Patch 11-Phoenix:Did Blizz Fix Anything? - Page 22

On May 08 2010 11:05 Stopdroproll wrote:
Phoenix only hard counter Mutalisks really.

People have got to stop whining about animation cancelling. It's an RTS, not an arcade game. You're supposed to give simple commands to your units, and then they're supposed to carry them out to the limits of their capabilities. They're not supposed to gain new abilities like firing on the move when and only when you're actively controlling them with a high APM.

On May 09 2010 02:14 deadalnix wrote:


Maybe we can program an IA and look at it play play the game instead of us.

On May 09 2010 05:46 BanelingXD wrote:
After this last change I won't be buying the release.

On May 09 2010 00:22 TheDna wrote:
Yo i dont know where you come from but actually alot of very good poker players now came from sc:bw. Thinking while having a high apm and a very high awareness and feel is exactly what you need in bw and poker.
If sc2 comes anywhere close to poker or bw it would be pretty good.

On May 08 2010 23:01 Funchucks wrote:
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On May 08 2010 23:01 Funchucks wrote:
This is one of the best design decisions so far in SC2. Next they need to extend this mechanic to other units, not necessarily allowing them to fire while moving, but to be able to stop and fire on their own as often as possible while continuing to move toward a chosen destination between shots. They could, for example, easily make this "shoot and move" the meaning of "Patrol", which is a pretty worthless movement command as it stands.

People have got to stop whining about animation cancelling. It's an RTS, not an arcade game. You're supposed to give simple commands to your units, and then they're supposed to carry them out to the limits of their capabilities. They're not supposed to gain new abilities like firing on the move when and only when you're actively controlling them with a high APM.

If nothing else, achieving moving shot through animation cancelling makes the game extremely lag sensitive, which introduces too much inconsistency and luck-factor into internet play.

Starcraft 2 is not Starcraft. It's not about slavishly reproducing the bugs and unanticipated mechanical exploits that dominated Starcraft play and made it effectively a different game than the people at Blizzard intended to construct. It's a modern game for the modern market.

The competitive Starcraft scene showed us a much better, more exciting, more dynamic game than the way Starcraft plays at low skill levels. If Blizzard is smart, they're trying to enable that kind of gameplay for low-skilled players, rather than keeping casual players so bogged down by the mechanics of accomplishing simple things that they have no attention to spare for things like strategy.

Fun and interesting skill are not about mindless click chores to accomplish things that the game could do fine without arbitrarily requiring you to press buttons. Nobody is impressed by your ability to alternately press two buttons. Somebody who invests his time in developing such chores to the level of automatic reflex is naturally going to be looked down on as a nerd, which is the real reason for the general failure of e-sports to be taken seriously when things like competitive chess and even poker are respected: most of the "skill" involved is purely mechanical (not in an admirable athletic way, but in operating what is basically mundane office equipment), and it's a little sad that anyone would invest their time in developing it.

E-sports are going to remain a laughable little niche until some games come out where victory is based on abilities that people can actually respect, with no ridiculous prerequisites such as having the carpal-tunnel resistance of a teenage boy. "Mouse athletics" impress no one.

Games need efficient interfaces, not deliberately inefficient ones, or the skill requirements become so arbitrary and artificial that nobody will respect them.

This is a step in the right direction for Starcraft 2, and for the future of e-sports.

On May 09 2010 06:08 Sandrosuperstar wrote:
How does corruptor manage against the phoenix now?

On May 08 2010 13:30 PJA wrote:
People need to chill out about how this is destroying micro or doesn't require micro, etc. etc. It's a new ability that a unit can have, deal with it. If phoenix are OP they can always nerf the range or damage or whatever, but I doubt it will be necessary.

EDIT: Also, I doubt that blizzard misunderstood what people meant by moving shot. More likely they just thought that giving the phoenix its moving shot would be a cool addition to the game, and perhaps the idea was inspired by people talking about "moving shot."

On May 08 2010 23:01 Funchucks wrote:
E-sports are going to remain a laughable little niche until some games come out where victory is based on abilities that people can actually respect, with no ridiculous prerequisites such as having the carpal-tunnel resistance of a teenage boy. "Mouse athletics" impress no one.

There are many reasons to explain that, one of which could be that those players invested too much on gaming, didn't take a degree in something usefull and are now bound to make money somehow. Gaming is totally useless for work purposes. People that were playing 8 h per day when they should be studying will have a harder time than your average young adult when their parents' money stops coming in.