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On March 13 2012 11:48 Curu wrote:
Yeah that's true Jackal, my dick is pretty huge.
The activity level in this game is pretty pathetic. Probably the worst I've ever played in. It's not even that we no lynched because people found other cases/other reads, we no lynched because only about 5 players in this game actually give a shit.
Do me a favour and shoot me if you're really Dreamflower Jackal. We can ride off into the sunset together.
Problem is you're giving a shit about the wrong person.
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Sorry I haven't been around, unexpected stuff happened today and I'm exhausted. I'm going to
##Vote Caller
because he claimed so support LAL, while coming up with bullshit reason to lynch Dr. H. He then turned around and claimed it was a ploy.
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On March 13 2012 11:56 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 11:48 Curu wrote:
Yeah that's true Jackal, my dick is pretty huge.
The activity level in this game is pretty pathetic. Probably the worst I've ever played in. It's not even that we no lynched because people found other cases/other reads, we no lynched because only about 5 players in this game actually give a shit.
Do me a favour and shoot me if you're really Dreamflower Jackal. We can ride off into the sunset together. Problem is you're giving a shit about the wrong person.
You're always on my mind baby.
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Yea I'm preparing to fly away in 2 days for a week and a half. Been trying to get ready for that. Sorry for the inactiveness.
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night night jub jubs ) : see ya tomorrow.
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Oh look. Team scum arrived.
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On February 15 2012 11:25 Toadesstern wrote:
I just realized I'm screwed no matter what:
If my shot tonight hits a mafia I have scientifically proven that my coin is better at scumhunting than I am.
If my shot tonight hits a townie I hit 3 townies in a row this game.
Not really sure what I want to happen.
Also, it's fucking boring at 3:23 am and I've got nothing to do but I at least want to tell you guys a sec before deadline who I shot in case he survives...
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vTjyb.png) Night 1
After much rancorous discussion, the jubjubs decided to all be friends, and kill nobody. Unfortunately, that meant there would be no food for tonight's feast.
Nobody has been lynched. It is now Night 1. You have 24 hours to turn in your night actions (due at 03:00 GMT (+00:00)).
On March 11 2012 13:25 ZBot wrote:Day 1 Vote Count
With 23 alive, its 12 to lynch Current votes: Jackal58 (7): prplhz, Curu, jaybrundage, Node, Mattchew, Caller, layabout, Abenson, - NodeNode (3): Jackal58, Kurumi, rgTheSchworzJitsu (3): Bill Murray, EchelonTee, Mattchew, Abenson, - Mattchew, DoctorHelvetica, - AbensonCaller (2): Jackal58, DoctorHelvetica, Bill Murray, - Bill Murray, VisceraEyes, - Jackal58, - DoctorHelvetica, Mr. WigglesBill Murray (2): Liquid`Sheth, gumshoeMattchew (1): layabout, - layabout, KatinaDoctorHelvetica (1): Pandainprplhz (1): JitsuLiquid`Sheth (1): Nodejaybrundage (0): layabout, - layaboutrgTheSchworz (0): jaybrundage, - jaybrundagegumshoe (0): Bill Murray, DoctorHelvetica, - DoctorHelvetica, - Bill MurrayNot voting: [UoN]Sentinel, deconduoThe Day deadline is at 2012-03-13 12:00:00. (It's over.)
As a note: [UoN]Sentinel voted for himself in the main thread, and deconduo voted for Caller in the main thread. These votes do not count, but both players have received warnings. Nobody is modkilled.
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Sorry about some unanswered questions:
On March 12 2012 07:16 Curu wrote:
Role Reverser: does this last only one cycle? Or for one action? Or is it permanent?
Hide Flip: Can this be used on lynch targets? Is there a period of time in which the target must die after use of the ability in order for his flip to be hidden or, once designated, does the target, regardless of whatever time they die, have their flip hidden no matter what?
Role Reverser lasts only one cycle.
Hide Flip has been changed, it hides all flips on one half cycle.
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So we could have become cannibals if we lynched someone? Well, that sucks.
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On March 13 2012 11:00 Node wrote:
I buy Jackal's roleclaim. I don't think it's too far-fetched to have a suicidal vigi in a normal game, and it supports the statement in the day 1 post that this game is themed around "choices". (that is to say, the choices we make have especially harsh consequences. like death.) It's also a role that makes sense in the context of a game where it's possible for the mafia to hide the alignment flip. More importantly, it's an easily verifiable claim -- were I mafia, it's a claim I sure as hell wouldn't make. You can say that's just WIFOM, but the point stands that it's hella easy for us to see whether or not Jackal is being truthful.
This is a bunch of blah blah for a small point. I don't really see much motivation for this post other than trying to look useful to the town. In reality it really doesn't contribute anything to the discussion other than more to read. From the way he is talking about roles it appears he has something hide or knows something about the game. He's not bringing anything new to the thread in any of his posts.
On March 13 2012 11:36 Node wrote:
Oh well, it might just be an empty gesture at this point, but I'm going to vote Sheth for not explaining his vote on BM and excessive lurking, especially after claiming he would be posting more today. Others are welcome to join me.
That's pretty ironic because his vote is just as empty as Sheth's. Node clearly does not care about the lynch because there wasn't any follow up or any effort to convince anyone else. It's just like his previous post where he wants to kill Jackal. Sure he speaks his thoughts but he isn't convincing anyone of anything he says. His apathy about the town is very noticeable.
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Palmar has replaced Pandain
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You're all JubJubs for not lynching Jackal58.
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Okay, I reread prplhz guys.
You can't see me, but I'm pursing my lips in disdain.
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Hey VisceraEyes how did you go from
On March 12 2012 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Don't worry everybody, I've arrived. The game can start now.
I'm reading through, but I can already tell that Caller is going to rub me the wrong way. I see we've moved past the LaL discussion, that's a plus.
At a glance I'd say I'm disinclined to vote Jackal today.
Further details to come. Just letting everyone know I'm here and that I'm lurking hard. Smooches.
"at a glance disinclined to vote for Jackal"
to
On March 13 2012 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Come on Jubjubs. COME ON. Get off Jackal and onto Caller. No-lynching is better than lynching town 100% of the time. I don't care what scum would have you believe. KILL THE SCUM! VOTE CALLER!
"Jackal is town"?
And how does stuff like
On March 13 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
This Jackal wagon is scum-infested. Everyone gtfo. Even if Jackal is scum, I bet there are scum on the wagon.
Everyone should be lynching Caller right now because he's manipulating the town.
"even if Jackal58 is scum you shouldn't vote for him because I think there might be other scum on the wagon" make any sense?
I have no idea why you are almost insisting on misunderstanding Caller's case. Caller implied that I was a good guy and that Jackal58 was a bad guy because of the way we called him out. I said twice that he should shape up or get lynched and that townies shouldn't go around doing secret plans. This is a very straight forward thing to say. Jackal58 is known for being straight forward. But he wasn't this straight forward. Instead Jackal58 was beating around the bush a bit and then he came out full force and voted for Caller after he saw that other people were on board too.
Caller has played mafia for a while and he knows that his DoctorHelvetica case wouldn't stick because it was horrible. Scum generally don't go about executing plans like these because they can so easily backfire. Look at how people are voting for Caller actually thinking that he was being serious about his DoctorHelvetica case, there's no reason for any scum to put himself in that position. Also, he might end up outing some of his scum buddies who town would expect to go for him when he does a silly thing like this.
You are saying that Caller is manipulating town but that's just empty talking. How is he manipulating who? He's not manipulating me I can tell you that. I arrived at my conclusions fully independently of what Caller said and if you think I'm town as you say in your post then you have to believe me and then you cannot say that Caller is manipulating anybody. It's just empty talking.
You also weren't around during deadline. You disappeared 7 hours before and then you didn't show up again until just now.
Your insistence on acting a lot dumber than you actually are makes me think that you are scum. You are also not acting in your usual inquiring and infinitely transparent way, even in the face of a relatively dead thread. I remember how you had like 50% of all the posts during one of the more inactive parts of Responsibility Mafia!. It's okay that you're not talking as much, but you're also not being very open and you're being obstructively dumb. I had your number in Responsibility Mafia!, in Hammer Mini Mafia, in Storm Mafia, I came around on you in Resistance 2, I don't really think you're being the usual town VisceraEyes right now.
I decided to give you some leeway early game because you were still in another game, but that's over now. Last time I decided to give you leeway was in Hammer Mini Mafia and I know I shouldn't do this.
It's quite hard to talk about why Jackal58 wasn't lynched, he was the most pushed lynch, he was a really good lynch, but people are being so inactive and indifferent that that might actually just be the reason. Town is pretty screwed if we can't even lynch Jackal58 off the work that Caller, Curu and partially I did. 20 players, 9 people ended up having votes placed on them and two people didn't vote. You guys should be ashamed of yourself.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 13 2012 06:53 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 06:51 Curu wrote:
I am looking at it this way:
If Jackal is Town and we leave him alive he basically has to shoot. And the probability is very high that he hits a Townie. So in this case we have dead Town Jackal, dead Town someone else, and a dead lynch target. No one to me looks obvious scum enough to warrant switching the lynch like this.
If Jackal is Town and we lynch him then we've lynched a Townie day 1. We end up with a net of dead Town Jackal and lose a substitute dead lynch target.
If Jackal is scum then yay.
I don't feel like there is another candidate I want to lynch bad enough to take the tradeoff of high probability 2 Townie deaths vs low probability scum hit in the event that Jackal is Town.
Yeah you guys go on about "omg we killed a blue" but look at what the blue does. IMO in this scenario mislynching a blue suicidal Vig is better for Town than mislynching a Vanilla Townie. This totally sounds like a post that someone who's sure enough someone is scum to lynch them posted.[/sarcasm] Notice how in this whole post, the only scenario in which Jackal is scum has six words and is buried in the rest of the bullshit. So what if there's only one line? If he is scum then YAY! Also, you'll have confirmed Caller, I'm already confirmed and Curu will also look very good.
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VisceraEyes Very Valid and Logical Lynch List
Caller
At first glance, you might think Caller is town simply because he's calling people out and gung-ho about every post. I'd like everyone to take into account that there are players here on TL that are capable of fearlessly posting regardless of their alignment or role.
That being said, I still feel strongly that Caller is scum manipulating town here. Going over his posts, I noticed a couple of themes:
1) Stifling discussion
2) Sowing insecurity/doubt
3) Lining up lynches
Just take a look at his first few posts, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Remember this post?
I'd like you to note a couple of things. First of all, please note the three bolded names. We've got Jackal, prplhz and Mr. Wiggles.
Jackal and Mr. Wiggles get at least mentioned - but I'm having a hard time seeing the point in bolding prplhz. The most odd thing is, if you go back and read prplhz' concern with Caller's case, it's exactly the same concern that Jackal had with Caller's case! I mean, prplhz is slightly more verbose, but the spirit of their argument is virtually identical - Caller's reason for choosing DocH is nonexistant, and his logic is terrible.
So why is prplhz not scummy for it but Jackal is? This is a question he's refused to answer in spite of being asked. As close as I can figure it, he has a problem with the fact that Jackal didn't use the word "retarded" in his post on the matter.
Anyway, he hardly mentions prplhz again in that post, in spite of his name being bolded. Mr. Wiggles at least gets an honorable mention at the bottom for "not wanting to offend anyone". I like Wiggles, he's a nice guy. He wouldn't want to offend anyone as town either sir...that's a null as fuck point on Wiggles. But don't worry - he's only automatically red if Jackal flips red....somehow. He doesn't really elaborate on why. Just kinda says it.
Caller is scum, and someone needs to be shooting the fuck out of him tonight.
prplhz
Oh, to be prplhz and scum. To be honest I thought he was town at first - but then I got around to his push on Jackal. But I'll get to that in a second.
First I want to talk about him calling out Caller. Now, Caller's case on DocH was scummy as fuck. It was baseless and made no fucking sense. Prplhz goes back and forth with Caller a couple of times, here are his posts.
On March 12 2012 03:40 prplhz wrote:@Mr. Wiggles What's your role mate? @Caller Excluding the "he used pro-town as the first player" argument, the only argument you have against DoctorHelvetica is that he's supposedly more scary as scum than as town. This is somewhat irrelevant unless we can't find anybody else who is scum + Show Spoiler +and you're not using "nash equilibrium" right, unless maybe you're using it make your case sound smarter than it actually is . It's self contradictory how you're saying "my job is to find scum and lynch them", and then you want to lynch a guy, not because he is scum but because in your opinion he's more scary as scum than as town. How does that make any sense? Why don't you want to lynch into Jitsu and gumshoe? You said at least one of them is scum, that's 50% chance to lynch scum just by dumb luck and a smart guy than you can probably increase those odds.
You should shape up or you are going to get lynched.
On March 12 2012 04:14 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 03:52 Caller wrote:On March 12 2012 03:40 prplhz wrote:@Mr. Wiggles What's your role mate? @Caller Excluding the "he used pro-town as the first player" argument, the only argument you have against DoctorHelvetica is that he's supposedly more scary as scum than as town. This is somewhat irrelevant unless we can't find anybody else who is scum + Show Spoiler +and you're not using "nash equilibrium" right, unless maybe you're using it make your case sound smarter than it actually is . It's self contradictory how you're saying "my job is to find scum and lynch them", and then you want to lynch a guy, not because he is scum but because in your opinion he's more scary as scum than as town. How does that make any sense? Why don't you want to lynch into Jitsu and gumshoe? You said at least one of them is scum, that's 50% chance to lynch scum just by dumb luck and a smart guy than you can probably increase those odds. You should shape up or you are going to get lynched. oh no no you have my argument wrong town mafia don't kill him: 0 -5 kill him: 0 5 as for the latter bit, if you can't see where i'm going with this there's no point in me continuing to explain. No, it's quite simple. You say that your job is to lynch mafia. You say that AT LEAST one out of Jitsu and gumshoe are mafia, that's at least 50% chance to hit scum if you just lynch blindly into them. You don't provide any argument as for why DoctorHelvetica is scum. This means that you don't have any reason to think that he's scum outside of the 5/23 chance that he's scum/traitor by dumb luck. Your little matrix is extremely naïve, borderline dumb. If you have some secret plan and you rely on all townies to let you go through with it without requiring you to explain yourself, then you are playing mafia wrong. You are a smart guy and you shouldn't be playing mafia wrong. I'm just saying that you need to shape up and if you don't shape up then you're going to get lynched. If you are going to shape up then cool, if not then we have a problem. Or well, at least you have a problem.
Note the bolded statements: they imply that prplhz thinks that Caller is acting scummy (if prplhz = town, and town lynch scum and Caller is scum then prplhz lynches Caller...simple). But here's prplhz' very next post.
On March 12 2012 08:06 prplhz wrote:Yea, I don't know about this jaybrundage lynch either. 1)I don't think Caller is a good lynch either. 2)The guy is being useless but 3)I don't think there's anything particularly scummy about the way he is doing it. Even in the face of a lot of townies disliking him he's not doing anything to stop this and 4)his lynch isn't really facing any resistance either. The only real resistance is the jaybrundage lynch which is quite bad, the guy isn't really acting scummy. He's putting himself out there with tons of dumb ideas and no fear at all and that's pretty townie. The Caller lynch seems like something that Jackal58 would oppose in his characteristic laconic, passive aggressive manner. Caller is being dumb but he's being blatant about it and there's nothing scummy about that and Jackal58 is usually one of the first to notice stuff like that. The fact that 5) I've been on board the Caller-is-scummy-idea since the beginning seems like something that would make a town Jackal58 think everything over twice. I'm pretty sure he thinks that I'm a horrible player who only does horrible things + Show Spoiler +. Instead he is pushing it in a very meek way with his "forgive me" and "sir". I think that Jackal58 is scum. ##Vote Jackal58
Let's take note of all the things prplhz says about Caller in this post.
1) bad lynch
2) useless
3) not scummy
4) no resistance to lynch (lol while resisting lynch)
5) scummy?
One of these things is not like the others - hilariously, that one thing is the the thing he was saying about Caller IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THIS POST. So which is it prplhz? Is Caller being dumb and useless, but townie? Or is he being maliciously dumb and useless because he's scum? Prplhz doesn't make mistakes like this as town.
Prplhz is scum and should be on our lynch docket tomorrow if he's not dead.
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prplhz, I don't care what you say from this point on - you're scum, so I'm really not concerned with how you think I look.
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Oh, and the jury's still out on Jackal - I just didn't want him lynched because you scummy bastards wanted him lynched. Maybe he's scum and you were gifting him to town for some of dat E-Z town-cred. I don't know yet, because you assholes were constantly attacking Jackal for literally no reason ALL DAY yesterday.
So I'm giving Jackal the benefit of the doubt - he has until the middle of tomorrow to blow my fucking mind with some uber-town scum-hunting. If he doesn't, I'll let you gift him to us tomorrow. But you're fucking next guys.
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And for the record, now that I'm done OWNING Storm, you can expect far fewer holes in my activity. Just fair warning.
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hey prplhz you should mason me.
If you've used both your mason things you should tell me who you used it on and why.
in addition, you should roleclaim to me, once you've masoned me.
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Don't mason with scum Palmar! SWRONGWITCHOOOO?
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