mafia is what we want but let's think about what happens if we turn out to lynch a town. If we end up killing a lurking town that's bad because we ended up killing a townie instead of a mafia but killing an active townie is just really bad because killing a townie sucks and on top of that we're destroying townsituation by killing those guys posting. At least as long as it's out of the blue like now. Nice idea.. select a lurker to get a free kill as mafia. And again, the refer to another game where he was town. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2011 17:31 Toadesstern wrote: Times mentioned in this thread from hosts are in TL-time I guess? So saying day will end 03:00 means 3:00 tl.time right? Since there's nothing else I'm guessing so but would like to get a yes on that Also, I'm voting for chocolate. I still think it's a bit strange but I don't like that fosing around like a mad man. Could have been someone else who did so. He just turned out to attack me and since I know I'm not mafia that does sound a bit strange to me :p I'm at university right now, will be back in 4 hours so maybe we got something out of this when I'm back. ##Vote Chocolate Trying to get an easy hit on a townie without proper argument. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 00:53 Toadesstern wrote: sadly noone made a statement about my vote ;( I actually did not want to vote for chocolate but I'd ve loved to see those reactions from people about that who are already suspicios. first of all Unvote## Chocolate What do you people think about hyshes and risk? Risk is the one I'd like to see make a couple posts since he basicly said nothing and I don't know anything about him. While hyshes... I don't know, could be anything :p Hit failed, next targets lining up. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 02:29 Toadesstern wrote: Ok I'm going with skrammen as well, we need to get a lynch and although I would have liked to get someone else I think going after him is fine, too. ##vote Skrammen Just to get this clear since at least I did not know last game: It's not a simple majority vote, we need 7 people to vote on someone or it's a no-lynch. Having 4 votes on someone and 8 votes spread out is not going to get the guy with 4 votes lynched. Ofc he's also a fine target for you. You don't care wich townie dies. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2011 02:03 Toadesstern wrote: the problem with 3 is that it would mean that we're not able to get more than 3 votes focussed on someone and I think that is very unlikely because that's 6 (!) guys who are spreading votes. Not the fact that town would be screwed if 3 (pretty much the same as 2) turns out to be true is the thing that makes it the easiest / most likely explanation. I don't know how you guys approach this game but I figured people know that we need to lynch people to get something going. I got to add that I probably forgot one solution. Maybe people didn't read the first post in this thread carefully and did not read my post about it pointing it out again: This game has no simple majority rule. Having 6 votes on Skrammen was not enough to get him lynched although he was the one with the most votes on the list. If there's a couple of people who did not know that for whatever reason, it would be another explanation for why we're not even able to lynch a townie (talking about scenario 2 and 3) because they thought 6 on Skrammen is already enough to get them lynched and no need to change votes. This has to be the biggest tell of all. Throwing numbers that mean nothing. There is no reason to assume that these 6 vote don't include the scums. It was day1 afterall. I assume you can find the rest yourself. 1) Because he said "everyone trying to befriend me got to be mafia". He said the same thing last game and it was wrong. I am not only showing him why this is wrong but also giving him an example of his flawed logic. That is why i mentioned the last game. Since he did not say what he thinks about the red line I'm not sure what he dislikes there. I just said that I'm gettin pissed if people think I'm scum although I'm town. Is that weird? 2) Well yeah. That's the point of this game after all. I was being targeted so I have to convince people I'm town in both scenarios: If I'm green I want to prevent a 100% townie lynch and want to lynch someone else, If I'm red I don't want to be lynched because I'm red. 3) Mafias wants to lurk. If they're able to lurk without being called out that's perfect for them because they can't make scumslips in the first place because they're not even talking. So it's about three major things: - I think it's more likely some mafias are amongst lurkers in a newb-game, also it's not mandatory - We makeing a statement "we don't want lurkers in here, start talking" which is bad for mafa. - lynching a lurker isn't that bad if he turned out to be green as lynching an active green player 4) That without context. Go ahead and search the thread. I stated that I never wanted to lynch choc, I just voted for him to get some information on hyshes and risk and people I was suspicious of. Like if they're following me or if they're trying to convice people to vote for choc for no reason and so on. 5) Yeah again, I'm trying to defend myself and build a case without going into emo-mode and just ragequit. So sure I'm trying to get people off of me. 6) Given how risk and you are playing town I'am maybe willing to believe that town isn't able to focus more than 3 votes on a guy and again we only got that lynch on you because mafia was helping. But I wasn't believing it at that point in time. To sum it up, imo we got kind of a mod-kill. No information here as he (willingly?) played anti-town by refusing to give us information and we lynched him for playing anti-town. I can't blame harb for going after him because if that's not allowed in the first place we won't find a mafia at all. Also I can't blame people on makeing pressure or jumping on the wagon once he pulled that emo. It's just like a modkill... The major point here is that we just can't people allow to unvote someone because the suspicious guy voted for himself. If we start with that behavior we can't lynch anyone because they will just not defend themselves, they will completly ignore the issue, vote for themselves and people have to withdraw their votes because of that. Therefore townsituation is screwed because we'd be a bunch of people starring at each without saying a word because ignoring the blame and voting yourself will be just fine as a defence. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
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Skrammen
Norway195 Posts
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
Removing the dead players from the list, we have this as the voting from day 1: Hacklebeast Chocolate Skrammen Zanfada Drem903 Skrammen Chocolate Ciryandor Toadesstern xsksc Zanfada HarbingerOfDoom Toadesstern hacklebeast IMABUNNEH This represents 7 town votes and 3 scum votes. Now, assuming scum wouldn't risk a chance of lynching another scum, this means we either had 6 of the 7 votes from surviving townies on Skrammen, or Skrammen is clean and had one or more scum votes for him. I think 1 or 2 scum votes on him is the most likely, as putting all 3 on him would have been incredibly risky play. From our day 2 voting, all we know is Ciry didn't make it back in time to do anything other than leave his vote on Drem, but I think we can safely eliminate the possibility that Ciry and Drem are both mafia, as Hyshes tried to suggest. Not much info, but perhaps worth considering. As for some other matters: Bunneh: I'm going to keep pestering you until you do post that analysis of me. Empty promises of analysis won't fly on my watch. Chocolate: Tomorrow evening I will try to compile a list of who everyone has accused/fosd to make it easier for us to identify who the mafia are, or at least who is ignoring who. Let's see it. Additionally, some actual analysis out of you would be most appreciated. What are your current scum reads? You said you thought Drem was almost certainly mafia but didn't vote for him. After the Hyshes ordeal, you vote for him with this as your explanation: The reason I'm picking on you is 1) you have the most votes and 2) you seem a little fishy, and that whole voting for yourself business was weird. I don't think I need to tell you that 1) There's a bandwagon on you and 2) You seem a bit suspicious isn't a great basis for a vote if that's really all you had against him. | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
Yes, that lynch gave us about as little info as possible, but that doesn't mean we should shut up and waste 24 hours of scum-hunting time. We have more to discuss now then we did when the game first started, and back then your opinion on that matter seemed a bit different: Please don't be afraid to post guys, if town is inactive it only helps scum lurk and get away with killing us all off. We do have to lynch someone today so please keep posting people! Here, I'll help you out and give you something to discuss. I think my scum list at the moment would be something like this Did you ever go back through and re-read/filter? If yes, did anything change? If not, why didn't you? What's your updated list now? Any changes besides removing Hyshes?1) Toad OR Skrammen 2) Drem 3) Hyshes or some random inactive like Hackle This list is definitely not set in stone, I only recently added drem to it and hyshes could probably be replaced by a lot of people I haven't properly looked at yet. Harbringers case is good, but it doesn't make me 100% feel hes scum. Will update when I've finished re-reading/filtering. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
As for my updated list, I still think either toad or skrammen is red. They can't BOTH be red because they went at each other pretty aggressively. Still got FOS on drem. I dont know who I'd replace hyshes with right now, I had my suspicions of zanfada day 1, so possibly him. I guess it depends who gets shot next, like I said, this lynch gives us almost nothing to work with :/ | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IvfDI.gif) Posts longer than 1 sentence made by people currently in the game, other than me, in the past 22 hours: 3 They are chocolate's voting post, toad's post lynch summary, and xsksc answering my questions. Do I have to individually ask you all questions to keep this thread from dying and to keep discussion going? If you're paying attention to the thread at all, and you want to help town win, CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING. Personally, I still don't have much of a read on Drem other than he is playing the newbie card pretty hard, nor do I have much on xsksc, chocolate, or, of course, hackle. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
It could be anything and whats most terrifying ist the fact that mafia probably voted for skrammen on day1. We got risk and hyshes killed and both were not voting for skrammen. However if I look at that voting list and just look at who voted for skrammen I'd say everyone but choc looks amazingly town to me. And choc isn't looking scummy to me, he's just a 0-read for me. I'm just shocked hyshes did turn out green I guess. I really though he's 99% mafia... | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
On October 31 2011 01:24 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: I don't see how toad telling people to be active even if they are blues is suspicious, it isn't like he said "dt's and medics should role-claim in the thread" or anything. He, like most of us, is simply trying to encourage activity from everyone. It also helps make it clear that you must contribute to scum-hunting as a blue if you don't want to be mistaken for scum yourself. And just to call someone out a bit, I believe Skrammen has actually said the least of anyone so far, with a total contribution of: Early thread, a defense of Toad, and poke at SKrammen. The few posts following this show a not-quite-but-kindof defense of the initial accusations at Toad, and continue aggression on SKrammen. Following them, a move onto Drem with some reasonable arguments: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2011 03:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: So while reviewing the voting and the resulting no-lynch, I noticed something very interesting from Drem: If you were very suspicious of both of them, why would you leave your vote on Zanfada? At the time of your voting, you had the option to make it 2 votes for Zanfada, or 4 votes for Skrammen. If your goal was to get scum lynched, and you were very suspicious of Skrammen, why place your vote in a way that greatly increases the odds of a no-lynch rather than nearly guaranteeing a lynch on Skrammen? I would also like a bit more from hyshes on why he voted Zanfada, considering his voting post was the following: Do you still think he is scum? Were you around at all after more votes were in? If so, what was your reasoning for leaving your vote on Zanfada, rather than switching it to Toad? Since the failed lynch you seem to be focusing more on Toad, but haven't really made a committal statement yet, do you believe Toad to be scum? I understand he may very well have been the person you were most suspicious of, but in the very post you used to place that vote you said you were very suspicious of Skrammen. My question was if you thought both were likely to be scum at the time, why would you vote in a manner that makes it less likely that either of them would get lynched? It isn't like you made an effort in your post to get people to switch from Skrammen to Zanfada to get him lynched instead, you simply said they were both very suspicious and placed your vote. Let's spell it out a bit: Suppose you think A and B are scummy. You think A is 60% to be scum, B is 80% to be scum. If you vote A, he will almost surely be lynched. If you vote B, there is a small chance A will be lynched, no chance B will be lynched, a large chance nobody will be lynched. How does the second choice ever make sense, unless you think A is likely to be town? I see nothing particularly wrong with these posts actually. Or anything so far. The posts have reasoned arguments, backed up by relevent posts. The next period doesn't need a quote tunnel. After risk turned up dead, there's a couple of extremely strong posts trying to assess who would want risk dead. Of biggest note to me at that time, was when I threw up suspicion purely because you were the only other person risk implicated that wasn't Toad, you gave a good honest reply that showed both your positive posts and the ones that could implicate, you in an attempt to help what I was looking for. You were right that you were a potential benefactor from his death, but at the same time so were both Toad and Skrammen, far more so than you. A hit might have been a "subtle" one coming from yourself, but far more likely that it was from elsewhere either looking to implicate one of the 2 of them, or actually from one of the 2 of them. Next posts of note I feel are the following: + Show Spoiler + xsksc, you've been pretty quiet, would you mind posting some of your thoughts/analysis? I pretty much have a null read on you currently. Ciryandor, I would also like to hear what your current thoughts are when you get the chance. You've posted today, but none of your usual analysis yet. @Skrammen Since you reappeared, I would like to reassert my earlier request; If you value your life, please make a post of the following: 1) At least 2, preferably 3 people you think are scum 2) Explanations and some analysis of why you think they are scum 3) At least 2, preferably more, people you think are town, excluding yourself 4) Explanations of why you think they are town 5) What you think the goal of the risk.nuke shooting was @hyshes Have you reconsidered your 3 scum picks yet? If Ciry and Drem are both scum, why would Ciry now be voting for and bringing intense scrutiny to Drem? Do you honestly think that mafia would be bussing one of their players on day 2? Drem, if you are still around, I would also like to know who are several people you think are likely to be town and why. These to me are very townie signs. It's like 6 posts or so in a row which are actively asking others questions, and trying to find out information. Someone that active in looking for information is someone committed to finding something out. The only 2 options are "Who are scum?" or "Who are blues so I can kill them?". The tone of the posts though strike me more as the first one. These are followed by the long post that first implicated hyshes. This is where it gets tricky for me. That post has perfect reasoning in it. After reading it, I had a similar sentiment that I hadn't shared about hyshes previously. And that's about when this whole game went tits up. Now that final direct assault on hyshes came after several lines of questioning, and most other people giving what appear to be satisfactory responses, so the aggression towards hyshes would not be unwarranted. His reaction certainly didn't help us, and after your original attack and his responses to it I was 100% certain he was scum as well. It's hard to express in words though how I don't understand his reasoning behind his actions. I DON'T think that Harbinger's original attack was unwarranted or unfounded though, so I don't read it as scum attacking someone for a lynch. That would be too obvious. My conclusion on Harbinger for the time being is Townie. Sorry it took so long to post this by the way, I know I missed when I insisted I'd have posted it by. So assuming I rule out Harbinger for the time being, we have to go back on what we had prior to the hyshes thing. In my mind it continues to be as follows: 1) Skrammen or Toad. Only 1, but almost certainly one. Otherwise I'll be a monkey's uncle and entirely thrown through a loop. 2) Drem. More to come on that, but he's been semi-active, and some dodgy posts. 3) No idea. Perhaps Chocolate? I'd have thought possibly hackle, but my real guess is that he was a townie who just lost interest from the start. I don't have a real lead on a 3rd at the moment though. 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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
People I think are town HoD Ciry People I like are mafia or seem scumish to me Toad – Every town that has died has problems him, it is hard to believe it is a coincidence. Defending the hyshes bandwagon Drem – for day 1 stupidness, but looking at his day 2 stuff I am getting more of a town vibe, still on my watch list though, the hysh bandwagon saved his life imo something to look into Skram – Still on my watch list from day one, he froze up underpreassure on day 1 and night 1. He didn’t really start posting again till the hysh bandwagon That being said these 3 as mafia makes no fucking sense to me and I made this list. I would like to hear more from chocolate IMABUNNEH, I just don’t have a good read on either of you two. | ||
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Zanfada
United States53 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Choc is still a 0-read for me and I don't know what to think about him. However the fact that risk and hyshes both did not vote for skrammen makes me think there's probably a bunch of mafia (that's right, at least 2!) on skrammen. also I don't joke with that monkey's uncle thingie. I'm glad I did not say that when we lynched hyshes 8( | ||
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Drem903
United States100 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
As it stands, I'll start off with some thoughts on the guys who were already pushed for over the last two days: Skrammen has managed to escape scrutiny after nearly getting lynched, but being away from the spotlight has not helped his posting much: + Show Spoiler [Skrammen accusing Zanfada of inactivity] + On November 02 2011 02:08 Skrammen wrote: Just stating the obvious. Why say I might red if I am scum? Well, if I was, would I tell you? Are you desperatly trying to find a reason to get me lynched, again? What about you. So far, the only thing you have done is come in, instigate somthing on someone else, defend yourself when you got under pressure only to disappear again. And here you are again. He's done the same thing as well, try to start suspicion on Zanfada on Night 1, hoping someone picks it up Day 2 and gets him as a vote-leader; then: + Show Spoiler [Comment on hyshes and Vote choice] + On November 03 2011 10:37 Skrammen wrote: @Toadsstern The reason for this is that at that point, bunneh and risk were defending me, and thus me flipping would be bad news for them. Perhaps pretty redundant but still true. So lets think about it. Risk turned out to be green. If I were a red, how would I benefit from his death? He blocked my lynch, and he seemed pretty adamant about my affiliations. Now that he's gone it might reinforce any suspicions you have of me or toad, which is exactly what the scum wants, they want either of us lynched on day 2. Your vote for Drem earlier was a vote for the sake of voting, nothing solid to go on. Your unvote was also on very poor grounds. What I do think of this situation is that me and toad are just two townies pointing fingers at each other. I've not removed you from my list of people to look at, but at this point in time, I do not think you are a scum. You're pointing fingers at basically everyone in this game, which is either poor mafia play or good townie play. At this point its obvious that either one of us is a scum, or none of us. Lets look at the votes from the previous day: + Show Spoiler + 1. risk.nuke Toadesstern 2. HarbingerOfDoom Skrammen 3. Toadesstern Skrammen 4. Zanfada Skrammen 5. xsksc Skrammen 6. Ciryandor Skrammen 7. hacklebeast toadesstern 8. Skrammen Chocolate 9. hyshes Zanfada 10. Drem903 Zanfada 11. IMABUNNEH Toadesstern 12. Chocolate Skrammen I do not think there would be more than 1 mafia voting for me. Risk voted Toadsstern and we know he turned out to be town. Hacklebeast also voted for him, and so did bunneh. But what if we consider hyshes and drem's vote on Zanfada to be a safe-vote, so to speak? Or do you think this is very poor mafia play? At this point im not sure, but im pointing my finger on drem. + Show Spoiler + the people i've accused genuinely accused: Zanfada (not great reasoning, but it was only my first day, and he just seemed suspicious), SKrammen, YOU, hackle, and Toad. If we say that he would not accuse a fellow mafia, there is stil chocolate, bunneh, hyshes, ciry, xskcx and HoD left. Now, I believe there is somthing there worth investigating. + Show Spoiler + Of those 5 Toad and SK are the one's i've been constant about, and toad is the only one to make any real accusations against me. Zanfada i hold no real suspicion of anymore. Why not vote me? Seems like an easy lynch. It would probably give you some answers, too. But you knew that I would flip green, and when that happened you do not want to be on the list as a scum. + Show Spoiler + 1) His posts are long when a simple reply could answer the question (disregarding his analysis post on risk). As scum he's using longer posts to try and cover all possible points that could indicate him to be Mafia. Yes, or perhaps his excuse is a valid one. I made a comment about time-zones and it nearly got me lynched. + Show Spoiler + 2) The only person who would benefit from Risk's death is Toad. Now, my earlier statement on that was it could be a Mafia ploy to distract us, but that would also be immediately obvious so it could be a double trick (kill risk to get suspicion on toad, but we realize that and stop focusing on toad, and then toad is mafia so it was just a convoluted trap that could work). At this point it just gets into an infinite chain of back and forth. Now this is interesting. You're right - it could be a double trick. Or a triple trick, or whatever. I think getting rid of risk is too obvious, and I dont think it would benefit him. Sometimes there is not a hidden meaning, and sometimes the most obvious answer is the right one. But we can not be 100% certain untill we get some lynching done. At this time, I believe Drem to be a valid lynch. Another day without a lynch is getting us nowhere. ## Vote Drem903 Why does he meekly follow my initial vote explanation and yet highlight hyshes' name on his list of people he wants to look at? Also, a few posts after this, HoD probably picked up on his comment and posted a good accusation versus hyshes, leading to his emo-bandwagon into suicide. However to his credit: + Show Spoiler [Explains the situation on Hyshes] + On November 04 2011 01:06 Skrammen wrote: 2) I dont have much to add to my previous post where I laid out some of my thoughts and voted for Drem. But I thought that both hyshes and Drem were mafias, but Hyshes voted Drem earlier. Now, this could be a ploy or one of them is green. If we do lynch Hyshes and he flips green, I will look even closer at Drem. As for Hyshes, I honestly dont have much to add to your thoughts regarding the matter. One thing is that he did not vote for the easy lynch, because being on the list when I flipped green would spell bad news for him. I think this is a pretty good scumtell. If he flips red we should pressure everyone else who did not vote for me hard, as there is likely to be scum among them. And I do not like one bit his defeatist attitude. If you are green and you do this, you are only hurting the town. 4) So far it seems to me that both Bunneh and Ciry are townies because they are both very pro-town. Stirring up discussions and the like. To be very honest - I have not looked as much from this angle, I've been pretty busy both defending myself and trying to discern who are scums. So, unless hyshes makes a solid defence for himself I guess im with the bandwagon. ## Unvote Drem903 ## Vote Hyshes He does expound why hyshes after HoD's accusation and blow-up is a good lynch target in the first place. One could easily say that the "after the fact" helps him in that respect though. I'll expect him to look at drem as well, after that statement he said, so if he doesn't, I think I can call him out on that. Otherwise he hasn't really explored everyone else when it comes to their reliability. Toadesstern, Drem903 and Zanfada posting nitpicks are to follow; but if I get to Day 3 (Saturday Noon to Monday Noon), I'll post on everyone's activity by that point, including myself. TL;DR? READ IT, we're going to lose to inactivity and not poking everyone. | ||
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