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On November 03 2011 22:52 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 22:16 hyshes wrote:
I'm not retarded, and this aint stupid play either. It's the only play i got left to have a possible chance on a town win. I'm just kinda hoping it will open your eyes. I'm just offering good working material here. for that purpose, i'm willing to do a sacrifice here.
After my action here it will be 6towns vs 3 mafia (assuming mafia kills a townie next night), so still a good majority for the town. Maybe if towns is lucky, it will be 7vs3.. if you flip green we know exactly nothing except for the fact that you've pulled an emo here. It's not like harbs red because he went for you. If that'd true EVERYONE has to be red in here because everyone once accused someone (I guess) If you flip red we know why you did it.
No emo here, just not up for your shitty logic.
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On November 03 2011 23:08 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 22:52 Toadesstern wrote:On November 03 2011 22:16 hyshes wrote:
I'm not retarded, and this aint stupid play either. It's the only play i got left to have a possible chance on a town win. I'm just kinda hoping it will open your eyes. I'm just offering good working material here. for that purpose, i'm willing to do a sacrifice here.
After my action here it will be 6towns vs 3 mafia (assuming mafia kills a townie next night), so still a good majority for the town. Maybe if towns is lucky, it will be 7vs3.. if you flip green we know exactly nothing except for the fact that you've pulled an emo here. It's not like harbs red because he went for you. If that'd true EVERYONE has to be red in here because everyone once accused someone (I guess) If you flip red we know why you did it. No emo here, just not up for your shitty logic.
what does town actually gain flip green? fuck all
what does mafia gain if you flip red? fuck all
it's your logic that's shitty here and whichever way you flip, its bad play
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On November 03 2011 12:37 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Drem, if you are still around, I would also like to know who are several people you think are likely to be town and why.
WHo i think are town (in no particular order), and would be genuinely surprised if they weren't:
Ciryandor - has been one of the main driving forces behind the SKrammen lynch. Although he was not the most active after day 1, almost everyone of his posts offered strong incite, and he provided evidence against everyone he accused. He's currently gunning for me yes, but i will admit i have not been the best at posting, and have not offered the greatest conviction.
Zanfada - I was suspicious of him on day 1, but that has since changed. I was nothing more than caught off guard by his eagerness to make a vote against someone. Since them he has given well thought out statements on who he thinks are scum, and his posts don't really look like scum posts. He doesn't post a lot, but his posts have always been to try and stir conversation, and he's constant in his convicitons.
HarbingerOfDoom - I had no feelings for or against you day 1. The only thing i observed was that you were one of the main proponents of the Lynch SKrammen group. Starting with day 2 though, on the other hand, you have definately been one of the most active people when it come to discussion, and are definately putting pressure on anyone who is suspicious even in the slightest.
The rest of the people, other than those i have already voiced opinions on as scum, i don't really have that much of a read on.
##unvote Chocolate
##vote hyshes
If hyshes is so eager to then we may as well grant him his wish. He was actively posting and trying to contibute, or at least look like he was contributing (the post accusing Ciry was out there, and Ciry is likely a major mafia target because he seems to be one of the more agressive townies). Additionally, the second a major case is brought against him he pretty much completely quits. That's either a townie who never gave a shit, or a mafia that panicked and couldn't think of a way to defend himself.
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Well, shit. Lots of stuff happened here while I was going about my day. Firstly, I will not block a lynch. Secondly, I noted my suspicion of him earlier, and I will come back with that post I promised. (Yes, I'm a slow writer)
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On November 03 2011 11:28 Skrammen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:09 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Skrammen
Since you reappeared, I would like to reassert my earlier request; If you value your life, please make a post of the following:
1) At least 2, preferably 3 people you think are scum
2) Explanations and some analysis of why you think they are scum
3) At least 2, preferably more, people you think are town, excluding yourself
4) Explanations of why you think they are town
5) What you think the goal of the risk.nuke shooting was I'm going to reply to this quickly for now, and I will come back with a more thorough respons once I get my sleep. I've been busy all day and its getting late over here. 1) At this point I think atleast Drem is a scum. Im suspicious of Hyshes and chocolate, but Toad is still on my radar. 3) I think Bunneh is a townie. Ciry seems pro-town and I havnt made my mind up about the rest of them, but im about 50-50 on Zanfada and yourself. 5) I believe the biggest reason for getting rid of risk is to get either me or toad lynched today. If I get lynched and flip green, toad is very very suspicious. If toad gets lynched and flips green then that would put pressure on me and those who pushed toad the most.
2) I dont have much to add to my previous post where I laid out some of my thoughts and voted for Drem. But I thought that both hyshes and Drem were mafias, but Hyshes voted Drem earlier. Now, this could be a ploy or one of them is green. If we do lynch Hyshes and he flips green, I will look even closer at Drem.
As for Hyshes, I honestly dont have much to add to your thoughts regarding the matter. One thing is that he did not vote for the easy lynch, because being on the list when I flipped green would spell bad news for him. I think this is a pretty good scumtell. If he flips red we should pressure everyone else who did not vote for me hard, as there is likely to be scum among them. And I do not like one bit his defeatist attitude. If you are green and you do this, you are only hurting the town.
4) So far it seems to me that both Bunneh and Ciry are townies because they are both very pro-town. Stirring up discussions and the like. To be very honest - I have not looked as much from this angle, I've been pretty busy both defending myself and trying to discern who are scums.
So, unless hyshes makes a solid defence for himself I guess im with the bandwagon.
## Unvote Drem903
## Vote Hyshes
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What in the... I cannot believe you are doing this to yourself hyshes, even in my drunken state (YEAH!); why you've made such an inane self-wagon on yourself. I'll read through each post since my last one when I'm more coherent and sober.
*I hate work, and it was a long weekend in the Philippines so I had a chance to be much more active on Day 1*
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Well, I was expecting to see some form of defense when I came back, not some dramatic martyring.
Also, Hyshes, I regret to inform you that from the rules:
4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
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On November 04 2011 02:22 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Well, I was expecting to see some form of defense when I came back, not some dramatic martyring.
Also, Hyshes, I regret to inform you that from the rules:
4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
##unvote hyshes
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that unvote isn't chaning a thing. You still tried (don't know if you knew about the rule or not) and if we now just stop voting for you we will establish a game were everyone who's accused to be mafia can just vote for himself, unvote himself later on and therefore we got to unvote you too? That's just still not makeing sense at all.
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On November 04 2011 02:41 Toadesstern wrote:
that unvote isn't chaning a thing. You still tried (don't know if you knew about the rule or not) and if we now just stop voting for you we will establish a game were everyone who's accused to be mafia can just vote for himself, unvote himself later on and therefore we got to unvote you too? That's just still not makeing sense at all.
I forgot about that rule, thats all.
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On November 03 2011 22:16 hyshes wrote:
I'm not retarded, and this aint stupid play either. It's the only play i got left to have a possible chance on a town win. I'm just kinda hoping it will open your eyes. I'm just offering good working material here. for that purpose, i'm willing to do a sacrifice here.
After my action here it will be 6towns vs 3 mafia (assuming mafia kills a townie next night), so still a good majority for the town. Maybe if towns is lucky, it will be 7vs3..
Sacrificing yourself just to show you're green doesn't seem like it helps the town all that much. The reason being, IF you were to flip up green, then it drops to a 7/3. The mafia then get to ping someone else (right?), making it 6/3. At 6/3 it's going to be a lot harder for us to get a solid lynch on a scum.
If you throw yourself to the lions and turn out green, we're going to have real problems. If what you say is ACTUALLY true, don't sacrifice yourself, because in doing so you're basically sacrificing the town. This is why I think you MUST be red. You're right that you're not retarded, which is why the only possible option is that you're red.
Also in your other posts you refused to defend yourself against "retarded" logic (think that's the right quote, or the gist of it). The posts made against you are pretty sound logically, and your attitude to the accusation is entirely illogical.
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Where is hacklebeast? He hasn't posted since his vote on Day 1.
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On November 04 2011 02:58 IMABUNNEH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 22:16 hyshes wrote:
I'm not retarded, and this aint stupid play either. It's the only play i got left to have a possible chance on a town win. I'm just kinda hoping it will open your eyes. I'm just offering good working material here. for that purpose, i'm willing to do a sacrifice here.
After my action here it will be 6towns vs 3 mafia (assuming mafia kills a townie next night), so still a good majority for the town. Maybe if towns is lucky, it will be 7vs3.. Sacrificing yourself just to show you're green doesn't seem like it helps the town all that much. The reason being, IF you were to flip up green, then it drops to a 7/3. The mafia then get to ping someone else (right?), making it 6/3. At 6/3 it's going to be a lot harder for us to get a solid lynch on a scum. If you throw yourself to the lions and turn out green, we're going to have real problems. If what you say is ACTUALLY true, don't sacrifice yourself, because in doing so you're basically sacrificing the town. This is why I think you MUST be red. You're right that you're not retarded, which is why the only possible option is that you're red. Also in your other posts you refused to defend yourself against "retarded" logic (think that's the right quote, or the gist of it). The posts made against you are pretty sound logically, and your attitude to the accusation is entirely illogical.
The retarted logic refers to toad's posts. HarbingerOfDoom's post does not make sense either, it's a wall of sh*t.
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I'm going to get lynched today, that's settled. Please lynch toad when i flip green the next day.
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On November 04 2011 03:03 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 02:58 IMABUNNEH wrote:On November 03 2011 22:16 hyshes wrote:
I'm not retarded, and this aint stupid play either. It's the only play i got left to have a possible chance on a town win. I'm just kinda hoping it will open your eyes. I'm just offering good working material here. for that purpose, i'm willing to do a sacrifice here.
After my action here it will be 6towns vs 3 mafia (assuming mafia kills a townie next night), so still a good majority for the town. Maybe if towns is lucky, it will be 7vs3.. Sacrificing yourself just to show you're green doesn't seem like it helps the town all that much. The reason being, IF you were to flip up green, then it drops to a 7/3. The mafia then get to ping someone else (right?), making it 6/3. At 6/3 it's going to be a lot harder for us to get a solid lynch on a scum. If you throw yourself to the lions and turn out green, we're going to have real problems. If what you say is ACTUALLY true, don't sacrifice yourself, because in doing so you're basically sacrificing the town. This is why I think you MUST be red. You're right that you're not retarded, which is why the only possible option is that you're red. Also in your other posts you refused to defend yourself against "retarded" logic (think that's the right quote, or the gist of it). The posts made against you are pretty sound logically, and your attitude to the accusation is entirely illogical. The retarted logic refers to toad's posts. HarbingerOfDoom's post does not make sense either, it's a wall of sh*t.
If you think its a wall of shit perhaps you could point out its flaws rather than give in
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On November 03 2011 19:38 hyshes wrote:
Actually, for me it's kinda obvious who the 4 (3scum + 1 detective) persons are who have extra information. Obviously I'm not gonna post the 4 names, since otherwise the 3 scum will kill the detective next night. What i will do is try to find in my list of 4 a certain scum and post this with a analysis.
Since you seem to want to quit and are committing suicide basically I would like you to expand more on this. Cause right now you seem to be making emotional pleas to get us not to lynch you. Honestly you were on my more likely scum list but without basically giving up it is hard to think of you as anything but scum and you are trying not to give any more info before you die. Please If you are green give us all the reads you have, it is important for town. You say you have 4 good reads and I really would like to hear them.
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On November 03 2011 00:04 hyshes wrote:
I jus reread the whole thread and i'm going to post a hard statement here.
Ciryandor - Toadesstern - Drem903
These 3 are referring to each other all the time, without direct accusations. This leaves me to think that they don't want eachother lynched.. but wan to have a backup of posts that do kinda disconnect them. There is something really fishy between those 3. I'm willing to go on a vote on one of these three for sure.
I have been rereading the thread I and the only connection I have been seeing between these three is when Ciry and Toad talk about the game all three of us were in before this one.
Even with all this evidence against you (from HoD's post) and your FOS Ciry he is still voying for Drem, which you said was his scum buddy... It just doesn't add up, please help us not vote for you, tell us your reads. Giving up like this is bullshit so until you have a good arguement you have my vote.
##vote hyshes
but that can easily be changed when you post your reads because this bandwagon formed rather fast which means you are either town or getting thrown under the bus by your scum buddies.
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this bandwagon did not form rather fast on itself. It did form rather fast because he voted for himself which is a no-go for a townie unless (maybe) if you already got a majority because that might be the only way to get out of it (although it's not allowed, has that rule been there for longer?^^).
He brought this on himself and we got little time left! Keep in mind it's 20:00 right now in europe and I have to wake up at 7:00 tomorrow so I won't stay until deadine for sure and I guess a lot of people are not going to do so as well.
That's why I said to get your votes faster than on day1. We had a big problem focusing our votes because of that issue.
If there's nothing that's changing my mind withing 2 hours I'm not going to change my vote because I have to go to bed at some time and we won't be able to get a lynch again.
And unlik Zanfa I'm not saying that changing my mind is easy. Given the fact that there's little time left I don't want to risk a no lynch again while he looks scummy as hell just because a couple of guys already went to bed or are away or whatever.
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@Toad
That rule was there from the start
@Hyshes
On the off chance you are town, please realize this play you are making is atrocious for town. If you somehow flip green it does nothing to strengthen your arguments. Being green does not make someone correct. If you want to convince people of something, do not martyr yourself, explain yourself. I was not the only one suspicious of you, and you certainly weren't making any town lists, but there was nobody voting for you until I presented my case against you. That is how you change people's opinions. The only reason to go down without a fight is to take information with you to the grave, and that is something only scum could want.
I was expecting to have a hard fought case against the people pushing for Drem to be lynched, especially since until his most recent post I had a largely null-read on him. I expected worst case scenario we have a very hotly contested vote, one of Drem or Hyshes is lynched, flips green. But, we then have a lot of information to work with from their defenses, and how and what people said while making their cases. Hopefully it would have been enough to narrow it down to something like 3 out of a group of 4 are scum. Best case scenario, Hyshes or Drem is lynched, flips red. Obviously I have a bias toward preferring to have Hyshes be the scum, but I'll certainly take a correct lynch over my own convictions being correct. Ideally the process exposes at least one other scum.
But...that's not what I got. I got Hyshes claiming to "sacrifice" himself for the sake of town, and his total defense is an emotional appeal and calling my case against him a "wall of shit". I think at this point it is clear that he is either
1) Scum
2) Town playing in a way that is highly beneficial to scum.
Since 2 is against the rule "play to win", I am stuck with my previous conclusion that he is scum.
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